Being negatively judged by healthcare professionals because ur a user or previous user

[feelingood7282]

Depends on the drug. Doctors don't like meth. They hate IV meth addicts. I was treated horribly by numerous doctors when I told them that I was using meth intravenously. One time a doctor kicked me out of his office and banned me from ever seeing him again. I didn't raise my voice. I didn't say anything abusive. I wasn't physically aggressive... and I REALLY needed help. It was bizarre. I was in shock. I didn't understand what was happening.

These days, I disclose as little as possible about my drug use... which sucks because it is relevant to so many things.

I injected drugs for 15 years. I don't want to say that to a doctor but I feel like I need to say it (or make up a lie) in order for them to approve a government funded heart / lung / kidney / liver examination.

Thanks for the response frog dreams !!!! Damn dude that's fucked up !!! To be straight up kicked out of his office because he doesn't like what you did....that's wacked !!! They are supposed to treat without bias.... After all what the hell did they go to medical school for ??? It shouldn't matter who's sitting in front of them we all should be treated the same. And after you telling him he should have absolutely ordered some tests for you to make sure you are all good. Isn't it all supposed to be about helping and healing and treating. It's really sad that they get so hung up on their own personal opinions of us users and can't even bring forth of what they learned in medical school of gathering medical information from us analyzing a problem and treating the problem or at least trying to treat the problem. And we are all supposed to be treated equal not supposed to be judged we're just supposed to be treated!!! treated!!! treated !!! NOT TREATED LIKE SHIT AND JUDGED !!! Thanks again for your time and sharing your experience.

 

[feelingood7282]

Yeah. It does suck to be judged and mistreated for having a disease (addiction) and I have had my own experiences myself though at times I realized I was just being projecting.

The most recent time I clearly wasn’t projecting though. My wife actually cried when the doctor left the room because she said she sees how some medical professionals treat addicts now. Basically, I set an appointment up when I completed inpatient rehab for follow up care. They put me in vyvanse in rehab and I knew some outpatient doctors would have issues with that.

So I called one of the places that left their flyer at the treatment center for aftercare and asked if they would have issue with it and they said no, taht it wouldn’t be an issue continuing my medication. Note I have trialed non stimulants before and they either weren’t effective or had intolerable side effects.

Well, she came in the room and after reviewing what I told the nurse regarding what medications I am on, she accused me of lying about being prescribed 60mg vyvanse and said she only sees the 10mg vyvanse. (They put me on a booster dose inpatient)

And I pulled up my cvs pharmacy profile and showed her my prescriptions being that they sent me prescriptions to bridge the gap between the appointments when I completed inpatient. And she said that doesn’t matter. She didn’t apologize for essentially calling ne a liar or anything and then went onto lie to me by telling me that vyvanse is only prescribed for children with adhd and that the only treatment for adults is Welbutrin and guancifine.

I explained the side effects I get from guancifine and how I trialed strattera (liver issues) and Welbutrin (ineffective) before which is why I’m in vyvanse. And you know what she did? She said “well I’m sending a prescription for guancifine and you can take it or leave it. Guancifine caused me severe crippling depression which is a known side effect. And I mean severe. And I was happy and things going well when I tried it.

So, yeah, I left the office and called and politkey canceled all future appointments and went back to my old doctor who I didn’t want to go to because he prescribed me adderral last time I used to see him last year and I wanted to stay in vyvanse.

Fortunately, when I went back to him he asked me if I wanted to stay in the vyvanse or go back on adderral IR. I stayed in the vyvanse. And he is an addiction specialist board certified. Has his own methadone clinic at his practice and suboxone clinic.and I know I said doctor but the one that was rude to me at the previous place was a NP and I think it’s just that people that are actual specialists in addiction know that untreated ADHD can lead to self medicating.

I did relapse though if I’m being honest but I’m back on track with my meds.
I just went to a lower dose that doesn’t cause euphoria but treats ky symptoms. Euphoria caused by medications is a major trigger for me so we corrected that.

Anyhow, I feel your pain man.

Thanks for your response Jucewrldfan, glad to hear that at least it sure sounds like you have a real decent primary doctor they are rare these days and priceless and damn hard to find. Great point about the NP definitely had my own issues with them. I even asked one time and assistant if there was a MD available instead of the NP and damn there wasn't but when that NP come in the room she had a huge attitude. And that's really messed up man that you didn't even get even a partial apology or an acknowledgment that they were wrong about that script their power trips are almost as bad as the pigs. And it's really messed up that they didn't listen to you about how that medication makes you feel I get that they study for years on how to treat a human body but I've always thought and always said that although they know what's in the book nobody knows your body better than yourself bottom line so although they give an opinion, you are already going to know on some levels how your body May react to it or has in past regardless of what they say... They really should have listened to you when you told them about the side effects of that medication instead of being so hung up on wanting to force you to take something that your body didn't react well too. Thanks again for your time and your experience. I'm glad at least you got your vyvanse straight.

 

[Frog Dreams]

Thanks for the response frog dreams !!!! Damn dude that's fucked up !!! To be straight up kicked out of his office because he doesn't like what you did....that's wacked !!! They are supposed to treat without bias.... After all what the hell did they go to medical school for ??? It shouldn't matter who's sitting in front of them we all should be treated the same. And after you telling him he should have absolutely ordered some tests for you to make sure you are all good. Isn't it all supposed to be about helping and healing and treating. It's really sad that they get so hung up on their own personal opinions of us users and can't even bring forth of what they learned in medical school of gathering medical information from us analyzing a problem and treating the problem or at least trying to treat the problem. And we are all supposed to be treated equal not supposed to be judged we're just supposed to be treated!!! treated!!! treated !!! NOT TREATED LIKE SHIT AND JUDGED !!! Thanks again for your time and sharing your experience.

I was having serious problems with my right arm at the time due to a collapsed vein. He barely looked at it. Told me, yeah you probably did some damage. Obviously he didn't care if I died because I'm junkie scum. That's very distinctly what it felt like. Like I was being thrown in the trash... I didn't say any of that. I didn't object. He just ushered me out of his office and told me to never come back. So, I went back to the waiting room and told the receptionist what happened. She booked me into another doctor. Sat there for about an hour. Finally saw the other doctor. He, at least, examined me. But - clearly - again my presence was a nuisance. He wasn't focused on my arm even though he acknowledged that my right arm was swollen and was a different colour from my left arm. He was focused on convincing me to quit using meth. I told him I wasn't ready to do that and he basically said he couldn't help me. I gave up. I never got a scan for that arm. Now, 15 years later, it is still a bit swollen. It is still a different colour from my left arm... and the fingers on my right hand get super cold sometimes.

The 2nd doctor kept referring to the first doctor as his "colleague" and was questioning why on earth I wanted a second opinion. I kept telling him I was worried about my arm. Neither of them gave a shit.

The experience turned me off confiding in health professionals.

I am way more professional than many doctors I've seen and I get paid nothing compared to them. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I did what they did. It still baffles me to this day.

 

[Survival0200]

The same goes if you have mental health history and try to get help for your physical symptoms - they think you're just imagining them.

If I ever have pain that needs to be treated I probably won't get any painkillers. So let's hope I stay healthy ...

Sorry for the off-topic.

 

[feelingood7282]

I was having serious problems with my right arm at the time due to a collapsed vein. He barely looked at it. Told me, yeah you probably did some damage. Obviously he didn't care if I died because I'm junkie scum. That's very distinctly what it felt like. Like I was being thrown in the trash... I didn't say any of that. I didn't object. He just ushered me out of his office and told me to never come back. So, I went back to the waiting room and told the receptionist what happened. She booked me into another doctor. Sat there for about an hour. Finally saw the other doctor. He, at least, examined me. But - clearly - again my presence was a nuisance. He wasn't focused on my arm even though he acknowledged that my right arm was swollen and was a different colour from my left arm. He was focused on convincing me to quit using meth. I told him I wasn't ready to do that and he basically said he couldn't help me. I gave up. I never got a scan for that arm. Now, 15 years later, it is still a bit swollen. It is still a different colour from my left arm... and the fingers on my right hand get super cold sometimes.

The 2nd doctor kept referring to the first doctor as his "colleague" and was questioning why on earth I wanted a second opinion. I kept telling him I was worried about my arm. Neither of them gave a shit.

The experience turned me off confiding in health professionals.

I am way more professional than many doctors I've seen and I get paid nothing compared to them. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I did what they did. It still baffles me to this day.

OMG...unfucking real. !!!! It's hard to fathom that a potential serious medical problem could be presented in front of a doctor who spends a decent part of their life studying to heal. Regardless of who it is they were supposed to at least TRY to help ...try to treat..try to heal.He obviously saw an abnormality then u were honest about how it happened . clearly it's not normal for your fingers get cold (esp if tgey haven't been doing that) and ur arm ,swollen and discolored ..damn !!! You truly could have possibly had a blood clot !!! And if it was a blood clot you could have had a heat attack or even stroke n who knows what else !!! motherfucker sends you out because u HONEST. You want to get better and you damn right ain't nobody going to jump off nothing until they're ready and that's OUR own fucking choice if we want to use we're going to use when we're ready to jump off for a little while or for permanently that's OUR choice. His reaction only adds and I'm sure fuels your depression too .NO ONE SHOULD BE MADE FEEL LIKE THAT ESP ESP BY A DOCTOR!!!! We don't deserve to be treated like this and I am REALLY sorry that was REAL fucked up man. I've never thought myself better than anyone ever on this earth but I do know one thing WE are MORE compassionate than a lot ..a lot ,..of them.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

OMG...unfucking real. !!!! It's hard to fathom that a potential serious medical problem could be presented in front of a doctor who spends a decent part of their life studying to heal. Regardless of who it is they were supposed to at least TRY to help ...try to treat..try to heal.He obviously saw an abnormality then u were honest about how it happened . clearly it's not normal for your fingers get cold (esp if tgey haven't been doing that) and ur arm ,swollen and discolored ..damn !!! You truly could have possibly had a blood clot !!! And if it was a blood clot you could have had a heat attack or even stroke n who knows what else !!! motherfucker sends you out because u HONEST. You want to get better and you damn right ain't nobody going to jump off nothing until they're ready and that's OUR own fucking choice if we want to use we're going to use when we're ready to jump off for a little while or for permanently that's OUR choice. His reaction only adds and I'm sure fuels your depression too .NO ONE SHOULD BE MADE FEEL LIKE THAT ESP ESP BY A DOCTOR!!!! We don't deserve to be treated like this and I am REALLY sorry that was REAL fucked up man. I've never thought myself better than anyone ever on this earth but I do know one thing WE are MORE compassionate than a lot ..a lot ,..of them.

I'm the son of a retired surgeon; I had her read this.
She said that such behaviour violates the Hippocratic oath, that you shouldn't be practicing medicine if you're letting your personal prejudices interfere with your professional ethics, and that she'd have torn this guy a new one had he been one of her colleagues.


PS takeaway point of this reply, not all doctors are arseholes.

I've had total better-than-you neglectful judgemental bastards, and I've had decent human beings with expertise just trying their best to help. Be conscious of the fact that any medical professional refusing to examine or treat you for any health complaint (presuming you're not acting like a psycho and threatening staff over not being given your favourite drug etc) absolutely IS in violation of his oath. That is straight-up medical malpractice and you have the RIGHT to report it to the relevant admin and ask to be seen by somebody else. There also should be an official complaints procedure.

 

[feelingood7282]

i've been treated pretty well by health care professionals. no one ever really judges me and they are all pretty nice with the execption of some of them are persistent that i take meds, but after a short period they always send me to another psychiatrist that seems to be okay with taking me off meds.

like i actually recieve social security money because of my disability of schizophrenia, but the thing is, while getting diagnosed, i had actually been hospitalized with lsd in my system twice, so i'm thinking they could try to make a case like "why would we give you disability money when you keep using drugs. this isn't even schizophrenia it's drug induced schizophrenia." like three other times i've been hospitalized i must've had really high levels of marijuana in my system too, so i really don't see how i'm being given money for pretty much screwing up doing drugs.. i'm thinking i might have a secret record where i had schizophrenia as a child, so maybe they are being lenient with me... but i'm pretty much surprised how okay the mental health system is with me. i've never really endangered anyone other than myself, so maybe that's part of why, but i could definitely see them being like "you need to be on meds if you want our social security money." doesn't seem to be that way. i'm pretty much staying away from using illegal drugs like i used to to not slip up again. probably wouldn't be the case if i had to work a job i hated all the time and wasn't on social security, then i'd be more accepting of going to prison or whatever. right now i just feel like they are giving me too much to mess up again and loose what they give me. life is too easy for me with social security. : /

i'd also never tell doctors i used something like salvia which i actually have recently. i'm thinking maybe they might not try to persecute me or whatever. i just see no reason to mention something like that... they are always accepting that i want to use weed though. seems way less controversial. who knows what the heck salvia actually is.

about pain killers. they stopped giving my father oxys at a low dose and he has almost every disk in his back herniated or ruptured and all he did was fail a drug test with weed. weed is even recreational in my state now. kind of sucks.

Thanks for sharing foodcrisis..I'm glad you haven't had it too bad with your healthcare interactions.... It's definitely hit and miss but you're just more likely to run into the negative side of it. Real fucked up about your father
With his bad back I personally have seven discs in my back that are bulged. It is very painful. Even though people are more accepting of pot now..there are a lot that consider marijuana just as bad as heroin ,crack, cocaine, meth... And clearly the ones who view it like that have absolutely no experience with drugs whatsoever. And I probably wouldn't mention to them about the salvia either. It had just be one more thing to judge you for.

 

[feelingood7282]

I'm the son of a retired surgeon; I had her read this.
She said that such behaviour violates the Hippocratic oath, that you shouldn't be practicing medicine if you're letting your personal prejudices interfere with your professional ethics, and that she'd have torn this guy a new one had he been one of her colleagues.


PS takeaway point of this reply, not all doctors are arseholes.

I've had total better-than-you neglectful judgemental bastards, and I've had decent human beings with expertise just trying their best to help. Be conscious of the fact that any medical professional refusing to examine or treat you for any health complaint (presuming you're not acting like a psycho and threatening staff over not being given your favourite drug etc) absolutely IS in violation of his oath. That is straight-up medical malpractice and you have the RIGHT to report it to the relevant admin and ask to be seen by somebody else. There also should be an official complaints procedure.

Thanks for showing that to your mom (ultimatefix) ...that confirms exactly what I thought I figured it was against the oath they take ....she confirmed it!!!!!!! I knew it!!!!!! And absolutely gladly say I have had some good doctors definitely unfortunately I've come across more bad than good but I never come across one that has refused to treat me and throw me out of the office without even an exam at the very mention of using especially when they can see I have an abnormality like frog dreams. His was by far the worst I've ever heard. And thank you this will be wonderful to gather this information even from your mother's view especially being a retired surgeon. To help us formulate a Bill of Rights draft for all health Care professionals to better treat users and or previous users. Thanks again !!!!

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I was having serious problems with my right arm at the time due to a collapsed vein. He barely looked at it. Told me, yeah you probably did some damage. Obviously he didn't care if I died because I'm junkie scum. That's very distinctly what it felt like. Like I was being thrown in the trash... I didn't say any of that. I didn't object. He just ushered me out of his office and told me to never come back. So, I went back to the waiting room and told the receptionist what happened. She booked me into another doctor. Sat there for about an hour. Finally saw the other doctor. He, at least, examined me. But - clearly - again my presence was a nuisance. He wasn't focused on my arm even though he acknowledged that my right arm was swollen and was a different colour from my left arm. He was focused on convincing me to quit using meth. I told him I wasn't ready to do that and he basically said he couldn't help me. I gave up. I never got a scan for that arm. Now, 15 years later, it is still a bit swollen. It is still a different colour from my left arm... and the fingers on my right hand get super cold sometimes.

The 2nd doctor kept referring to the first doctor as his "colleague" and was questioning why on earth I wanted a second opinion. I kept telling him I was worried about my arm. Neither of them gave a shit.

The experience turned me off confiding in health professionals.

I am way more professional than many doctors I've seen and I get paid nothing compared to them. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I did what they did. It still baffles me to this day.

I smell malpractice

 

[feelingood7282]

In general my experience is I'm always severely undermedicated for pain. About 10 years ago I was in hospital for acute pancreatitis. Anyone of you who've had that knows how ridiculously painful this condition is. They basically wanted to fob me off with some paracetamol. I could hear a nurse and the attendant physician arguing about me in the corridor and he kept going 'we can't give him morphine, he's an addict!'

... which I found ridiculous for two reasons. One, with the massive tolerance I had at the time, it's not like a standard therapeutic dose would get me high ; and second, what exactly did they think they were gonna prevent from happening by not giving me any? That I'd like it just a bit too much? I was like, y'know that metaphorical horse has already bolted and disappeared over the horizon quite a while ago.

Plus an astonishing number of medical staff seem to be ignorant of the fact that opiate-dependent patients have a LOWER pain threshold so require MORE by way of analgesia. I had to argue with 3 different docs to finally get my morphine, and pretty much had to graphically point out that come next morning they'd have to be doing A LOT of cleaning up after me if I wasn't to be given any. It was infuriating.

And yeah I've been met with a lot of prejudice from GPs. The most annoying thing is that once it's known you're a user, whatever complaint you come in with is gonna be chalked up to the fact you're a user, which can have severe repercussions if as a consequence you won't receive proper diagnosis and treatment for an array of physical and mental health problems.

The shittiest attitude however I've generally encountered from pharmacists for whatever reason. I've had them refuse to fill my script, act like they couldn't find it even though I'd been to the surgery to check and they told me they'd definitely sent it down, been made to wait while 10 people who came in after me got served first, snide remarks made about me in front of all the other customers etc etc.

Thank you for sharing ultimatefix.,.. oh yesss once they know your a user or see methadone, Suboxone, etc... On ur chart or u test positive for ANYTHING even weed or ur being honest cause you want help for your issue at hand.. No matter what you go into the doctor for or ER for ....they act like is certainly must be related to "USING"... they just can't get past it !!! so they think the drug must be the cause of everything.... And yeah they would have had been cleaning up for quite some time had you went into the withdrawals....!!. Oh WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE WITHDRAWALS That's messed up that remarks were made and especially in front of other people waiting for medication. You're right some of the pharmacist and pharmacist text have huge problems as well with their judgment and bias on us. !!!! Thanks again!!¡!!

 

[feelingood7282]

I smell malpractice

WELCOME . Nice to meet you (someguyontheinternet). 9 cats huh?? sweet !!! Sounds like your grandson has a cool grandpa.. YES I agree with you too.... frog dreams DEFINITELY has reason/grounds for a malpractice case ... a joke of a Doctor should not be practicing on anyone if he refuses to treat someone.

 

[feelingood7282]

Ridiculous, like vicodin would do anything euphoric while your on methadone.

Right on.,.!!!! I don't think it's even possible to take enough of Vicodin to be able to feel them if you're methadone I wouldn't even mess with it...(i'm on methadone at a clinic for a heroin habit..) He can keep his Vicodin... obviously he thinks they are ""HEAVY" drugs...I DID tell him when said "I'm not giving you narcotics" as his hello, introduction of himself..( asshole!!!!) I don't want them and I DIDN'T ask ANYONE for any narcotics.

If or when I want something I'll go get it myself!!! I didn't say that last sentence but.....ya know!!!!

 

[feelingood7282]

Thanks for the response frog dreams !!!! Damn dude that's fucked up !!! To be straight up kicked out of his office because he doesn't like what you did....that's wacked !!! They are supposed to treat without bias.... After all what the hell did they go to medical school for ??? It shouldn't matter who's sitting in front of them we all should be treated the same. And after you telling him he should have absolutely ordered some tests for you to make sure you are all good. Isn't it all supposed to be about helping and healing and treating. It's really sad that they get so hung up on their own personal opinions of us users and can't even bring forth of what they learned in medical school of gathering medical information from us analyzing a problem and treating the problem or at least trying to treat the problem. And we are all supposed to be treated equal not supposed to be judged we're just supposed to be treated!!! treated!!! treated !!! NOT TREATED LIKE SHIT AND JUDGED !!! Thanks again for your time and sharing your experience.

 

[feelingood7282]

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The same goes if you have mental health history and try to get help for your physical symptoms - they think you're just imagining them.

If I ever have pain that needs to be treated I probably won't get any painkillers. So let's hope I stay healthy ...

Sorry for the off-topic.

I agree 100% survival...

 

[feelingood7282]

i've been treated pretty well by health care professionals. no one ever really judges me and they are all pretty nice with the execption of some of them are persistent that i take meds, but after a short period they always send me to another psychiatrist that seems to be okay with taking me off meds.

like i actually recieve social security money because of my disability of schizophrenia, but the thing is, while getting diagnosed, i had actually been hospitalized with lsd in my system twice, so i'm thinking they could try to make a case like "why would we give you disability money when you keep using drugs. this isn't even schizophrenia it's drug induced schizophrenia." like three other times i've been hospitalized i must've had really high levels of marijuana in my system too, so i really don't see how i'm being given money for pretty much screwing up doing drugs.. i'm thinking i might have a secret record where i had schizophrenia as a child, so maybe they are being lenient with me... but i'm pretty much surprised how okay the mental health system is with me. i've never really endangered anyone other than myself, so maybe that's part of why, but i could definitely see them being like "you need to be on meds if you want our social security money." doesn't seem to be that way. i'm pretty much staying away from using illegal drugs like i used to to not slip up again. probably wouldn't be the case if i had to work a job i hated all the time and wasn't on social security, then i'd be more accepting of going to prison or whatever. right now i just feel like they are giving me too much to mess up again and loose what they give me. life is too easy for me with social security. : /

i'd also never tell doctors i used something like salvia which i actually have recently. i'm thinking maybe they might not try to persecute me or whatever. i just see no reason to mention something like that... they are always accepting that i want to use weed though. seems way less controversial. who knows what the heck salvia actually is.

about pain killers. they stopped giving my father oxys at a low dose and he has almost every disk in his back herniated or ruptured and all he did was fail a drug test with weed. weed is even recreational in my state now. kind of sucks.

Thanks for sharing foodcrisis...glad your experience has been pretty decent....I wouldn't tell them about the saliva either. It probably just be used against you. Sucks bout your father n his back ....that they take away his treatment for the OBVIOUS pain he is in simply because he had weed in his system .... Fucked up!!! Hopefully he finds a diff Dr that will treat him not judge him

 

[Frog Dreams]

It was over 10 years ago and I have no idea what the doctors names are now. One of them was Eastern European and the other one was Asian. That's all I remember. Couldn't be bothered pursuing justice. I have a long list of shit to do already that is overwhelming AF. Not enough time in the day.

I appreciate all the kind words and support, though. Never talked to anyone - except for my wife - about what happened... and I never told her details I don't think.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

the doctor left the room …

Well, she came in the room and after reviewing what I told the nurse regarding what medications I am on, she accused me of lying

this is going to sound really…how should I say: discriminatory about my perception of who does the nastiest discrimination be it a doctor or a nurse.

My wife is also a patient advocate and tells me stories all the time and it’s always the same culprit I’m referring to here

But between doctors or nurses that have treated me like shit for being on legitimate legal pain medication for very well documented painful disease…there’s a pattern I’ve noticed.

The bold underlined text in the quoted post above is the pattern I’ve noticed be it a doctor but especially a nurse.

am I crazy or am I right?

I’ve had similar online discussions in chronic pain related communities and the consensus seemed to agree with what I’m suggesting, however this discussion was with pain patients not addicts

I’ve also caught onto this thing where no doctor can seem to acknowledge that a person that happens to be an addict can also experience chronic physical pain for a real injury or disease. But that’s a different topic. This is why you can only be one of these when you are in a clinic and never both. Mentall illness besides addiction is also mutually exclusive vis a vis treating chronic pain but I don’t have personal experience in that regard but it also seems to be the case.

I’ve made my choice about which one I will be inside clinic doors and unfortunately whichever one you select; you can never be treated for the second one. It’s a major dysfunction in medicine and they wonder why the streets are littered with people that are crippled that happen to be smoking fentanyl also. Maybe allowing people to actually have two diseases at the same time

1. Chronic pain

2. Addiction (any mental illness can substitute here also)

Might result in some better treatment outcomes and these nurses wouldn’t have to bitch and moan so much online about all the junkies shooting up on the side walk if their fucking institutions actually allowed treatment of both conditions in the same patient

 

[feelingood7282]

Thanks for showing that to your mom (ultimatefix) ...that confirms exactly what I thought I figured it was against qsthe oath they take ....she confirmed it!!!!!!! I knew it!!!!!! And absolutely gladly say I have had some good doctors definitely unfortunately I've come across more bad than good but I never come across one that has refused to treat me and throw me out of the office without even an exam at the very mention of using especially when they can see I have an abnormality like frog dreams. His was by far the worst I've ever heard. And thank you this will be wonderful to gather this information even from your mother's view especially being a retired surgeon. To help us formulate a Bill of Rights draft for all health Care professionals to better treat users and or previous users. Thanks again !!!!

this is going to sound really…how should I say: discriminatory about my perception of who does the nastiest discrimination be it a doctor or a nurse.

My wife is also a patient advocate and tells me stories all the time and it’s always the same culprit I’m referring to here

But between doctors or nurses that have treated me like shit for being on legitimate legal pain medication for very well documented painful disease…there’s a pattern I’ve noticed.

The bold underlined text in the quoted post above is the pattern I’ve noticed be it a doctor but especially a nurse.

am I crazy or am I right?

I’ve had similar online discussions in chronic pain related communities and the consensus seemed to agree with what I’m suggesting, however this discussion was with pain patients not addicts

I’ve also caught onto this thing where no doctor can seem to acknowledge that a person that happens to be an addict can also experience chronic physical pain for a real injury or disease. But that’s a different topic. This is why you can only be one of these when you are in a clinic and never both. I’ve made my choice about which one I will be inside clinic doors and unfortunately whichever one you select; you can never be treated for the second one. It’s a major dysfunction in medicine and they wonder why the streets are littered with people that are crippled that happen to be smoking fentanyl also. Maybe allowing people to actually have two diseases at the same time. Thank you lucidSdreamer!!!!!! you are "right on " dude !!!!

1. Chronic pain
2. Addiction

Might result in some better treatment outcomes and these nurses wouldn’t have to bitch and moan so much online about all the junkies shooting up on the side walk if their fucking institutions actually allowed treatment of both conditions in the same patient

You nailed it lucidSdreamer ... If you happen to be an addict before having a condition that causes chronic pain or rather you have a condition that causes chronic pain and then you become an addict because of the medication either way you're screwed because it all comes down to "oh my God" they are an addict, there goes the instant labeling, bias, judgment of their personal opinions...and GOOD LUCK trying to get treatment for painful condition rather it was before or after using. !!!! Agreed that's why so many of us are left with treating our own medical problems ourselves !!!!!!!!

 

[LucidSDreamr]

You nailed it lucidSdreamer ... If you happen to be an addict before having a condition that causes chronic pain or rather you have a condition that causes chronic pain and then you become an addict because of the medication either way you're screwed because it all comes down to "oh my God" they are an addict, there goes the instant labeling, bias, judgment of their personal opinions...and GOOD LUCK trying to get treatment for painful condition rather it was before or after using. !!!! Agreed that's why so many of us are left with treating our own medical problems ourselves !!!!!!!!

I’d go even farther and say that you don’t have to ever even become or have been an addict.

If you go onto r/chronicpain on redditt it’s full of people that are not addicts, don’t look like addicts don’t act like addicts - they all complain of being treated like a rabid PCP user for being on a 10 mg norco script.

Again it’s always comes the nastiest from the least educated and lowest people on the medical professional totem pole (ie nurses). But there are definitely some doctors that engage in it also.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I also have another thing related to this topic I’d like to add

Whenever you go to recovery like AA or NA; they always tell you to tell your doctor you are a drug addict.

While this is still what they all say in public, I’ve talked to a few that said they greatly regret ever doing so. They say that even though they have a decade + of clean time they were never treated with respect again and I’ve met a few that are crippled in their old age and have a lot of chronic pain that is unmedicated because
some moron from NA made them tell their doctor 15 years ago that they are a drug addict

In my time associating with them, when they would tell me to do that I would tell them absolutely not and explain way and they seemed to realize and understand why I have that stance on it after explaining it

But it’s still this dumb ass thing all these groups encourage their members to do…on the off chance your doctor offers you a desooxyn + dilaided script just for kicks?