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Building my first stack

shartline88

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Getting ready to order the following things to try (individually at first) to build my first stack. What are your thoughts?

Phenylpiracetam
Noopept
Adrafinil
Phenibut
L- tyrosine

Pretty excited to place my order! Any critiques?
 
L-tyrosine should be naturally present in your diet, no need to supplement with it unless you are protien-deficient.

Adrafinil is effectively just a prodrug for modafinil and is a wakefulness promoting agent. Phenylpiracetam and noopept are more general nootropics presumably with less intense stimulant effects.

Phenibut is a GABA-B agonist sedative and is not really a "nootropic", it's a drug that can produce dependence if misused.


I would not take these drugs all at once, probably the phenylpiracetam and noopept are fine for daily use, but leave the adrafinil and phenibut for situations when you need them, rather than taking them daily for no good reason.
 
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Personally, after spending so much on l tyrosine , noopept, racetam, ect i would just stick with adrafinil to start because ive used adrafinil modafinil and armodafinil and they seemed to me expodentially stronger but weaker than amphetamine.

Honestly ive spent so much hundreds (i could go on for pages the stuff ive bought) on nootropics i really only felt really worked was
Armodafinil, modafinil, or adrafinil
Nicotine (e.x. id use gum )
Caffeine
Amphetamine
Light exercise
Sleep
 
Largely seconding what's already been said here.

Don't bother with supplementing L-Tyrosine, maybe just increase your overall protein intake there. I recommend legumes because they're cheap (kg of red lentils costs me $3 AUD), tasty and filling, easy to prepare, full of fiber, cholesterol-free, low in calories and fat.

Heck, while we're talking nutrition, up your omega-3s with chia/flax/hemp seeds/oils and canola oil (ignore the canola fearmongering) but don't cook with any of these oils. I have noticed improved cognition, mood and joint issues after replacing butter on toast with canola oil - sounds weird/gross but you'd be surprised... Maybe chuck in vitamin D3 (deficiency is common) and a B-complex too.

Moving on to the nootropics.

Phenibut for daily use... No offense here but I don't think you have done enough research on this substance if you have daily use in mind. You will inevitably end up building a tolerance that will require ridiculously high doses to maintain desired effects, and in doing so become physically dependent with some long and nasty withdrawals to look forward to when you decide to cease use. I would recommend using phenibut no more than 3 days per week with no same-day redosing and not using it in on consecutive days. Best used when you need a bit of help with anxiety/sleep and it is FABULOUS for socialising. Best way I can describe the effect there is it just allows you to be *you.* Social anxiety and inhibitions are reduced but you're still left in control. It's kind of like having good aspects of alcohol and MDMA except you're less likely to do/say things you wouldn't/shouldn't as with alcohol and without the in-your-face drugged-up effect of MDMA - not the latter is terrible but you get my point. ;) Just be careful when mixing it with alcohol or other depressants as the effects of both with be potentiated. Caffeine is a great addition to phenibut - match made in heaven.

I have used Noopept daily for months at a time with no apparent ill effects other than maybe a decrease in effectiveness. No withdrawal symptoms for me upon discontinuation but I believe others have reported experiencing them, just keep that in mind. Additionally I found it works best with a choline source like soy lecithin.

No experience with phenylpiracetam but from what I have read I believe it should be similar situation as Noopept.

From my experience with modafinil, which adrafinil is a prodrug for, I would again recommend using it sparingly as with phenibut. In all honesty I find good old caffeine lends itself better to daily use and generally a better and more user-friendly stimulant/eugeroic than modafinil and would imagine even more so than adrafinil, but we're all different... If you choose to try adrafinil save it for study/work or other situations where you need a boost of focus and energy. IIRC there is some evidence of potential for hepatotoxicity with adrafinil specifically it so can't hurt to keep an eye on your LFTs too.
 
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With daily use Modafinil can apparently also cause weird cardiovascular issues (only in ~1% of users but still).

Also imo phenibut + stimulant is a great combo in general. Although i only take it rarely (every 2 - 3 month) because of the already mentioned adverse effects of taking phenibut too often.
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice and info. I didn't mean I'd be using any of these (except noopept) daily... especially the phenibut. I actually got my order in today and tried the phenylpiracetam. Took it at 11 am and have had no effects so far and it is now 2 pm. I might try the phenibut tonight so I'll let you know how it goes and I'm saving the adrafinil to use for the first time on Monday. Will report back soon!
 
I don't know if their is any truth in it but I've been told piracetam was being used to cut street heroin. The melting point looks rather high but I can only presume it is either a lie I have been told or it forms a eutectic. Both US and Eastern European sources have claimed that possession of it has resulted in arrest and conviction. Here it is caffeine/paracetamol mix and people are prosecuted for having said mixture which seems odd.
 
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