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Ayahuasca

SmoochieCuddlekins

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I apologize if this is in the wrong section. I want to start out by saying i am making this post out of curiosity i would never participate in anything illegal, this is all hypothetical. So i first heard about dmt when i was 15 my first thought was holy fuck i gotta try this but after a little more research i quickly changed my mind i decided after what little i had read my 15 year old mind was probably not ready for something this powerful so for the past 8 years i have been reading about dmt and ayahuasca i read The spirit molecule by Rick Strassman listened to multiple recordings of Mckenna, Leary and whatever else i could find on the subject. I have decided it is time to take the journey on dmt and then ayahuasca with time in between to reflect on the experience. Both were made with acacia confusa root barkmy question is about the ayahusca. I plan on using syrian rue seeds as an maoi i have read that there can be harmful side effects if using syrian rue seeds and eating certain foods. Can anyone reccomend a diet for the week leading up to and the week after? I plan on drinking only water boths weeks to keep away from caffeine but need suggestions for what i should eat
 
While there is no physical danger to eating certain things while taking Syrian Rue, there are some things you can do to avoid discomfort.

Syrian rue is a *reversible* MAOI, also known as a RIMA, meaning that it doesn't have the dietary restrictions a straight up MAOI (like selegiline) has. So fear not.

BUT, that being said, you can eat a diet preceding taking Syrian Rue to ease the process. Syrian rue is a cleansing, purgative herb. It will increase intestinal motility (stuff moving through faster), and so you want to eat cleansing foods that move things right along:

Fruits
Veggies
Simple carbs
Stuff with insoluble fiber

Things with antioxidants are a plus.

I would recommend avoiding

Dense animal proteins like beef, pork, lamb
Other animal proteins like fish, chicken and eggs (if you can manage)
Cheese
Nut butters

^These things slow down digestion and put the body in more of an anabolic state--which is sort of contrary to the catabolic, purgative state that the Syrian Rue induces.

-not a doctor, but has experimented a lot with Syrian rue and diet
 
Thanks for the info. Would you reccomend just eating the seeds or making a tea? I'm sure the seeds would take longer to digest but the results would be the same right?
 
I've never eaten the seeds straight, so I can't tell you there. I know some people do.

I usually just brew a tea: 2.0g ground up simmered for 3 minutes or 5.0g unground simmered for 10-20 min. Those are my recipes, anyway.
 
It's not technically called "ayahuasca" if you don't use Banisteriopsis caapi. Most experienced ayahuasca users recommend going with a traditional Caapi + Chacruna mixture before messing around with other plants like Syrian Rue.

When I first started experimenting with DMT brews, I began with Mimosa Hostilis and had an extremely terrifying and dysphoric trip. I then tried Chacruna and had a much more positive experience.
 
Yeah i know i think ayahusca has kinda become something of an umbrella term and im not really sure what the brew made with acacia is called so thats why i called it aya. I would love to go and vist a shaman and experience the tradition but thats not really an option right now so i'm going with whats available
 
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I've never eaten the seeds straight, so I can't tell you there. I know some people do.

I usually just brew a tea: 2.0g ground up simmered for 3 minutes or 5.0g
unground simmered for 10-20 min. Those are my recipes, anyway.
I think i will go with the tea i think it would be easier than trying to eat a handful of seeds. And again thank you for replying with actual info regarding my question
 
Here is what i learned syrian rue causes nausea use moclobemide for a maoi instead(far easier and cheaper). Tread lightly if have no expirience with psychedelics i suggest if your dmt source gona be f.e. mimosa hostilis. if the transdimensional dose is 10g go for 1g day one, 3g next, 5g and if you still gonna want the ultimate breakthorough expirience go for it.
 
about diet. Meat is OK if it is not canned or otherwise processed. Fresh chicken is OK, but canned tuna is not OK
Anything that may involve proteins not consumed fresh may have issues with Syrian rue or other MAOIs (even RIMAs)
The issue is tyramine which is a result of the degradation of the amino acid tyrosine. If the MAOs are inhibited, tyramine will enter your bloodstream which may have nasty effects on your body.

Check this out
 
LucidShroomDmtier,

I have always enjoyed syrian rue. I rarely encounter nausea with syrian rue. Mimosa hostilis makes me vomit. After I purge the nausea fades.

When I use syrian rue I follow an MAOI diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAOI#Diet_and_drug_Interactions (No garbanzo beans, meat, cheese, or other psychoactives) The harmala alkaloids are reversible MAOIs and cause less significant interactions than irreversible MAOIs. I follow the special diet as a precautionary measure.
 
My first, and only Ayahuasca experience came December 2016. Friend of mine each year hires a Peruvian shaman guide to his home to put on ceremony for about 15 people. He knew I had relapsed after many years sober, and was struggling. He invited me I thought why not. My AA community were very judgmental, but I said why not.
Upon arrival a quick health questionnaire and interview by two of the attending guides with shaman.

I was prepared. Having been on thousands of acid/mushroom trips early in my drug career I was none too concerned, having never once had a melt down bad trip. Seen it many times. Never experienced it.
Indigenous instruments of the jungle are played, chants and meditations. After each person one by one is invited to drink a small glass of this dark beyond bitter liquid. Back to Mat. Not much happening. He invites those so inclined for second drink. I go, feeling nothing. Then a third is offered....myself and 1 other were the only ones to take the third. For me nothing was happening after some 45 minutes. Immediately upon sitting after 3rd drink it comes over me...gently and non threatening. ALL around me lined up around the perimeter of a huge room, is the sound of vomiting, crying and moans. The shaman continues playing never before heard instruments which carry me into the vibrations and the singularity of each moment becomes clear. I still haven't puked. In fact, at this point, after trying to direct my thinking to some issues i felt perhaps were blocking me, instead I had channeled Richard Pryor. Now I am struggling not to burst out in laughter, considering the tears, puking and some peoples distress. Minders worked the room guiding those struggling through. I was fucking laughing my ass off with Richard Pryor, and he is talking to me, we are conversing. A minder comes to me to check on me. I request to be allowed to go outside for a minute to laugh. I tell him what's going on. He suggests I stay, keep the rooms energy and just let out all the laughter, tears, moans whatever...I recall be self conscious about laughing, cuz I didn't want anyone to feel it was directed at them. Also it turns out, I was only one who didn't puke. At all. Stomach was fine. But man...the mouse from the vomiting was unreal. With strange music playing loops in the background. Richard said, fuck these Niggers man, I am here to laugh. And with that I bowed out these uncontrollable hysterics. I mean loud, I am falling over on my side from laughter as Richard and I examine the silliness of most beliefs. My buddy had to be escorted out by minders as he got lost.
Briefly I felt responsible. Then I saw that their were an infinite lifetimes tied up in that second.
I realized more than anything. LOVE yourself. Just LOVE yourself. Be compassionate to all. Why would you harm your body or mind. You harm them. You judge them you harm you. And the flow.

Laugh with all your body. Seek the comic in the tragic. And that singularity, ultimately, our normal consciousness is not reality. It's packaged. The whole is one. All. Bend and merge. Sound with color a memory with smell. Even physical/mental. It was awesome. Didn't do shit for drug/alcohol use
 
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