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Aus - Ice addict stabbed cop, left him for dead

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Aus - Ice addict stabbed cop, left him for dead

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AN ICE-CRAZED man who plunged a knife into the ribs of a police officer four times and left him for dead could be free from jail in little over a year.

Sen-Sgt David Reither lay bleeding to death when he called his wife and told her he didn’t know if he would make it home alive.

The dedicated officer of 26 years wanted the mother of his young son to hear it from him and not be woken by a stranger in the night.

Just moments earlier he had pulled over to help Damien Power, who he found beside a car sitting idle on the Midland Highway near Batesford.

Sen-Sgt Reither would spend the next three days in intensive care fighting for life.

Power, who was 23 at the time, was in the middle of a drug-induced psychotic episode when he yanked the handbrake of his girlfriend’s car and sent it spinning across the highway.

He was certain a creature was in the car and jumped out to investigate.

Sen-Sgt Reither just happened to be passing by when he hit the lights and pulled over to help.

Power’s worried girlfriend could not reason with him and asked the policeman for help.

But when the officer returned to his car to call 000, Power struck from behind.

Sen-Sgt Reither thought he had been punched in the ribs until he felt the blood spilling from his wounds.

In a stroke of luck, a doctor just happened to pass by and provided the critically injured policeman life-saving assistance.

Power was arrested a short time later in a nearby paddock and has spent the past 301 days in jail.

The Victorian County Court heard today that Sen-Sgt Reither was extremely lucky to be alive.

The knife fractured his ribs near the heart and cut into his diaphragm and spleen.

Blood spilled into his chest and collapsed his lung.

It was only the skill of surgeons that saved his life.

The court heard that two other police officers had faced off with Power just five days earlier on August 18 last year.

Armed with a hunting knife, the ice-crazed Power begged police to shoot him.

The kitchen hand had earlier walked into his workplace in West Geelong and ordered his colleagues out of the kitchen.

He was apprehended without incident and spent three days in the psych ward.

The court heard that Power had lived an ordinary and law-abiding life until he took up the dreaded drug ice.

Judge Gerard Mullaly described the drug as a “scourge” which had a disastrous reaction on Power’s mind.

He said the drug affected Power’s character so much that it shocked not only himself but those who knew him.

Power, of Grovedale, pleaded guilty to single counts of intentionally and recklessly causing serious injury and a count of intentionally causing injury.

He was sentenced to four years and eight months in jail with a minimum of two years.

Judge Mullaly said he took into account Power’s plea of guilty, previous good behaviour and the fact he had been in a drug-induced psychosis at the time of the offending.

However, he condemned Power’s use of ice and said police safety needed to be protected by the law.

The court heard Power had since written letters of apology to the police officers and was now drug free.

Judge Mullaly said he hoped Power would benefit from a longer parole period where he could be supervised if released early.

Power blew a kiss to his supporters as he was led back to jail.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...ord-is-sentenced/story-fni0fee2-1226959786761
 
Stimulant psycoses is awful and causes people to do awful things. Hope the officer recovers/recovered fully. I don't think he would have had to beg to get shot in the states and he would be spending a great deal of time behind bars. What he did was terrible, but its good to see it being handled so rationally. I hope he is able to stay off the meth.
 
lots of people go crazy off speed but are not violent. its bullshit.

i've had speed psychosis and yes you trip out and get incredibly paranoid and angry but stabbing someone? nahhh

i even spent four days on mephedrone/cocaine with no sleep had a pipe of weed and hallucinated skeletons crawling out of the beach with swords and could hear their armour and weapons clanging. there were faces everywhere. didn't stab anyone though, i just went to bed in a state of immense fear and madness
 
lots of people go crazy off speed but are not violent. its bullshit.

i've had speed psychosis and yes you trip out and get incredibly paranoid and angry but stabbing someone? nahhh

i even spent four days on mephedrone/cocaine with no sleep had a pipe of weed and hallucinated skeletons crawling out of the beach with swords and could hear their armour and weapons clanging. there were faces everywhere. didn't stab anyone though, i just went to bed in a state of immense fear and madness

Obviously everyone is different and most people do not become violent psychopaths, but some small % of users do, maybe it's coupled with pre existing issues of aggression or mental instability and alcohol or other drug use too, but -

Tide of evil: Drug ice linked to killings of 14 people in 14 months across Victoria

VICTORIA Police has investigated 14 homicides in as many months in which the suspected killers are thought to have been on the drug ice.

Use of crystal meth is reaching epidemic proportions, and it is now emerging as a factor in an alarming number of deaths.

The victims of the killings - some of which cannot be outlined for legal reasons - include four young women police say were murdered by men on ice.

In other cases over the 14 months, the drug is said to have heavily affected the behaviour of the person charged.

There have been a number of instances where a court has heard that people facing murder charges were in withdrawal from ice following their arrest.

Ron Iddles, the new boss of the union for the state’s 13,000 police officers, said ice had been a common factor in a string of murders.

Senior Sergeant Iddles, who last week left the homicide squad after 20 years, said there was some kind of connection to ice in the last seven murder cases his crew had investigated.

“Ice has been the common denominator,” Sen-Sgt Iddles said.

“I’ve spoken to some of the people (accused).

“They haven’t slept for four days. It makes their behaviour erratic, unpredictable.”

The Herald Sun recently reported on a case where a magistrate was told that a man suspected of murdering his girlfriend had an extreme addiction to ice.

A homicide squad detective told the court the suspect took ice immediately after murdering the young mother.

The shooting death of Kara Doyle at Avondale Heights last April was another case with a connection to ice.

Her boyfriend, Mehmet Torun, was high on the drug before the tragedy. Prosecutors have accepted a manslaughter plea from Torun.

Last month, police alleged in court that three men accused of the murder of Gordon Hamm, in the state’s southwest, were involved in the distribution of ice.

Mr Hamm, of South Australia, was dragged from his car and bashed before being put in another car and driven away from Nelson in July last year.

The 34-year-old’s body has never been found.

Four innocent motorists have lost their lives in smashes this year where police allege methamphetamine use by other drivers.

Specialist crash investigators say they have for some years been encountering cases of drivers blacking out from “rebound fatigue” after long ice binges.

“You just switch off,” one investigator said.

Brazilian national Nei Lima Da Costa is alleged to have had traces of ice in his system when he was involved in a collision in which three people died at Oakleigh lin January.

The 29-year-old Da Costa as pleaded guilty to charges over the deaths of pedestrian Anthony Parsons and couple Savvas and Ismini Menelaou, who were passengers in another car.

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Article in the paper 3 months or so ago.
 
hallucinated skeletons crawling out of the beach with swords and could hear their armour and weapons clanging. there were faces everywhere.

It was not fun at the time for you; but looking back it must have been interesting seeing and experiencing that.

A friend of mine took some MDA outside while traveling, and he said it made the clouds look like skulls.
 
I don't think its "bullshit" to blame meth psychosis for violence. Sure, plenty of those who suffer psychosis will not act violently, but you must remember one of the main symptoms of psychosis are paranoid delusions about ones own safety. Even the most non violent people can react with violence if they feel they have no other choice. Extreme delusional paranoia may not lead people to think they have no choice but to react with violence all the time, or even a majority of the time, but I have a hard time accepting the argument that it would not cause this type of reaction in a relatively significant percentage of the population. I don't think that just because somebody acts violently whilst they are under a delusion that they are protecting themselves from some type of harm means they have any kind of predisposition for violent acts.

The article about 14 homicides connected to ice in 14 months is pretty laughable to me, ofcourse each case is a tragedy but given the level of meth abuse/addiction in the part of Victoria I reside in at least, these are not high numbers in relation to the usage population. I guarantee if you looked at the murders based on money, relationship issues, religious disagreements and even alcohol fuelled violence all of these would be much higher tan meth related homicide or assault.
 
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14 deaths in 14 months is laughable and not a high number? If usage of meth gets higher and higher and people go on multi day benders we may see this number go up and up. Seems pretty serious to me.

Yeah if you looked into the murders there may be money, relationship or work issues or whatever and if they weren't on a meth binge they may not have killed the person at all.
 
In Victoria the latest data says that only 2.1% of the population used meth in the last 12 months. I'd say that statistically it is significant that only 2% of the population can be responsible for a murder every month. And that is not taking into account other violent crimes while under the influence. Considering last year there were only 94 murders in Victoria then almost 15% of murders were committed by such a small sample set.

Not every person who uses meth is a violent psychopath but unfortunately a far too great proportion of violent offenders do use meth.
 
In terms of an article attempting to portray meth as fuelling some epidemic of violence yes 14 deaths where the persons causing death were THOUGHT to have had meth in their system or was otherwise deemed to be meth related is fairly insignificant in my opinion. They have not even confirmed that each of these cases they are claiming are meth related were in fact meth related so right off the bat it is exaggerated sensationalism.

3 of those 14 cases are actually blaming meth withdrawal, not meth use, in one of these it was not even the killer coming off ice but an accomplice. I have a hard time seeing how anyone is blaming ice for this murder.

3 more of these cases it is merely alleged the killer was an ice user, not that the killing had anything to do with ice or even that they were on ice at the time they commited the crime. If someone accused of murder was an alleged MDMA user, would you automatically assume the murder had something to do with MDMA? I would bet my life savings that you would not.

One of the cases is a guy who is missing, presumed dead, with police investigating a link to ice. Absolutely anything could of happened to this guy, yet they are blaming his (not even confirmed) death on ice?

Another 3 of the cases are related to ice distribution, to my mind you cannot blame these deaths on the drug but rather the illicit status of the drug which has created an unregulated underground market where violence is often used. This is not a situation unique to ice but indeed all illicit drugs. If you want to blame these deaths on ice then you can officially no longer go around claiming nobody has died from marijuana as many are murdered annually due to the illicit trade in cannabis.

All of a sudden 10 out of the 14 cases become pretty hard to blame on ice. Of the remaining 4 cases, one of them the offender was mentally ill and was using cocaine as well as ice, so how does the focus get put onto ice?

Of the 3 out of 14 left over where the accused was confirmed to be using ice before committing murder, I very much doubt that each and every one could be blamed entirely on ice, and there is a very decent chance some of them could of happened regardless of whether the accused had taken ice or not. I mean, it stands to reason that just because someone smoked ice and committed murder that you cannot assume they only did so because they smoked ice, just as if someone drank alcohol or smoked cannabis and then committed murder one would not instantly assume that the alcohol or cannabis drove them to murder.

So yeah, when you actually take the time to look at the claims being made it is pretty laughable to even blame these 14 homicides on ice to begin with, let alone use them to try and portray ice as some drug responsible for inciting a bunch of murders. The fact of the matter is about 3 of these 14 homicides is the most anyone could try and blame the use of methamphetamine as a major contributor to the incident, based on the captions provided for each of the 14 cases in the article.

1KW, I don't know where you come up with 2% of the population used ice in Victoria in the last 12 months, I wont say my anecdotal experience is more relevant than a statistic that has presumably been reached from conducting some sort of research or survey but from what I can see a great deal more people are using this drug than that and a high percentage of users are heavy users.

In my area, in my age group, I would say that around five to ten times that number use ice. I would wager that most of these murders involved victims and perpetrators in the age groups where ice use is most prevalent, and given my experience of the large percentage of the population to use ice regularly it isn't that surprising a high number of murder victims and murderers in these age groups have may ice in their system, just as it would not be surprising if a high number of murder victims and murderers had alcohol or cannabis in their systems...

Obviously that last comment is speculative but regardless, to claim that all 14 of these murders could be blamed on ice is sensationalist and disingenuous. The fact of the matter is it is probably more like 3 or 4.

If this were an article blaming 14 murders on cannabis I am sure you would be up in arms needing proof and thinking logically, but for some reason when it comes to ice you swallow exaggerated crap hook line and sinker, presumably without even bothering to read the entire content of the very article you posted. (I assume you didn't bother to read the captions or you wouldn't be agreeing with the claim meth was responsible for all 14 deaths)

I don't know why you have such a bias against ice and ice users but you may want to rethink it.
 
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lol, I read the captions, if that's what you believe then thats fine, I'm not about to argue on cases I know nothing about.

I'm not going to rethink the way I think about ice or my views. Just the way I am. If it were crack or heroin or bath salts or cannabis or whatever i'd just post my thoughts.

There are ice related murders every now and then, we just had one in Syd recently, guy was shot and thrown in the water over an ice deal gone wrong/ripoff. Or isn't that really ice related either?
 
If you read the captions, and you don't want to argue about cases you know nothing about, then why are you claiming 14 ice related deaths? Is it reasonable to you to blame a drug for the death of a man who is missing due to unknown circumstances and may not even be dead? If you acknowledge that it is not then the article you are posting about the evils of ice is hardly credible, is it?

You're right, you know nothing about the cases, neither do I, aside from what is written in those captions. On the basis of what is written there it is hardly reasonable for the author to claim ice is responsible for 14 deaths, for all the reasons I already pointed out.

Of course the death you refer to is ice RELATED, as the drug deal in question relates to ice, however I would not blame the homicide on the drug ice but rather drug prohibition. It is funny because I have seen you acknowledge on here before how drug prohibition creates a black market which leads to violence, but for some reason when this happens in relation to meth you treat it differently and it is the drugs fault, not prohibition? That isn't a very consistent or intelligent point of view, in my opinion. Surely if you want to blame a homicide over a drug deal on meth then you must blame cannabis for all the homicides that have been carried out in relation to sale of that drug?

What I really don't understand, is that on one hand you decide to apply critical thinking and logic when a journalist writes a sensationalist piece of shit about a drug you enjoy or once part took in, say cannabis or MDMA for example, but when it comes to a drug you don't use, you are not willing to apply the same standard.

Do you think it is fair to assume that if somebody smokes meth, then goes on to kill someone whilst they are under the influence of meth that the meth drove them to kill? (as the article you posted has done) If so, do you think it is fair to assume the same of someone who consumed cannabis or MDMA then went on to kill someone under the influence of those drugs? If not, what is the difference?
 
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1KW, I don't know where you come up with 2% of the population used ice in Victoria in the last 12 months, I wont say my anecdotal experience is more relevant than a statistic that has presumably been reached from conducting some sort of research or survey but from what I can see a great deal more people are using this drug than that and a high percentage of users are heavy users.
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/topics/quick-statistics#amphetamines

If you live in a ghetto, all your family and friends use and you hang around Bluelight I can see how you might think that 2% is low. Reality is the drug use as a whole in Australia is around 10%, with meth being a very small percentage. Trouble for your buck though it is leaps and bounds ahead of any other drug abused.
 
I wouldn't say I live in a ghetto although it certainly isn't an affluent area.

Pretty much every tradie I have ever known or worked with has been a meth user, first time I ever used ice was at work and at that particular work place meth was not only the norm, but there wasn't a person employed there who did not use it regularly. If I go out to the local clubs on the weekend you can bet a very high percentage of patrons would be high on ice. Five years ago nobody I knew who didn't work a trade would touch the shit but these days I can't think of anybody I know who uses drugs that isn't either a current meth user or someone who sworn off it after having issues keeping their use of the drug moderate.

My area is pretty ravaged by meth at the moment, and I am in the 20-29 age bracket that I believe are the highest users of methamphetamine, I was certainly not trying to say 10% or more of Australia are regular meth users, but 2.1% using in the last 12 months seems pretty low to me. I wont state the study is wrong because it is obviously more credible than my anecdotal experience, perhaps the paranoid nature of a lot of meth users could perhaps lead to less meth users self reporting use of the drug as compared to other drugs, or perhaps there are whole areas opposite to mine where basically nobody is on the stuff.

I don't think it is correct to say meth use makes up a very small percentage of drug use in Australia, I am fairly certain it would be second only to cannabis or perhaps third behind cannabis and 'ecstasy'. It is certainly the drug I see used the most behind cannabis and seems to make up a very high percentage of drug seizures reported in the news in this Country.

Regardless of whether 21%, 2.1% or 0.21% of Australia use meth it doesn't change the fact that the article I referred to is sensationalist crap and to blame a majority of those 14 homicides on meth is clearly clutching at straws.

I don't think your claim that meth is "leaps and bounds ahead of any other drug abused" in terms of trouble for your buck is correct either, frankly I think that title belongs to alcohol and I say that as someone who much prefers alcohol to meth. Speaking from personal experience I tend to make much worse decisions on GABAergic drugs than I do on meth and I think that would be true of most people who aren't staying up for several days.
 
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It was not fun at the time for you; but looking back it must have been interesting seeing and experiencing that.

A friend of mine took some MDA outside while traveling, and he said it made the clouds look like skulls.

yes its was very beautiful and it felt amazing but crazy, i thought they were the dead from battles in history long ago, plus that place had lots of invasions in the past long ago
 
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