NerdOnDrugs
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Whenever the words cocaine and tramadol get anywhere near each other in any thread, OLD is brought up. And the convo is done.
"Yo that killed odb stay away..."
"Didn't that kill ODB?!?!?!..."
"Don't even think about it, it killed Ol' Dirty Bastard..."
Now I know that there are those of you who combine these two substances; used together they do increase serotonin levels (as well as norepinephrine) but that doesn't automatically make them more risky than just taking cocaine alone necessarily, when you take cocaine dosage into account. And some of you probably feel nervous (we want that blood pressure down!) about your combo of choice.
So in the name of Harm Reduction, I'm going to list off reasons why Ol' Dirty Bastard isn't the best case-study to base your opinions off, then maybe we can get feedback from current combo users and trolls:
- ODB could have railed coke all night, and taken a tramadol much earlier (they have long half life). Thus minimizing the drug interaction effects. The toxicology report only said that both drugs were found in his system, no word on what amounts of each (be great if I could find those).
- ODB had a long history with coke and crack use, RZA once said he once forced his child watch him do drugs. The more you abuse coke in ridiculous when your health is already shitty, the closer to a heart attack. A doubled plastic bag containing cocaine was also discovered in his stomach.
- Since ODB, there hasn't been any high profile deaths from mixing tramadol and cocaine. (correct if wrong)
- Using moderate does, like a mere 50mg of tramadol and a few lines, might be perfectly safe. Many of us have done it.
- Increasing serotonin levels with drug combos is especially unsafe in high "ODB style" doses, but perhaps not in drug nerd style doses.
- Benzos are other drugs that specific anti-seizure meds may fight off risk of this combo.
Since tramadol + cocaine is a taboo subject on BL, mostly thanks to ODB (rip), people who combine, or use in near proximity to each other, tramadol and cocaine whether in small doses or big, please share your habit details with the rest of us. Ever suffer a seizure? No problems at all? What doses of each do you use?
I sometimes use them in close proximity. I'm a rare cocaine user. Railed a few lines while just have taken only 100mg of tram, no ill effects, great buzz and synergy. Yeah I know I took small-to-moderate risks, drunk party night, whatever.
"Yo that killed odb stay away..."
"Didn't that kill ODB?!?!?!..."
"Don't even think about it, it killed Ol' Dirty Bastard..."
Now I know that there are those of you who combine these two substances; used together they do increase serotonin levels (as well as norepinephrine) but that doesn't automatically make them more risky than just taking cocaine alone necessarily, when you take cocaine dosage into account. And some of you probably feel nervous (we want that blood pressure down!) about your combo of choice.
So in the name of Harm Reduction, I'm going to list off reasons why Ol' Dirty Bastard isn't the best case-study to base your opinions off, then maybe we can get feedback from current combo users and trolls:
- ODB could have railed coke all night, and taken a tramadol much earlier (they have long half life). Thus minimizing the drug interaction effects. The toxicology report only said that both drugs were found in his system, no word on what amounts of each (be great if I could find those).
- ODB had a long history with coke and crack use, RZA once said he once forced his child watch him do drugs. The more you abuse coke in ridiculous when your health is already shitty, the closer to a heart attack. A doubled plastic bag containing cocaine was also discovered in his stomach.
- Since ODB, there hasn't been any high profile deaths from mixing tramadol and cocaine. (correct if wrong)
- Using moderate does, like a mere 50mg of tramadol and a few lines, might be perfectly safe. Many of us have done it.
- Increasing serotonin levels with drug combos is especially unsafe in high "ODB style" doses, but perhaps not in drug nerd style doses.
- Benzos are other drugs that specific anti-seizure meds may fight off risk of this combo.
Since tramadol + cocaine is a taboo subject on BL, mostly thanks to ODB (rip), people who combine, or use in near proximity to each other, tramadol and cocaine whether in small doses or big, please share your habit details with the rest of us. Ever suffer a seizure? No problems at all? What doses of each do you use?
I sometimes use them in close proximity. I'm a rare cocaine user. Railed a few lines while just have taken only 100mg of tram, no ill effects, great buzz and synergy. Yeah I know I took small-to-moderate risks, drunk party night, whatever.