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Brain zaps more than a week later

nightElf said:
My neurologist told me they are Myoculus. Since there's nothing "wrong" with me per se, they should go away in time, I should NOT pay attention to them, since they intensify if I get worried or think about them too much (anxiety, probably), and she gave me the Rivotril to fight them, if they become to annoying. But I don't want to get addicted to it, so I rather not pay attention, and drink herbal teas, that sometimes work :)

This is interesting, from the wikipedia article
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yes, myoclonus makes more sense :), and good thing that you've been to a specialist.

the quote is indeed interesting. serotonin is an inhibitory neurotransmitter, but it's definitely not the first thing to come to my mind when thinking about muscle contraction.
 
nightElf said:
Thank you very much! This really helped me, sounds a lot like the things I am/was experiencing :)

I notice that the thread is old (2011). Did you take MD or any other drug, again? Even in small amounts?

I noticed that Hypericus helps a lot with the ticks as well! Did you tried it when you had your symptoms?

Again, thanks for your help!
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Hi Night Elf, glad to help :)

Yes I have tried again some MD (tested it in advance), but a VERY small dose, probably 50mg, 2 years ago. Probably it was not enough, also the music and club was not so good, so i did not have any UP effect, or maybe a very slight one, helped by some alcohol probably.

But then i had the zaps again for at least one month (not everyday and not so intense as the first time, but they came back), fading gradually in the second month.

So I decided to give up completely. There's no point of being in pain for 2-3 months for a 2-3 hours of rocking.

As for other drugs...I am drinking sometimes, no problem with that, it actually helped me relax more and now i can sleep even better after a beer or 2..or 3 :)

I have kept smoking hash/weed for some years, and that was not causing the zaps either, even though i would not reccommend that. I have quit smoking indeed. Main reason is because i cannot make my own and you never know what shit they put in the one you buy.

Hypericus, i have never taken it, and if you refer to the natural herb...i would say, go for it..anything that is natural cannot harm you, and if you see that it helps, take even more.

They prescribed also to me Rivotril, I took it 2 or 3 days (half or a quarter of the drops prescribed) but i felt it was too strong anyway. And the risk of getting addicted for life, and starting with anti-depressive and so on is too high. I STRONGLY recommend you not to take that.

And yes, you are right, I noticed that it is also related to anxiety, anger and mood. The more you think about it, the more you are nervous or angry, and the more the symptoms appear.

So don't worry, they will go away completely with time and you will be perfectly fine ;)

Also, as a side note, I had hypnic-jerks way before i started using drugs, so those are normal, even for "healthy" people.

Myoclonus is the technical name, your neurologist is right.

Cheers, take care.
 
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savior999 said:
Hi Night Elf, glad to help :)

Yes I have tried again some MD (tested it in advance), but a VERY small dose, probably 50mg, 2 years ago. Probably it was not enough, also the music and club was not so good, so i did not have any UP effect, or maybe a very slight one, helped by some alcohol probably.

But then i had the zaps again for at least one month (not everyday and not so intense as the first time, but they came back), fading gradually in the second month.

So I decided to give up completely. There's no point of being in pain for 2-3 months for a 2-3 hours of rocking.

As for other drugs...I am drinking sometimes, no problem with that, it actually helped me relax more and now i can sleep even better after a beer or 2..or 3 :)
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It's what I suspected. I guess my time with MD has come to an end :) It was good, while it lasted. I value too much my life/mind to ruin it just for 2-3 hours of high, like you say :) I'm also getting old to party.

I have kept smoking hash/weed for some years, and that was not causing the zaps either, even though i would not reccommend that. I have quit smoking indeed. Main reason is because i cannot make my own and you never know what shit they put in the one you buy.
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I don't smoke, so I don't worry too much about that :) Have you tried LSD? Perhaps in very small amounts? (1/4 or 1/8 piece)

Hypericus, i have never taken it, and if you refer to the natural herb...i would say, go for it..anything that is natural cannot harm you, and if you see that it helps, take even more.
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Yes, it's Saint Joans' Ward (or something like that!). I drink tea from the leafs, and also have them as drops. I'll give it a try for a couple of weeks, and come back with the results. I was able to sleep fine yesterday, only took an herbal pill to help me relax.

They prescribed also to me Rivotril, I took it 2 or 3 days (half or a quarter of the drops prescribed) but i felt it was too strong anyway. And the risk of getting addicted for life, and starting with anti-depressive and so on is too high. I STRONGLY recommend you not to take that.

And yes, you are right, I noticed that it is also related to anxiety, anger and mood. The more you think about it, the more you are nervous or angry, and the more the symptoms appear.
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I felt the same as you. Two drops (which are like ~0.200 ml?) left me stupid. I was fine with 1 drop, but I don't want to push it. Honestly, I rather drink tea and don't pay too much attention to it.
So don't worry, they will go away completely with time and you will be perfectly fine ;)

Also, as a side note, I had hypnic-jerks way before i started using drugs, so those are normal, even for "healthy" people.

Myoclonus is the technical name, your neurologist is right.

Cheers, take care.
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Thank you for your kind words! It really helps me see light in the end of the tunnel :D

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I had the hycpic jerks as well, when I went to sleep, so I guess we are more prone to that reaction
 
;) yes, I have tried LSD (a quarter) 2 or 3 times, but did it before the overdose happened, and I was not so fond of it actually so I did not do that again.

Yeah, same for me with Rivotril. I could sleep and did not have any jump...but at the same time I felt so strange and unnatural. One night while i was falling asleep I felt like the mattress was swallowing me 8o ...it was the weirdest sensation ever lol

I appreciate your way of thinking and that you are smart enough to understand and decide how to proceed. You are already on the right track, good one!

I know now you probably are doing like I did , researching and reading on internet all the information about myoclonus, jerks, brain zaps...etc...if it is so, remember that all the natural things can help, yes, but the key word is only one: TIME.

No need to worry about anything else. Time will heal everything.

Peace :)
 
Hey, savior999, I tried answering your PM, but your inbox is full :D

I'm thinking about writing a blog/tumblr/something to write my experience, and help others in the way :)
 
nightElf said:
Oh! thanks, I had no idea! I'll take a look :D Can I put a link in my signature, in case the people want to follow up there? Thanks!
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I don't think you can set a signature actually. Not sure but I think that function is reserved for staff. You can try, if you can set a signature a link to your blog is fine, but I've never seen a bluelighter or greenlighter with a signature so I don't think it's possible. You can however put one in your profile information. Plus if you write a blog, a link is automatically put underneath your username on the left when you post. Underneath greenlighter/bluelighter it will say 'Blog entries: 1' which is clickable, see szuko000's post above for an example
 
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BlueBull said:
I don't think you can set a signature actually. Not sure but I think that function is reserved for staff. You can try, if you can set a signature a link to your blog is fine, but I've never seen a bluelighter or greenlighter with a signature so I don't think it's possible. You can however put one in your profile information. Plus if you write a blog, a link is automatically put underneath your username on the left when you post. Underneath greenlighter/bluelighter it will say 'Blog entries: 1' which is clickable, see szuko000's post above for an example
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And I need to have at least 50 posts to see the Create blog section. Took me a while to discover it! hehe http://wiki.bluelight.org/index.php/Greenlighters_guide#Keeping_a_Blog_at_Bluelight

I'll work on the content and when I reach 50, I'll start adding the posts. Thanks for your help :)
 
nightElf said:
No, I can very easily distinguish between a brain zap and a jerk, unfortunately.
1 - Brain zaps: annoying, like electricity, won't let me sleep, they (are usually) triggered when I want to sleep. Right between when I'm awake and I'm sleep, which wakes me up (obviously)
2 - Hypnic jerk: I'm still having these. They are split between "violent" and "small": the violent ones are the ones that I get on the bed usually (or when I am relaxed), in which I "jump". It's like a group of muscles, like you get scared, and you "jump", actually move in the bed or the chair, as if someone poked you with a needle. The small ones, I still get them everyday, all the time, they are annoying when I use the computer. Is like small "mini jumps", but I do not "jump" with them (only my hand, or fingers, move, not the entire body). The mouse in the computer still detects the movement, which is annoying.
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Hypnic jerk eh? I get the small ones all the time with ghb and I used to get the violent ones all the time, again on ghb, when trying to sleep. Some of them would come from nowhere and literally lift me off the mattress, which drove my girlfriend at the time mad; of curse I found that amusing.

I can relate to the mouse thing as well, always closing the window or opening a new one.
 
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szuko000 said:
Just to confirm this point I stupidly did 300mg of tested molly, extremely pure, and I almost went to the hospital. If I was anywhere other then my g/fs house I would have by my own choosing because I was in extremely bad shape like dehydration hazard shape. I think if I did 400mg I would have had to go, with or without my consent.
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Then it had nothing to do with the MDMA, manufakturer maybe a losy chemestist not h*n sloppy hvo did nok both, maybe nest time dring some water?
400mg is not enough to kill a normal healthy being even without tolerance(possibly if the individual dances for 5hours straigt without some drink, yea. but then its dehydration there is the danger, not an MDMA-overdose.

As I wrote it was the culmination on a way to long binge roll. I practically did as close to pure MDMA as possible here in Denmark. And I did it almost everyday for like 4month. The funny thing a bout that new years eve/morning, I did not feel anything special. But as son as I hit bed all nasty side effects came. zaps through my body from the limbs towards the brain amongst other nasty things like severe depression, suicide thoughts and extreme self loathing. But it healed. No need to say i did not touch MDMA for a year or to afterwards. have done it a couple of times since, with years between, and the effects i get now is compared to bad bad street amphetamin.

Yes the batch was lab tested to a purity of 98.2 if i remember correct. It is actually possible here in EU, without getting busted for possession.

But of course just like a opiate naive cant handle half a gram of dope, a typical MDMA user who roll 1,2or4 times a year does not have the tolerance. But I dont belive that 1,5g MDMA is a certain killer even if the person has no tolerance.


I can not find any thing on human LD50 but this can give a hint.

LD50 (mice) 97 mg/kg i.p.
LD50 (rats) 49 mg/kg i.p.
LD50 (guinea pigs) 98 mg/kg i.p.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_chemistry.shtml

any ways, I’m not here to defend myself(from nowon :p ). And sorry if I’m hijacking the threat. I just don’t like being accused of speaking lies.

Have a nice day/night/what it is on your side of this thing called Earth
 
I've heard so much about extensive mdma use causing depression and memory problems, but I've yet to experience this at all. If anything, both my mood and my ability to recall specific memories have gotten better. Especially from a few trips where I would find myself remembering a lot of things that I had forgotten about.

I haven't had brain zaps either, though I've read a lot about it I seriously wonder wtf it's like. Is it painful? What is a zap suppose to feel like anyway? I haven't gotten tasered yet, so idk...

Mdma is pretty damn safe though. Not just from my own experiences but tons of other people's as well. And we're all doing well too. :)
 
Kl519 said:
I haven't had brain zaps either, though I've read a lot about it I seriously wonder wtf it's like. Is it painful? What is a zap suppose to feel like anyway? I haven't gotten tasered yet, so idk...
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i've only had them once after seriously overdoing it. you have surely gotten a small electric shock at some point in your life. it's basically like that but more intense, less "sharp", localised in your head and without any kind of pain.
 
Black said:
i've only had them once after seriously overdoing it. you have surely gotten a small electric shock at some point in your life. it's basically like that but more intense, less "sharp", localised in your head and without any kind of pain.
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Hmm, like banging a knee on a table? And there's no pain too...but if it's in the head, that sounds troublesome. No wonder people complain about it. =/
 
Kl519 said:
Hmm, like banging a knee on a table?
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i was more thinking of electricity (like the things inside a push lighter), but actually, if you hit a nerve on your knee or elbow (not too hard, but hard enough to really feel it), the immediate sensation (minus any pain) is pretty much spot on.
 
Black said:
i was more thinking of electricity (like the things inside a push lighter), but actually, if you hit a nerve on your knee or elbow (not too hard, but hard enough to really feel it), the immediate sensation (minus any pain) is pretty much spot on.
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I see, thanks for the explanation. These brain zaps do sound like a bitch then, since it would seem to interrupt whatever one is doing? Blah. Hopefully no one gets them, especially from doing a wonderful substance like mdma.
 
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