Did you take 50 ml or 50 mg?
With the standard concentration of 10mg/ml, 50 ml would be 500mg..
Ganjcat is in the UK. Methadone in the UK is dosed at 1mg/ml, which is far more sensible imo...
@Ganjcat the blocking effects of methadone are reportedly only significant above 80mg, so you'll probably feel it.
But as you know, you shouldn't really be using on top :D
I remember being in the hospital with Hep B, and the methadone in there was pink.Ganjcat is in the UK. Methadone in the UK is dosed at 1mg/ml, which is far more sensible imo...
@Ganjcat the blocking effects of methadone are reportedly only significant above 80mg, so you'll probably feel it.
But as you know, you shouldn't really be using on top :D
I didn't know methodone blocked heroin, that's mad, I thought only naltrexone did that, I dabbled with heroin when I first went on methodone it worked from what I remember but it was so long ago, but I don't remember it not working
It's was one of methadone's biggest criticisms in the UK in the late 90s and early 2000s that the vast majority of methadone users were just using methadone as a 'fall back on' for when they couldn't get heroin.Methadone doesn't block heroin in the same way.
It only blocks it if it affects you enough as to make it not enjoyable.
Like, if you have a big shot of heroin, and then another shot, that second shot won't be anything like as enjoyable, because you're already under the effects of the first shot.
That's kinda how methadone blocks heroin. But if you're either tolerant to methadone, or you haven't taken that much, or it's been hours and it's worn off enough, it won't block anything.
It's was one of methadone's biggest criticisms in the UK in the late 90s and early 2000s that the vast majority of methadone users were just using methadone as a 'fall back on' for when they couldn't get heroin.
Most of my friends that were on the gear and meth would be at the chemist at 9 am, 50ml of methadone drank, wait until they weren't rattling any more, then go out grafting to make money to score gear.
It's a stronger opiate as well, so you can have your 50ml a day and IV or smoke a tenner bag or two, get high as fuck, and your 50ml the next day will take away the WDs from your daily meth and a tenner bag (or two) no problem.
From personal experience, you can get high on gear while on meth, and if you keep the heroin amount under half a gram (I'd say about .3 to be safe) your methadone keeps that horrible cold turkey at bay.
Couldn't agree more. I've had more than one friend who was kicked off their methadone script by an overzealous Dr who wouldn't give an inch regards positive tests.Yes generally it's been my experience as well that methadone has to be having a very strong effect to block heroin. And even then it's only partially blocked.
Essentially, I very much doubt heroin would have done much when I first got on methadone once I got up to about 60mg. But over time my tolerance to methadone grew and it became entirely possible to use heroin and have it work while on methadone.
As for the methadone nay sayers. Fuck them. The statistics are indisputable. Methadone saves lives. It's just some assholes can't stand the idea that addicts might still be getting high. They have it in what they call a brain that the goal is to stop addicts getting high, rather than to improve their health and social functioning.
Fortunately the data is very clear and the medical community has well established that opioid substitution works better than just about anything else at saving lives, reducing crime and improving health.
Couldn't agree more. I've had more than one friend who was kicked off their methadone script by an overzealous Dr who wouldn't give an inch regards positive tests.
I've had friends who had a couple of positives and their Dr has said "come on, play the game. Gonna have to give you the boot if you don't follow the script" and those friends have gone on to get clean and never used again.
Some of those friends I mentioned before who have had one positive and been kicked off went on to die of overdoses. Never given one chance by the so-called "firm but fair" rules.
Sure they took the drugs, but those same friends would have had every chance to be alive to this day had they been given just a tad of humanity.
So I couldn't agree with you more.
Personally, I got down to 20ml and couldn't shake it from there.
When I came off the methadone/heroin it was with help from a compassionate Dr who gave me dihydrocodeine 240mg a day for a week then dropped me by 30mg a week for the first month, then 15mg a week until I was on 8 D-codeine and paracetamol 10/500 a day then dropped those by one a day until they were gone.
That's what worked for me but everyone is different, so quite rightly "fuck the naysayers" how dare anyone have the cheek to tell someone they don't deserve/will stick to a program just because they are morally against it.
Methadone saves lives when used properly.
I'm not sure how it works here in the UK now. Back then (late 90s early 00s) there were only registered methadone Dr's who could prescribe these huge blue prescriptions (which in itself was for no other reason than to embarrass you when you walked into the chemist).Fortunately where I live generally it doesn't matter how many positive drug tests you get.
I'm actually not drug tested at all, haven't been in nearly 4 years. I used to go to a public clinic though and they randomly tested us every month. I went there for the better part of a year though and not once did I come back clean. They never kicked me off.
Australia's a good place to be addicted to heroin all in all.
I'm not sure how it works here in the UK now. Back then (late 90s early 00s) there were only registered methadone Dr's who could prescribe these huge blue prescriptions (which in itself was for no other reason than to embarrass you when you walked into the chemist).
Was the pink solution pre-bottled? Every clinic I've been to (I'm in the US) has the pump that dispenses methadone and they mix the green stuff in with it. One clinic in the south didn't have pumps, they had shelves upon shelves of bottles, with pink liquid inside, all labeled with different mg amounts. Whatever your dose was they would find a bottle with that amount and give it to you to take. I swear that methadone was stronger too.I remember being in the hospital with Hep B, and the methadone in there was pink.
As opposed to green, which it is everywhere else in the UK.
I was down to 28ml when they asked me if I was on methadone but I lied and said I was still stabilising at 50ml.
They gave me 50ml and I got such a kick out of it but it turns out they were using a 2mg/1ml solution which is why it was pink.
To this day I have no idea if it was an error, or a policy of that ward, or just a standard solution for in-patients but f**k me it got me as high as it's possible on methadone.
The old blue prescriptions were over 20 years ago. Nowadays, there aren't many prescriptions given out for anything.Interesting. Here I don't get given a prescription at all. I mean it gets written. I've seen it written. And it is a unique prescription form specially for the opioid treatment program (actually it's both a prescription and a dosing calendar). But I don't get given it, it's faxed and then mailed to the pharmacy.
No idea. They just brought it to me in a little 60ml lid with 50ml of the pink stuff inside it.Was the pink solution pre-bottled? Every clinic I've been to (I'm in the US) has the pump that dispenses methadone and they mix the green stuff in with it. One clinic in the south didn't have pumps, they had shelves upon shelves of bottles, with pink liquid inside, all labeled with different mg amounts. Whatever your dose was they would find a bottle with that amount and give it to you to take. I swear that methadone was stronger too.