Seems like a stupid question but my friends that use meth only say it doesn't have withdraw like opiates...some of you may have seen my post trying to come 15-20 fent/ blues a day and in my 18 years addiction to opiates, I had never tried meth .... untill this morning and damn it felt fucking amazing!!! I'm curious if I could kinda transfer my usage from the fent over to meth then maybe have an easier time getting eventually off the meth?
Sounds wacky but I made it today on only 8 pills and hitting the meth pipe a couple times.. I'm trying to see some logic here but feel like a fool as I type this .
I can attest to the benefits of methamphetamine use for opioid withdrawal and how it has helped me greatly. First of all I will say this...if you're looking for a cure-all this is not it..BUT..if you're looking for your symptoms to be managed and withdrawal to be very limited you're going in the right direction. I withdrew from Suboxone after years on Fentanyl, medical grade only because I had graduated early after my war experience in 2008. I had found myself addicted to ANYTHING that would get me fucked up in order to not deal with my problems, substance use is a side effect of bigger problems after all. Thirty years of addiction and more then a few rehabs, inpatient visits and lots of self reflection later, I can say this: If you're coming straight from opioids, it lessens the withdrawal slightly, if you're on Methadone which is a full agonist it would lessen your withdrawal slightly but manageable as in the first case. If you're coming from a full agonist such as heroin, fentanyl, methadone, it will lessen it slightly, but fully manageable. COMING FROM a partial agonist such as Suboxone, Subutex, NOT NALOXONE, it is completely manageable and you barely will feel the worst of your problems; diarrhea, shakes, convulsions, anxiety, depression. Coming off of a full antagonist such as Naloxone you will feel every methamphetamine effects after a few hours like you were sober beforehand with your receptors clogged or highjacked by an antagonist. IF you have previously used opiates for an extended period of time you WILL become baseline, unless of course you're using fentanyl which has an extreme affinity to bind to receptors and take over whatever mu receptors you have available, instead of letting things take it's course. You're in a good position IF: You have obstained from use for at least 12 hours(fentanyl has a long half-life, 8-12 hours - as compared to heroin, which has comparatively less @ less than an hour.) AND you have your head straight and consciously know that you're doing this for reasons of being sober, I would ABSOLUTELY 100% suggest amphetamines or methamphetamines. Things get bad as you all know, and the one of the biggest reasons people don't stop use is fear of the withdrawal. This route will make you baseline, unable to get the "rush" from the methamphetamines (in the euphoric way) while distracting your mind to not focus on certain negative effects of full blown opioid agonist inactivity once stopping and dealing with the effects of not having those available. Along with Imodium (the suggested dose, not 5 or 6 to fill the place of the opiate receptors in your head, yes Imodium is an agonist but doesn't pass the blood/brain barrier) and some anti anxiety medication, which could come in the form of antihistamines(preferably) certainly not benzodiazapines like Xanax, Valium, or Klonopin unless used for only a few days. Being addicts, who can resist a good break from reality? It's my favorite pastime and those that aren't addicts haven't really experienced the extreme joy or false sense of safety that drugs like all opioid / dopamine receptor agonist can provide. YOU WILL have significantly less anxiety, regular bowel movements or slightly off; almost non-existent withdrawal. But YOU WILL NOT have better sleep(it will come months later depending on length of use) and absolutely WILL NOT be straight in your head, meaning happiness will be non-existent. BASELINE. This is to get better, not create the kind of experience you enjoyed from drugs. It WILL NOT be a pleasant experience, but it WILL SIGNIFICANTLY, DRASTICALLY, EXPONENTIALLY reduce opioid withdrawal. If you're strong of mind and ready to quit, I would HIGHLY suggest this route as apposed to full blown withdrawal that comes with going cold turkey. It's almost painless in its effect, albeit the mental depression and lethargy. Methamphetamine with continue to block reuptake of dopamine while your body adjusts to life without. You will feel EVERY physical effect on the CNS though such as high heart rate, ringing in the ears, inability to sleep compounded by the fact opiates have disturbed your sleep pattern and the effects on your adrenaline, slight paranoia and wanting to do things but unable because you're lacking the motivation. Stock up on Seroquel, antihistamines, and a shot of liquor once bi-nightly to facilitate sleep, any more will hider your deep rest more then it already has. You won't be able to sleep every night because of the CNS effects of the methamphetamines and sleep disruptions opiates bring but even while awake you will be content in your suffering. Keep in mind this is for the better. When you're 1-2 weeks of of opiates, stop methamphetamine cold preferably after you've been up for longer than 24-48 hours, which will allow you sleep through most of the depressive withdrawal that methamphetamine brings with it. You will still have no happiness or motivation to do anything, but you won't shit yourself, you won't feel your skin crawl and want to jump out of it. You won't be puking up dinner, lunch, or breakfast you never had because you're remembering to force eating at least twice daily, RIGHT? No racing thoughts and preoccupation with withdrawal symptoms and what you're going through. No jerking of the limbs and body(although I am a big believer that masturbating facilitates a sense of happiness when going through such things as withdrawal lol). Full blown opioid withdrawal is not something you want to commit to half-ass. MAKE A PLAN AND STICK TO IT. Why the fuck else are you going to put yourself through potentially literal hell just to come out of the other side addicted to a different substance? Even though the other substances you may or may not use has a withdrawal doesn't hold a candle to the former, be vigilant, know yourself and your anatomy. After your receptors are free of dependence, which will be about a week, sometimes a tad bit longer, STOP EVERYTHING. No methamphetamine, no Imodium, no Vistaril, no Benadryl. Stop it all. You will be depressed, you will be hungry, you will be lethargic and unmotivated if you've used for a long period but you will be fine. If someone says that methamphetamine will just take the place of the other, I say they haven't experienced the debilitating effects that a massive opioid addiction, coupled with an extremely high affinity to receptor binding drug like fentanyl or Suboxone, can do to the psyche and body. You may not sleep right for a month or so but you will be sober and on your way to recovery. My suggestion is to get a therapist afterwards and figure out why you're doping yourself up in the first place.
Remember: Opioid Agonist this is fine or partial agonist this is fine, but have a plan. If you're not addicted, this is a sure fire way to become addicted. A week of hard opiate use is nothing fun but manageable. This is for experienced, high dosed, long-term (years) addicts who are addicted to opiates and know the dangers, but want a smooth and painless comedown. Good luck my friend, and may we see you on the other side.
I know this is an older post, but I think holds extremely valuable information that one could use to withdrawl painlessly.
Seems like a stupid question but my friends that use meth only say it doesn't have withdraw like opiates...some of you may have seen my post trying to come 15-20 fent/ blues a day and in my 18 years addiction to opiates, I had never tried meth .... untill this morning and damn it felt fucking amazing!!! I'm curious if I could kinda transfer my usage from the fent over to meth then maybe have an easier time getting eventually off the meth?
Sounds wacky but I made it today on only 8 pills and hitting the meth pipe a couple times.. I'm trying to see some logic here but feel like a fool as I type this .
