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Alcoholism Discussion Thread Version 7.0

Jenny325- I never experienced your level of alcohol withdrawls, but I do know what it's like trying to get sober and being unable to drink water. The dehydration that comes with sobering up and sweating uncontrollably can be enough to kill you by itself. The only advice I can offer is my trick for getting water into your body.
First : a bath or shower. At least 30 minutes to an hour a few times a day. Be careful to keep it at a cool temperature. Too warm and you'll just make yourself sweat and make it worse. Your skin is the biggest organ in your body and it can absorb plenty of water over time. If you can, a swimming pool or the ocean works better.
Second: If you're desperate.... A plain water enema. Your colon can absorb plenty of water and could make a huge difference if you're dehydrated and too nauseous to drink water. Hold the water inside yourself for 10 minutes at a time whilst on the toilet. Do it once an hour or two until your urine runs clear.
There is no magic to this. It will take at least a day or two. But maybe it can help get you through. Good luck.
 
Moreaux said:
So sorry to hear your recent experiences Jenny. I am so frustrated for you. You stated previously that you're an American living abroad, can you come back to the State for treatment? I've heard of many other addicts in your area receiving horrible treatment or lack of treatment, it's sad and unacceptable, and very dangerous.

As horrible as it is, if lying to get into the ER doesn't yield results then keep drinking until your appointment. Stopping and starting drinking is dangerous and actually causes worse damage, and withdrawals get worse with each stopping as alcohol (and other GABAergics) cause a kindling effect.

Kindling

Please keep us updated and or let us know if you need anything. Try to stay positive - you will get through this.
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Sorry you have been feeling so bad Jenny. When I read your posts I remembered some of the worst moments in withdrawal and that feeling of hallucination you said, like we often feel in nightmares, horrible. I really hope you get better soon and that your appointment is actually worth it.

As for the withdrawals Moreaux mentioned above, it's awful and it does get worst every time you stop.
I thought that happened only with opiates but I can see that drinking can be just as dangerous or even worst.

Keep in touch. I can feel you have good vibes from us all.
Hang in there. I know that time seems to be passing very slowly but it will be better soon.
 
Yeah Jenny, I agree with these guys. That was quite a post by you. I'm so sorry you're haveing so much trouble. I too remember the hell of withdrawal and the dehydration. I'd open the fridge and see an icey Gatorade and want it so bad and sip it and dry heave. I didn't eat much when I was drinking so rarely was there anything to vomit up. I wish you could get Librium. That stuff saved me many times. Tapering in my opinion is bad. I mean I'm an alcoholic so once I start I can't stop so tapering never worked for me. I always got lucky. If my withdrawal was bad I'd go to ER and 9/10 times I got great care. Iv Librium and plenty of water with fluids in iv and rest. Then a prescription for Librum and I could walk out sober and detoxed and ready to head back to AA. Sounds like England sucks. I hope you can make it home here in states soon. I really wish you the best and hang tight. Take care
 
^ Would love to hear from you as well. <3

Although taper is a harm reduction tool, I think it prolongs the process for so long that sometimes we forget what are really aiming for.
 
Jenny425 said:
So sorry guys, for my last email. I'm going to blow a gasket! You guys have been so inspiring and helpful. I venting because I would've prefer detox, meds, medical assistance. And I'm doing this tapering thing, and badly at that! And holy mother! closeau, you're right, it's hell!!! Thanks guys for being there, I'm very grateful. Xxxx
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<snip> If you're as bad off as you sound there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't get taken care of.
 
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^ Deep inside you are not fine for real.. I mean if it takes that much from some of us to get what we don't need to keep up with that is not okay. We don't know that when we do these things though.
 
strity1994 said:
faking the symptoms
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We can tell, by the way. If you're getting treated anyway it's to get you to stfu, because we're too busy, don't care, or are afraid of bad patient evaluations or pursuing hospital policy focused on getting good patient evaluations (one of the worst innovations in medical systems recently) or afraid of lawsuits etc.

But don't think we're dumb.
 
strity1994 said:
I agree. Sometimes we have no choice but to be dishonest to get what we want.

They key is to try , if it fails, try again more aggressively and again, etc

I would have never gotten an rx for benzos , opiates and stims if I didn't lie (told them I was already taking those things, after "fAking the symptoms " trick didn't work as they would just prescribe me garbage medicine like anti depressants lol)

It took me years of going to doctors to figure out what works or not. And same with er, I just bitch and bitch till they give me some morphine now. Much better than shitty tylenol (lol)

Remember to over exaggerate everything. And stay in full acting mode every damn second, never smile, never act like ur fine, etc.
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I'm pretty certain what to say to a doctor to obtain a script is against BLUA ;)

I really don't advise lying to your doctor, especially if you don't have many choices on who you can see as you may have to work with them for a while. I have been up front with my doctors about my addictions and history and I believe that I have been treated with more care and respect than if I would have lied.

The benefit of being honest is that you do establish trust and they are more inclined to want to help you, and not just with medication. My doctor was on board with running quarterly blood work to monitor organ function, and was a huge assist in getting me into rehab when I was ready, and all the ancillary support for when I got out of rehab to help with PAWS.

The few times I have been injured he has never withheld strong medication, and has offered muscle relaxers and opiates when my injuries warranted those types of medications though I didn't take him up on them.

I am very fortunate to have him as a doctor as even though I've been sober for a few years I am still encountering health issues brought on by my using days, and because he knows my history he gives me referrals to specialists so I don't have to wait and go through all the lesser tests somebody without the addiction would have to go through first.

I wanted to add a different view regarding interacting with medical professionals because what you do now does have an effect an the quality of care you receive later. Medical professionals are burned out with having to deal with addicts, and many just want the addict out of the building ASAP. Behaviour such as this absolutely affects the type of treatment you receive, and if you are just using them as a dope dealer they have no incentive to go above and beyond to help you as you are just a liability to them. Some will do the absolute bare minimum required should you need thier services in the future, and when you're sick and scared and need help, this is not the treatment you will want.

Again, just an alternate perspective.
 
How are you Jenny? Been thinking about you. I hope you're detoxed and maybe rehab. I really hate this disease and what ity does to people.

I wouldn't lie to Drs either. You gotta build trust like was stated in another post. I've done it before and they know. Their trained to detect bullshitters, ya know?

I've haulucinated before and that's really scary. It became a regular thing in the bad years. Always frogs. Little frogs! I would see them and just close my eyes and cry. Wondering why I do this to myself. Is a drunk worth seeing frogs and shaking to the point of seizing and horrible pains from my live area. By the grace of God I survived but I'm scarred for life both physically and mentally. Sometimes I have bad drinking dreams and they rattle me for awhile when I wake up. Their not jolly drinking dreams there nightmares. But all that's over for me and I'm not in a program but if I ever get an urge to drink my ass will be there. Just some support. Anyway, I hope you're ok. Praying for you. Take care
 
So apparently it's better that Jenny just continues drinking rather than exaggerating symptoms a bit to get the meds she needs to detox safely without alcohol. What complete and utter bullshit.

A lot of doctors won't take you seriously at all if they just deem you a junkie or addict and won't get you the care you actually need which could potentially put you in a dangerous situation. Hows that for harm reduction?
 
^ while I agree with your assertion and I think your advice was sound, drinking until appointment is not bad advice either. Hardcore alcohol intoxication itself is not that harmful, especially if only for a few days - what is a lot more harmful is serious alcohol (or any GABAergic) withdrawal, so keeping those receptors happy for a few days even if it means drinking alcohol is a better solution than going dry.
 
belligerent drunk said:
^ while I agree with your assertion and I think your advice was sound, drinking until appointment is not bad advice either. Hardcore alcohol intoxication itself is not that harmful, especially if only for a few days - what is a lot more harmful is serious alcohol (or any GABAergic) withdrawal, so keeping those receptors happy for a few days even if it means drinking alcohol is a better solution than going dry.
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there is a method to the madness. Basically you need to do it under the care of a medical professional. Don't lie to your doctors. As skl said they didn't just fall off the turnip truck, and chances are they have dealt with "this type of patient" many times before.

I agree that cold turkey detoxing is dangerous as all get out.
 
manboychef said:
there is a method to the madness. Basically you need to do it under the care of a medical professional. Don't lie to your doctors. As skl said they didn't just fall off the turnip truck, and chances are they have dealt with "this type of patient" many times before.

I agree that cold turkey detoxing is dangerous as all get out.
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It seems that shes been honest to her doctor and yet they turned her away which is ridiculous imo. Now she has no choice but to continue drinking or stop and have a seizure, get to the hospital and hopefully have another seizure in front of the doctor so they take her seriously.

I watched a documentary on alcohol addiction. The guy died after he entered treatment. Guess they didnt taper him properly
 
strity1994 said:
It seems that shes been honest to her doctor and yet they turned her away which is ridiculous imo. Now she has no choice but to continue drinking or stop and have a seizure, get to the hospital and hopefully have another seizure in front of the doctor so they take her seriously.

I watched a documentary on alcohol addiction. The guy died after he entered treatment. Guess they didnt taper him properly
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I think you mean Ryan from this Drugged episode. He did not die from alcohol withdrawals - he made it to like the 20th day. He actually died from a depressant overdose (possibly benzos mixed with some other depressant), administered to him by the careless staff. He was actually not the only one who died that way, AFAIK, although I can't remember the source I read it from - sorry.

But nonetheless, alcohol withdrawal is nothing to joke about, and it can potentially kill you.

@Moreaux: I'm not familiar with the pharmacology, will a regular antiseizure medication like the ones you listed help in alcohol withdrawal against seizures, as benzos would?
 
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