any doctors who specialize in MDMA around the world?

[rollonsafely]

"Sass" or MDA is also supposed to be white if made correctly

Unless you are talking about something else?

 

[DJRolling]

"Sass" or MDA is also supposed to be white if made correctly

Unless you are talking about something else?

yeah MDA would look the same, although in my neighborhood MDA is off colored crystal and MDMA is usually more powdery and always white, I assume just to differentiate the two, as neither is very close to pure IME

 

[pmz]

great, im so fucked. I wish I could post a pic. besides taking as much as I did, it took shitty molly. Even though it tested up good, i guess it was still bunk.

 

[swedger77]

Wow and you acuse me of repeating myself.

Again a big question has to be asked why you would want to come into a support thread and say this abusive crap all the time.

Your not helping anyone so why bother?

I would say judging by this repeated abuse to people suffering you must suffer from some type of mental problem or social disorder yourself.

I was speaking in general terms. However if the caps fits feel free to wear it, however none of my post was/is meant to be abusive. Was it abusive?

Your always a bit keen to make out I have some major issue with you personally, making out I'm a bully and abusive. Have mods been ignoring all this? NO. I have a different opinion to yours and am entitled to air these views here to add a different perspective to yours. Put me on ignore if my alleged bullying is getting too much or report my abusive posts.

Saying in general terms that certain individuals may of ended up with mental health issues is NOT abusive and suggesting that taking MDMA has triggered these seems to run true in all these threads were folk are suffering anxiety post MDMA use.

you must suffer from some type of mental problem or social disorder yourself.]

I don't think so, but If I read up enough I'm sure I could find something that applies to me and when I do I'll create new thread.

 

[futura2012]

I was speaking in general terms. However if the caps fits feel free to wear it, however none of my post was/is meant to be abusive. Was it abusive?

Your ignorance defies belief sometimes. Heres a breakdown of why your comment is abusive.

There is a fairly good chance that a lot of these stories are just regular mental health issues. If you combine hypochondria, OCD and anxiety you end up with a massive cluster fuck. In the cases I'm reading here MDMA may well of been the trigger.

By suggesting story you are incinuating that the OP or other posters are writing some form of fiction or entertainment. VERY INSULTING.

Suggesting that its not the drugs to blaim and just a regular mental health issue. VERY INSULTING

Suggesting hypochondria. VERY INSULTING

That answers your question of why your post was insulting. Now answer mine - How was that post meant to help or support anyone?

Your always a bit keen to make out I have some major issue with you personally, making out I'm a bully and abusive.

If you read what I said it mentioned nothing about me personally. I do agree however that you are a bully and abusive. Its only aimed at people suffering I notice.

Put me on ignore if my alleged bullying is getting too much or report my abusive posts.

I have no intention of reporting anything or ignoring you. I am sure others can judge for themselves.

Saying in general terms that certain individuals may of ended up with mental health issues is NOT abusive

Suggesting people are telling stories and saying that its not drugs and just a mental health issue IS insulting.

I don't think so, but If I read up enough I'm sure I could find something that applies to me and when I do I'll create new thread.

So you harp on about how your not insulting anyone then finally say this? Dearey me.

 

[swedger77]

Your waaay oversensitive dude. Ok I said "story" when I should of said thread/post, although some of these posts on here recently do indeed read like a novel, partially why I can keep away. - no offence meant

Suggesting that its not the drugs to blaim and just a regular mental health issue. VERY INSULTING

How on earth is that an insult? Its possibly true. 1 in 4 people will experience some kind of mental health problem in the course of a year http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-statistics/)

so there is a good chance some of these folk are on this very forum as you read.

Suggesting hypochondria. VERY INSULTING

This suggestion can be expected when folk have a list as long as their arm of issues. As someone else has suggested there is a definite air of medical student syndrome amongst these threads. I think that is more appropriate than hypochondria so please accept my heartfelt appologies. I need to read up more on the differences.

Now answer mine - How was that post meant to help or support anyone?

Ok, easy.

I hope that by putting other ideas out there that young impressionable people reading these forums will not attribute the normal feelings on a comedown to anything more sinister as detailed in lots of these posts. Id hate to see folk asking their doctor for Electro Convulsive Therapy 8( Im putting out there possible alternative explanations to whats going on. People can then make their own minds up. As you know Im all about have a balanced forum, including all the long term comedown threads. If I don't put an alternative angle on things it just becomes an endless list of folk detailing their issues.

you are a bully and abusive]

your being hypersensitive.

I have no intention of reporting anything or ignoring you. I am sure others can judge for themselves.

Im sure they will.


MODs please step in if my abuse and bullying is breaching the BLUA

 

[DJRolling]

I don't think mr. swedger was ever saying that people such as the OP are lying to anyone. I agree that if someone were to take MDMA, and felt unlike themselves for a long period of time afterwards, thinking the MDMA was responsible makes some sense.
however, it is believed that a portion of the population is born with mental illness' that remain dormant (think about someone with addictive genes, you don't sudden realize you love alcohol and start drinking all day, you have to TRY it first, eventually triggering the addiction) for perhaps an indefinite amount of time. think of these disorders as a timed explosive, it will one day tick down to zero and go off (like schizophrenia, usually around the early 20s) but somewhere along the way someone might pull the wrong wire and it goes off on the spot. drugs, especially drugs with some sort of psychedelic properties, are great at pulling that wire.

this reaction is not terribly uncommon. yes, taking MDMA may have pulled the trigger, but perhaps the weapon was loaded and cocked when he was born. "he" referring to a hypothetical person, please note i'm talking about a possibility, not the OP.

is this the drugs fault? maybe in some small way, but what drug was taken isn't important, so the quality/contents of the MDMA doesn't matter. the drug in this situation did not damage the person's brain or anything of the sort, it merely told the brain there are new ways to think, and the brain let go of it's dormant illness, and it ran rampant,

to the OP specifically, please seek professional help. if you aren't underage there's no reason not to tell a therapist exactly what happened, the truth. she might want you to take SSRI's but she will be able to get a better idea of what is truly wrong. MDMA is not a field of study for doctors (an MDMA doctor would be a doctor that does sessions with war vets or PTSD sufferers who are given the drug). at best you will find a drug abuse specialist, probably one who specializes in stimulant dependency. that is not going to help you, since you are not an amphetamine addict. seriously, a therapist, or even a psychiatrist. you can tell these people what you did and they will do everything they can to help you. and if you tell them everything they need to know, I think they can help a ton bro.

I wish you all the best my brother, things WILL get better, the bluelight is rooting for you man.

peace&love

 

[kr1nge]

I had a serotonin overdose 16 months ago, and i'm still jolting at night whenever I start to fall asleep, I still have frequent panic attacks, I started losing my hair, and I've lost my ability to cry or maintain an erection about a month ago. The anxiety and visual disturbances are not as bad as the first few months, so I sure hope my brain is rewiring at this point.
I guess my only advice would be to ride it out and try to get a benzo prescription for those really really bad times

 

[futura2012]

Your waaay oversensitive dude. Ok I said "story" when I should of said thread/post, although some of these posts on here recently do indeed read like a novel, partially why I can keep away. - no offence meant

So you deny meaning the word story then actually confirm you read support threads like novels??? You joker.

You then confess to enjoying reading the support threads because of their novelty value. You seriously do have a problem.

How on earth is that an insult? Its possibly true. 1 in 4 people will experience some kind of mental health problem in the course of a year http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-...th-statistics/) so there is a good chance some of these folk are on this very forum as you read.

I am 100% sure that the majority of the problems you read about would be around if it weren't for drugs. If you actually showed some kind of sympathy and compassion for what people are saying you will realise that the majority of people suffering had zero mental health issues prior to this misery and were living perfectly normal lives.

Coming into a support thread like this and saying its due to a mental health problem in this context is VERY INSULTING. I think we have to beg to differ on that one.

However, im starting to realsie now they are designed to be insulting as you have now fessed up to taking delight at reading these so called novels.

This suggestion can be expected when folk have a list as long as their arm of issues. As someone else has suggested there is a definite air of medical student syndrome amongst these threads. I think that is more appropriate than hypochondria so please accept my heartfelt appologies. I need to read up more on the differences.

More insults oh dear.

No YOU are suggesting medical student syndrome please dont try and suggest a third party is in the mix. How do you honestly know what people are going through. You obviously have no clue. You take delight in hurling this kind of sarcastic BS in support threads thats all you ever do. I can see from the comments you are making you actually enjoy it.

I hope that by putting other ideas out there that young impressionable people reading these forums will not attribute the normal feelings on a comedown to anything more sinister as detailed in lots of these posts.

So in order to protect someone from experiencing Tuesday blues you see it as your mission to come into every support thread and suggest the OP is making up stories and probably already had mental health problems. If this is so important to you why dont you make up your own threads to cover this topic? The reason is because you get a sense of enjoyment out of coming into these threads and upsetting people and winding them up. Think about it you are tormenting sufferers for your own sadistic kicks. nice!

Id hate to see folk asking their doctor for Electro Convulsive Therapy Im putting out there possible alternative explanations to whats going on. People can then make their own minds up. As you know Im all about have a balanced forum, including all the long term comedown threads. If I don't put an alternative angle on things it just becomes an endless list of folk detailing their issues.

Its a Harm Reduction Forum you nonce as repeated now a zillion times. What do you honestly expect in here? Its not an endless list as we discussed before and I even took the time to itemise it. The support threads are only a small percentage of all the other threads. You are just making these figures up to try and condone your sadistic bully boy antagonistic comments. It is becoming very clear you are just doing this for enjoyment purposes and attention.

I don't think mr. swedger was ever saying that people such as the OP are lying to anyone.

I would suggest you take a look at the history of comments from Swedger in ALL the support forums. He hates people suffering and seems to think they are making up half there issues but also cant resist antagonizing people in every support thread. if you think hes so right why don't you join him in his sickening crusade.

however, it is believed that a portion of the population is born with mental illness' that remain dormant (think about someone with addictive genes, you don't sudden realize you love alcohol and start drinking all day, you have to TRY it first, eventually triggering the addiction) for perhaps an indefinite amount of time. think of these disorders as a timed explosive, it will one day tick down to zero and go off (like schizophrenia, usually around the early 20s) but somewhere along the way someone might pull the wrong wire and it goes off on the spot. drugs, especially drugs with some sort of psychedelic properties, are great at pulling that wire.

The idea of a support thread is as it means. You SUPPORT someone. Trying to analise if someone may or may not have suffered from an underlying mental health disorder prior to their MDMA consumption is an irrelevance. If they need help and support then its kind of like trying to figure out what drug they took, you will never know, it really doesn't matter.

What does matter is morons coming into the thread and trying to suggest the OP or anyone else must have a mental health disorder as opposed to helping or being supportive.

this reaction is not terribly uncommon. yes, taking MDMA may have pulled the trigger, but perhaps the weapon was loaded and cocked when he was born. "he" referring to a hypothetical person, please note i'm talking about a possibility, not the OP.

All very theoretical and maybe maybe maybe. Certainly not factual evidence for people to bass their bully boy attacks around.

is this the drugs fault? maybe in some small way, but what drug was taken isn't important, so the quality/contents of the MDMA doesn't matter. the drug in this situation did not damage the person's brain or anything of the sort, it merely told the brain there are new ways to think, and the brain let go of it's dormant illness, and it ran rampant,

Agreed what drug was taken unimportant. Otherwise everything else you say is a theory nothing more. You cant prove any of this one way or another its certainly not fuel to come into a support thread and start abusing people like Swedger likes to do.

to the OP specifically, please seek professional help. if you aren't underage there's no reason not to tell a therapist exactly what happened, the truth. she might want you to take SSRI's but she will be able to get a better idea of what is truly wrong. MDMA is not a field of study for doctors (an MDMA doctor would be a doctor that does sessions with war vets or PTSD sufferers who are given the drug). at best you will find a drug abuse specialist, probably one who specializes in stimulant dependency. that is not going to help you, since you are not an amphetamine addict. seriously, a therapist, or even a psychiatrist. you can tell these people what you did and they will do everything they can to help you. and if you tell them everything they need to know, I think they can help a ton bro.

Im not really sure what point you are trying to make here. On the one hand you are saying seek help and fully fess up to drugs then on the other you are saying the medical profession lacks knowledge with drug related issues and doesnt know shit. Odd??

 

[DJRolling]

actually, I said that MDMA is NOT something a doctor you can just go to at the local hospital has as an expertise (IE pain management, neurology, addiction, dermatology, etc.) there are doctors that specialize in drug abuse, taking MDMA once every few months is NOT abuse, the OP was responsible as possible without lab testing his stuff by the looks of things. a shrink knows how the brain works, and can draw conclusions from what the patient tells them. pmz does not have an issue with drugs, the only important part of his current mental state that involves drugs is that he began to feel a certain way after taking one drug, on one night.

I think you would rather try to make people look like monsters than help the person seeking guidance. if you would like to say anything else to me, feel free to send me a PM because you are not helping him. we are talking about psychological issues, not drug issues.

my point is that if he goes to his GP and tells him "I took ecstacy and now I don't feel right, it's hurting my personal life" he will get sent to rehab. if he were to make a meeting with a therapist and told them "i'm feeling XY&Z, I took MDMA this long ago, and I think it released some sort of issue in my psyche" the therapist, after confirming the patient is no longer using drugs, will focus on the XYZ he feels. that's the point, don't go to a doctor, they will not help you, see a shrink.

again to the OP I wish you the best of luck whether or not anything I have said helps you. try to relax and do everything possible to enjoy something, anything. regardless of how anything said may be interpreted, I believe everyone here is trying to help and wishes to see you better. this thread has gotten sort of derailed so I will go elsewhere, but PM's are always welcome with open arms.

peace&love

 

[futura2012]

pmz does not have an issue with drugs, the only important part of his current mental state that involves drugs is that he began to feel a certain way after taking one drug, on one night.

Depends what you mean by issue. Does he have an addiction problem? No. Does he have ongoing symptoms caused by MDMA or other unknown drugs? Yes. Does reminding him that 4in10 or what ever people have mental health problems anyway help? No because he has already said he had no issues prior to this incident.

I think you would rather try to make people look like monsters than help the person seeking guidance. if you would like to say anything else to me, feel free to send me a PM because you are not helping him. we are talking about psychological issues, not drug issues.

Defending sufferers from verbal abuse as witnessed by Swedger is what I am doing not demonising. You only have to look at his sadistic sarcastic tone to see that. I have been helping PMZ for weeks so you are very wrong about me there. We are talking about someone who was one minute fine, took some drugs and the next minute is very fucked up that in my eyes is an issue caused by drugs not just psychological as you claim.

my point is that if he goes to his GP and tells him "I took ecstacy and now I don't feel right, it's hurting my personal life" he will get sent to rehab.

I dont agree with this. Rehab is associated with addiction issues not a one off MDMA incident. More likely the GP will either refer or issue some kind of light first line approach AD such as citralopram and possibly some benzos for accute relief.

if he were to make a meeting with a therapist and told them "i'm feeling XY&Z, I took MDMA this long ago, and I think it released some sort of issue in my psyche" the therapist, after confirming the patient is no longer using drugs, will focus on the XYZ he feels. that's the point, don't go to a doctor, they will not help you, see a shrink.

Do you mean a therapist or psychiatrist or both? The road of medication is a debatable one. If the OP or whoever else is in a similiar state then persaonally I would say sweating it out for 6 months is better than being medicated but that is a personal choice for the individual to decide.

 

[TheShowMustGoOn]

hi pmz
I very rarely post on bl but your situation sounded very similar to my thought pattern and what I was going through. Just wanted to advise you that this does not mean your life will stop for years to come...go out with your friends, continue as you were before, you'll see that the anxiety and . depression will come off in layers...like an onion. Maybe there is worse to come, maybe there isn't...just deal with it when you get there, it's the anxiety that leaves you with the thoughts that your life is over for a few years, but just try and get on with it, easier said than done but it'll do you much better than obsessing over here.
Another point, appreciate that your family are supportive... my parents are crazy strict and I would probably be disowned or worse if they ever knew that I took mdma ONCE, was the only time I ever did drugs and screwed me up pretty well! so I'm basically in this alone
I myself am almost 8 months through...I'm still waiting for this change that fbc was referring to six months in, but I try not to concern myself with it...
actually one of the most inspirational quotes that helped me accept this is from Harry potter
"what will come will come and we'll meet it when it does" -Hagrid

anyway enough rambling...good luck and keep your hopes up
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[swedger77]

you read support threads like novels???

In they way that I always want to read more to find out the next development.

Coming into a support thread like this and saying its due to a mental health problem in this context is VERY INSULTING.

Im saying it could be due to mental health issues. As i detailed 1 in 4 suffer in this area (mental health issues) according to the stats i linked to.

No YOU are suggesting medical student syndrome please dont try and suggest a third party is in the mix.]

What? A third party like Dawglaw? (former longterm comedown sufferer I may point out)

Your brain and body are not damaged. You stressed yourself out and triggered some anxiety. I have been in your shoes before.

Medical student syndrome is very real. Stay off BL, do not google your "symptoms", you are only going to make things harder on yourself.

Go get CBT, it did wonders for me in convincing myself that my problems were all anxiety based and then it helped me learn how to deal with that nasty anxiety.

Moving on.....

Trying to analise if someone may or may not have suffered from an underlying mental health disorder prior to their MDMA consumption is an irrelevance. ]

I could not disagree more. It is relevant. Very. MDMA could of been the trigger.

Its a Harm Reduction Forum you nonce

In the United Kingdom, nonce is a slang word for a sex offender or child sexual abuser - So let me get this straight. I have a different opinion to yours and put forward contrasting opinions and therefore im a paedophile? - Yet you insist I'm the bully and the one throwing the insults Futura2012?

But Child Sex Abusing aside

I don't think mr. swedger was ever saying that people such as the OP are lying to anyone.

Praise the Lord! Someone who is actually getting what I'm saying . One day...you will too.

 

[futura2012]

The first four points im not going to bother individually answering as we are going round in circles.

I have noticed on multiple occasions you like to come into support threads and torment people with abusive comments. If you wish to justify this as some kind of protection crusade to protect non sufferers from getting frightened then fine. It is pretty clear to me you are doing it for your own sadistic pleasure. Our opinions clearly differ.

I could not disagree more. It is relevant. Very. MDMA could of been the trigger.

In the context of what I said was - that trying to analyise if someone may or may not have a pre existing mental health problem is irrelevant in terms of support. For a start you are not going to know whether they do or dont have a pre existing mental health problem and secondly the support offered is for the treatment not the cause.

I can see that you just take delight in constantly reminding suffers about these meaningless mental health figures you keep quoting because you can use them to torment and upset people. Other than that in the context of support they have zero value.

In the United Kingdom, nonce is a slang word for a sex offender or child sexual abuser - So let me get this straight. I have a different opinion to yours and put forward contrasting opinions and therefore im a paedophile? - Yet you insist I'm the bully and the one throwing the insults Futura2012? But Child Sex Abusing aside

I would suggest before you get on your high horse you might want to revisit the link you just submitted. This is what is written in your definition link

it later become a more general term of abuse approximately synonymous with "idiot".

What do you think I was calling you a child molester or an IDIOT you dumb ass.

I don't think mr. swedger was ever saying that people such as the OP are lying to anyone.
Praise the Lord! Someone who is actually getting what I'm saying . One day...you will too.

You come into support threads and accuse people of making up stories, talking fiction, being a hypochondriac and accuse them of having Medical student syndrome.

It seems you misunderstand half the time what you are actually saying.

If it had escaped your notice all of those accusations suggest the OP is lying.

 

[futura2012]

The first four points im not going to bother individually answering as we are going round in circles.

I have noticed on multiple occasions you like to come into support threads and torment people with abusive comments. If you wish to justify this as some kind of protection crusade to protect non sufferers from getting frightened then fine. It is pretty clear to me you are doing it for your own sadistic pleasure. Our opinions clearly differ.

I could not disagree more. It is relevant. Very. MDMA could of been the trigger.

In the context of what I said was - that trying to analyise if someone may or may not have a pre existing mental health problem is irrelevant in terms of support. For a start you are not going to know whether they do or dont have a pre existing mental health problem and secondly the support offered is for the treatment not the cause.

I can see that you just take delight in constantly reminding suffers about these meaningless mental health figures you keep quoting because you can use them to torment and upset people. Other than that in the context of support they have zero value.

In the United Kingdom, nonce is a slang word for a sex offender or child sexual abuser - So let me get this straight. I have a different opinion to yours and put forward contrasting opinions and therefore im a paedophile? - Yet you insist I'm the bully and the one throwing the insults Futura2012? But Child Sex Abusing aside

I would suggest before you get on your high horse you might want to revisit the link you just submitted. This is what is written in your definition link

it later become a more general term of abuse approximately synonymous with "idiot".

What do you think I was calling you a child molester or an IDIOT you dumb ass.

I don't think mr. swedger was ever saying that people such as the OP are lying to anyone.
Praise the Lord! Someone who is actually getting what I'm saying . One day...you will too.

You come into support threads and accuse people of making up stories, talking fiction, being a hypochondriac and accuse them of having Medical student syndrome.

It seems you misunderstand half the time what you are actually saying.

If it had escaped your notice all of those accusations suggest the OP is lying.

 

[swedger77]

Don't sulk when people have different opinions matey.

You come into support threads and accuse people of making up stories, talking fiction, being a hypochondriac and accuse them of having Medical student syndrome.

I ve not accused anyone of making things up or lying (where?). I am suggesting it might not just be a fucking massive comedown that lasts for years but anxiety based disorder, possibly triggered by MDMA. Im not saying folk are lying, or making up what they are feeling. It might just not all be down to MDMA. Im not proposing anything more complex than that. Reading all these thread could possible increase some ones anxiety. (old news, my views, you know that, probably did not need to repeat) Which inturn increase all the negative symptoms.

Medical Student Syndrome is a proper condition and it does fit in nicely with my suggested idea.

Every day there is someone else who comes back into this forum saying am actually fine.......it took time but the best thing you can do is stop reading all the comedown support threads. (or in similar words), rest, eat, and sleep etc.

Anyway....its clear we're not going to agree on these topics but I'm not stopping putting another angle into these posts unless Im offending everyone. Its only you who seems to be a bit uptight about my alternative views. (Perhaps this is part and parcel of whatever it is your experiencing)

Not one other person has said they felt insulted, abused or bullied. You do seem to be taking everything I post as some personal attack, which it is not and never has been.

If i had said "Futura2012 you need to get a fucking grip!" I could see where you were coming from......but suggesting, "people" might by suffering medical student syndrome, hyprecondria, low testosterone etc etc is not insulting.

Thanks for the clarification on your use of nonce. I'd rather be labelled and idiot (a happy idiot preferably) than a child sex abuser.

I shall now dismount from my high horse.

 

[DJRolling]

this really has gotten out of hand.
to the OP, if you would like to continue talking to people and getting input from me and other bluelighters you might want a new thread, since I wouls suggest a moderator to close this, due to some people becoming too selfish to just post any helpful advice, choosing to flame other members instead.

to everyone else, we are NOT helping him anymore with all this arguing, there might be some bad blood between some of the BLers here but we should be focusing on our friend here who asked us for help. he deserves that help.

 

[Inflorescence]

Some interesting and useful reading I hope here for you.

The strange case of the man who took 40,000 ecstasy pills in nine years

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.drugs1

 

[Yellow-Pudding]

mdma therapy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm9c9XiRl1A

 

[o3zz]

Hey pmz, i know this is an old thread, but im going through the same issue. 4 months ago i took 600mg of pure MDMA and still suffering all the common side effects till today.

How do you feel now 3 years later?