Ah cheers mate thanks for the info! I tend to stick to my guns when it comes to downers, but some of these novel ones are indeed cheap.. that said I don't really fuck with RCs these days, not after some horrific HPPD I incurred from 25I. That taught me a lesson or two about erring on the side of caution. Maybe I have some time for the new lysergimides though, heard good things about 1P-LSD