Opioids Buprenorphine - Possibly the MOST Euphoric of all opiates?

[hydr0m0rph]

Until yesterday, I had been completely free of all opiates for 46 days.
I had been a long time addict and finally was able to get clean. But I have been suffering some pretty bad PAWS. Very low energy, insomnia, fatigue, no motivation, etc.
So I finally was able to obtain some subutex. I was expecting that it would make me feel normal again, increase my energy levels, maybe help me sleep, etc.
I should say in my 10 year addiction I have used pretty much every opiate / opiod that exists.

So I snorted about 1mg of bupe, hoping for some relief from my PAWS.

I was very suprised when, after an hour, I noticed my eyelids were heavy, I felt a warm wave rush thru my body. It was almost too intense, a classic opiate warmth and heaviness that was quite pleasant. so I laid down on my bed.. The next 4 hours, were I believe, the best opiate experience I have ever felt. It peaked about 3 hours in, a feeling I can hardly put into words. It was as intense as an MDMA high, maybe moreso. I was floating in a sea of heaven.. waves of euphoria rushing thru my entire body, no pain, no anxiety or depression existed. I don't remember an experience anything close to this in all my addicted years. Words really dont do it justice.. it was the most perfect feeling I have ever experienced, from ANY drug.

So, I conclude, Bupe may be the most euphoric opiate there is, for someone with little or no tolerance, at the right dosage.

Anyone experienced anything like this?

Was it just due to my particular situation?

 

[shadowstryker]

I've honestly never gotten any euphoria from opiates at all aside from an ever so small euohoric feeling from heroin that I got tonight (also my first use of heroin, though). My experience in opiates doenst contain a large variety though, and I've yet to get MDMA so who knows. Hopefully someone else who has used bupe will come by and fill us in with their experience.

 

[pbuilder]

I hope this high wasn't enough to get your brain mentally readdicted, and the high chase beginning again.

It was likely so euphoric because you were cold turkey clean for so long, so any opiate in this circumstance would have been amazing.

I'm sure a shot of h would have been orgasmic.

Buprenorphine is a potent and powerful opiod though, so it would make sense when clean for a while that it would provide a nice solid high. I think it's like 40x as potent as morphine if i remember correctly.

 

[belfort]

If u were looking just to get rid of paws you wouldn't have snorted it..bottom line u were looking to get high..oh well though I don't blame u..I've heard good things about bupenorphine..so what are u going to do now?keep snorting the sub or find a better way to deal with paws?

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

Welp, I wouldn't exactly call buprenorphine "the most euphoric of all opioids" BUT at the same time I completely agree that it can be a great high for someone with little to no tolerance, speaking from experience.
In fact, when I started to get into opioid drugs I experimented with both methadone and buprenorphine in the beginning. My first opioid high was methadone, I liked it so I kept taking it every once in a while (like once a month).

So one saturday I went on my way to buy some methadone, turns out the hobo I used to buy it from already sold it all to buy heroin or something and he points me to one of his fellow mates that had some subutex (buprenorphine pill) to sell.
I more or less knew what buprenorphine was so I happily purchased the 2 mg pill.

After some research on the internet I figured that 1 mg was a good dose for someone with no tolerance, so I split the pill with my buddy, we both crushed our half and proceeded to snort it.

I vividly remember the high creeping on me after about half an hour of waiting, at the very beginning of the come up I recall feeling some sort of alcohol-like headrush that very rapidly turned into a pleasurable warm and cozy feeling expanding from my belly, spreading to my whole body.

Of course I was fucking loving it already, a feeling of total comfort and warmth like I had never felt in my life. My methadone experiences were nothing compared to this, and I already had a new favorite, but then something almost magical happened.

We moved from my friend's bedroom to his living room where we sat on his comfortable couch, and I decided I wanted to try something that maybe could enhance that already amazing experience.
I assumed the most comfortable position I could, put my headphones on and started playing the album In Absentia by Porcupine Tree, eyes closed of course.

What happened after that was simply one of the best opioid experience I've ever had (and one of my best highs in general).
For the first time in my life I began to nod pretty hard, while listening to one of the most beautiful albums in existence and it was just pure BLISS.
It was as if every atom in my body was made of euphoria and pleasure, while every note and sound of the majestic prog rock I was listening to would gently caress my whole being with peace and joy. It was like that album was made for that kind of high, it was just the perfect choice for that particular experience and it certainly made the whole thing a lot better.
Not a problem, not a worry existed in my mind, only the semi-conscious dream world of the mythical nod-land, where I was free to roam while my body just sat there, experiencing beauty and bliss.

So yeah it felt pretty good.

But is it because bupe is the most euphoric of all the opioids? Nah, I don't think so. Yes, the nod can be pretty damn euphoric if you hit the perfect dose and have no tolerance to opioids, and also in my case the music I was listening to, the fact that it was my first time nodding and the excitement/novelty of trying a new substance (which I found to be way better than my previous go-to opioid) honestly added quite a lot to the whole thing, imho.

Also after that I started taking bupe recreationally instead of methadone, and needless to say I never got to experience such a beautiful nod again, instead tolerance rose quite fast and after a while I had to snort enormous quantities of powder (All that shitty filler I had to put in my nose.. And loads of crappy tasting drip.. ew) just to get a mediocre high. Mind you I wasn't even using daily, not even close to that.
If you want to keep the high satisfying you have to keep a lot of time in-between uses.

But yeah, bupe can be a pretty good recreational opioid in my opinion if you space your uses out and dose right, it's also cheap as hell, has a good safety profile, lasts a lot and doesn't really give me cravings or at least not nearly as bad as heroin.

I would suggest bupe any fucking day of the week over pretty much any other strong opioid to anyone looking to be a "chipper" to be honest.
As I said it certainly isn't the best or the most euphoric high out there, but you know what? I wouldn't really recommend getting into that sort of super-euphoric opioid high in the first place. That usually leads to... Rather dark places.

Be safe folks

 

[JM357]

I think that what was said above was true: due to your time cold turkey probably just about any opioid would be amazing. I remember the one time I got clean for a while without using maintenance of some sort or being in prison (and in prison I still used, just not nearly as frequently due to price, availability, etc.- I have known people who had actual habits in prison but they either would have had to have A LOT of money on the outside (as opioids probably cost 5-10x the street price inside) or be very high up in the prison structure (I was well liked and never really felt in physical danger, but was not one of the guys that ran the block or anything)) I went to the ER to have a pilonidal abscess checked out (and a pilonidal abscess is not one you get from injecting for people who are not familiar with it) after having taken no opioids for 9 months (was just on adderall for ADHD and smoking weed). They ended up cutting the abscess, and did know about my history of addiction (at least I think they did- I had been to that ER before to be checked out before going to a detox), but since it was essentially acute trauma in a vulnerable spot (a minor surgery right on the tailbone- I find pain that takes place due to trauma not on the limbs to be much worse than say when I had surgery on my hand) they ended up prescribing perc 5x325s (which was probably pretty appropriate). They gave me the first dose in the hospital, 2 (so 10mgs of oxycodone) and I felt AMAZING (like literally almost the level of euphoria of shooting H and for about an hour at which point it became a nod) even though I was also in pain (it worked extremely well for the pain too). Point being, most of us would think of 10mgs of oxycodone as useless to anyone with any level of tolerance, but after having nothing for 9 months it was actually better than before I had ever used anything.

Bupe is pretty euphoric though IMHO in people that have low/no tolerance and at a low dose (1-2mgs for some, but I've seen people have a really good time off 0.5mgs). In my state's prison it is the most commonly used drug by far. Reason being the high cost of drugs making it very expensive to do most things (H is somewhat available). The subs are much more expensive as well, but people sell 1/4s and sometimes 1/8s of a pill so it is still pretty affordable and cheap enough that people can trade commissary for it as opposed to doing an outside money transfer (which is how more major deals are done- they buyer has a family member of theirs send a MG/WU to a family member of the seller- then they get the numbers and give them to the seller who checks them (sometimes the drugs are given right away, before the money has cleared, sometimes not till after- but if they do it before, and they only do so if they know and trust the buyer, and it doesn't happen....big problems...). Literally I would say bupe now makes up 70-80% of drug transactions in the prison, weed most of the rest, and H is available but very expensive (this is not including the MScontins which are prescribed by the pain management specialist at the prison (due to the fact that there is a pain management specialist who goes to the prison to see patients, and that working in a prison he obviously has to be willing to work with addicts I think it is actually easier to get on pain management in there than on the outside- but unless the inmate is in the infirmary (which is what happens with acute trauma, cancer patients who are bad off, terminally ill, etc.) they are only allowed to give hydrocodone/apap or morphine (I think due to cost) and the dosing is obviously highly monitored (a CO watches the patient take their pill, checks their mouth after, etc. and I can't really blame them, but there are inmates who can get the pill in their throat and then cough it up when they walk away- they started to crush up medications and mix them with water (which they did with my gabapentin) to avoid diversion but obviously they couldn't do that with MScontins). So bupe was huge in the prison (also people tend to not really have tolerances even if they are addicts b/c usually you can't get it everyday).

 

[shadowstryker]

I guess I can see the intended euphoria being due to your tolerance break/time clean as well. I have experience to a lesser extent, but if I went longer than a couple weeks without using and then started again I'd definitely feel a better/more intense high the first time starting up again. I can only in imagine how much that would be intensified during am even longer break.

 

[fuzzydoodle]

I was on suboxone for almost a year, taken as prescribed sublingual, for IV heroin addiction. I never got high from them just normal. However, about 2 weeks ago, i injected about 3mg of sub and was not at all expecting the high I got. I could barely keep my eyes open, I had that lovely and raspy opiate voice, I was nice and warm, and it was very euphoric.

Needless to say i was pleasantly surprised because i have plenty of experience with suboxone, but I guess the IV ROA with sub causes drastically different effects.

On a side note, I know it is not in my best interest to inject subs but in this case I went to buy dope and my dude accidentally gave me the wrong bag so I got crack instead. So in that situation I was like fuck it and did the sub. The only time I've injected suboxone.

 

[Methacodone]

Not even CLOSE (imo)!

The most euphoric opiates I tried,

1. Oxymorphone, IV, Snort, Oral
2. Oxycodone, IV, Oral, Snort, Smoke
3. Methadone, IV, Oral
4. Hydromorphone, IV
5. Morphine, IV
6. Hydrocodone, Oral
7. Codeine/Promethazine 'LEAN', Mix with sprite and 5 to 6 jolly ranchers, and drink!
8. Buperenorphine, subL
9. Tramadol, Oral

I've tried Buperenorphine just once, 8mg.
Because I wasn't on Methadone and was in SEVERE withdrawal from Heroin.
So a buddy of mine hooked me up with a free 8mg subutex, took it.
My withdrawal was completely gone, but that's it.
No euphoria, but it sure did the job by making me well and not be sick.

 

[JM357]

You can't really compare bupe when having a tolerance/dependence to when not. When I was incarcerated and would get 1/4 (2mgs) it was pretty euphoric (I remember taking them once and walking around with a cleaning cart and starting an in prison business of cleaning people's cells for $$$ because I felt so good, lol) and I saw people have a good response to as little as 0.5mgs (the common dose in there I would say is 1mg- always sniffed or IVed (one of the infirmary workers somehow was able to steal boxes of 100x IU 100s)). Under the same conditions though I like getting the 30mg MScontins more though (but they were more expensive and don't last as long). I also take them for maintenence and no don't feel anything in that situation.

 

[burn out]

Bupe is a great "one off" experience, meaning that yes if no opiate tolerance I think bupe actually might be more enjoyable than heroin. The reason for this is when you have no tolerance or very low tolerance like after 46 day clean, and you do a bunch of heroin, the sedation/nod is so strong I think it takes away from the euphoric, mood elevated effects. I mean you can't be in a super great happy mood while at the same time being almost in a stupor.

The reason that heroin is so much more desirable than bupe recreationally though, is because the bupe half life is so long that after a few days youre not going to be able to get high off it anymore because your receptors will be full. Heroin on the other hand, you get can high on it in the morning and then get high again later that day and so on as long as you have supply.

 

[tacodude]

I will put it like this with oc as first example then hc compared to OC. OC I can IV 60 with no rush or even creeper just relief, a couple days later rail 15 mg and nod, and then a couple days after IV 90 mg with a little bit of rush and creeper yet not much more than 60 while the 15 mg rail was just strong.... So ime oc is stronger nasally than IV in term of nod factor. Now oc usually is not sedating or stimulating just disorirnting in a way that prevents sleep, but not day to day functioning yet hydrocodone 10 mg oral can knock me out, but my tollerance usually requires 20 for 4-6 hour relief where less was barely any relief no longer than an hour.

Opiates are unpredictable even in purity.

 

[burn out]

i also find hydrocodone to be one of the most enjoyable opiates, i like a high dose of hydrocodone more than heroin in some respects. it gives me the warm fuzzies and lasts a long time. the problem with IV heroin is you feel great when the rush comes but its all downhill following. i really like the oral route with opiates, the high builds, peaks and platuoes (sp). i honestly think oral is the best for an overall good experience. problem is i like the iv heroin rush so much that i would always pick that if given the choice, even if it means sacraficing a longer more solid high later.

 

[namnoc16]

I hope this high wasn't enough to get your brain mentally readdicted, and the high chase beginning again.

It was likely so euphoric because you were cold turkey clean for so long, so any opiate in this circumstance would have been amazing.

I'm sure a shot of h would have been orgasmic.


Buprenorphine is a potent and powerful opiod though, so it would make sense when clean for a while that it would provide a nice solid high. I think it's like 40x as potent as morphine if i remember correctly.

I agree with him 100% you probably would have been ecstatic drinking poppy tea. The bit of clean time made the high seem that much more enjoyable but I bet by day 2 or 3 you will come down to earth and realize uh oh I'm back on the tread mill of addiction again. Also you stabilize on bupe very quickly just like with methadone

 

[Jabberwocky]

What happened after that was simply one of the best opioid experience I've ever had (and one of my best highs in general).
For the first time in my life I began to nod pretty hard, while listening to one of the most beautiful albums in existence and it was just pure BLISS.
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I feel you on this but I was a heroin addict and listening to Alice in Chains - I would sit on my computer chair and NOD into space and just be in pure BLISS!

I am now on 8MG of bupe a day and still listen to all jams but nothing compares to those days of nodding off.

 

[Laststop]

Bup is actually more euphoric at 2mg and lower doses as the norbup metabolite activates the mu receptor more than bup does but it has a lower binding affinity than bup. Once you take a whole 8mg or more the bup overwhelms all the receptors and doesn't let any norbup get in there. If i take a whole 8mg subutex the buzz is pretty crap. I have found the optimum dose to be about 1.25-1.50mg and I get that nice warm opiate feeling. Bup is the exception to the rule where more is actually less and less is actually more. AT least this is my experience with it.

This sub doctor in my area actually pushes people to go with 3x 8mg strips because he wants to be sure the sub is blocking everything. He actually gets suspicious of people that want lower doses how crazy is that?

 

[hydr0m0rph]

Was cool reading your replies. ComfortablyNumb, sounds almost just like my experience I wasn't really expecting it to happen again, and it didn't. I felt good again this morning after my dose, maybe 1/2 the euphoria haha. So yah, I think tolerance rises so fast, that it was a one time thing, or if you only use it very occasionally, it will be amazing. I was seriously using it for my PAWS, so getting a high was just a bonus haha. I will most likely continue at 1mg/24hrs.
Thats really interesting how sub is used in prison as well, i had wondered about that.
I heard that it was also the DOC in a europoean country, can't remember which one.. I just wonder how people continue to get a high out of it? since tolerance rises so fast.

Methacodone, the funny thing is, that list looks almost just like my one would have before this happened. Oxymorphone was my all time fav. But honestly, this was better.. I'm sure it was just because I had like 0 tolerance, but it makes me wonder if bupe in this particular situation, would actually be more euphoric than those powerful full agonists.

 

[Laststop]

Was cool reading your replies. ComfortablyNumb, sounds almost just like my experience I wasn't really expecting it to happen again, and it didn't. I felt good again this morning after my dose, maybe 1/2 the euphoria haha. So yah, I think tolerance rises so fast, that it was a one time thing, or if you only use it very occasionally, it will be amazing. I was seriously using it for my PAWS, so getting a high was just a bonus haha. I will most likely continue at 1mg/24hrs.
Thats really interesting how sub is used in prison as well, i had wondered about that.
I heard that it was also the DOC in a europoean country, can't remember which one.. I just wonder how people continue to get a high out of it? since tolerance rises so fast.

Methacodone, the funny thing is, that list looks almost just like my one would have before this happened. Oxymorphone was my all time fav. But honestly, this was better.. I'm sure it was just because I had like 0 tolerance, but it makes me wonder if bupe in this particular situation, would actually be more euphoric than those powerful full agonists.

I love oxymorphone too and the new orange generics with G74 imprint crush down perfectly no anti abuse. But it's only my second fav. My number 1 favorite is smoking fentanyl, preferably a liquid solution i can drop onto foil instead of inhaling all the nasty ingredients in a gel patch but either is awesome. That acetyl fentanyl RC was nice while it lasted as well too.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I've heard for years that bupe is better at lower MG doses but I still dont agree and I've been around the drug for years and years.

now, I am NOT saying that lower doses are not better, but the 2MG does not work the way many explain; at least not for the actual addict and not just someone having fun one night.

I started at 16MG about 5 months ago and now on 8MG and do feel much better but I've been down that road before where I would WANT to be at 2MG to get the buzz some talk about and it was NEVER THERE; I'd always have to up my dosage because I'd start to feel a bit dope sick.

again, this is coming from a heroin addict and not just using for "fun".

 

[namnoc16]

I love oxymorphone too and the new imprint crush down perfectly no anti abuse. But it's only my second fav. My number 1 favorite is smoking fentanyl, preferably a liquid solution i can drop onto foil instead of inhaling all the nasty ingredients in a gel patch but either is awesome. That acetyl fentanyl RC was nice while it lasted as well too.

pill ids aren't allowed dude. I'm definitely not a rule stickler but for your sake and bluelights(I'm sure there could be legal entanglements that's why it's not allowed) you probably should remove that. Duh I guess I better take it out of the quote huh,lol!