2C-E (12mg) - Second Time - The beauty and the beast

[Psychestim]

Preface:

2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethylphenethylamine (2C-E) barely needs an introduction, it’s one of Alexander Shulgin’s "magical half-dozen" members and rightfully so. This substance is an unpredictable, dose-sensitive and long-lasting phenethylamine which is quite unlike the other 2C compounds.
What follows is the most profound psychedelic experience I've had but also a very daunting one and all of this on a common dose!

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Background information:

- gender: male
- age: 25
- weight: 80 kg
- setting: at home, alone
- set: I’m fine, but feeling the weight of the pressure. I am uncertain and apprehensive if today is the right day for a trip especially for something like 2C-E. The last six weeks I basically did nothing but study and yesterday I had my exam. I’m not sure if I should go on this journey just yet (should‘ve been a giveaway lol)… I am slightly anxious, hopefully this will reside once the trip starts.
- tolerance: none, last psychedelic I took was 2,6-dibromomescaline (80mg) over a month ago.

I weigh out exactly 12.2mg of some extremely pure 2C-E HCl on my analytical balance (look at this beauty). It was lab-tested a while ago and came back as unadulterated. The powder looks like way more than 12.2mg but it‘s consistency is very fluffy so it should be accurate.

Three hours before my dose I had an espresso and two hours after that I had a light breakfast (bread, two eggs, cheese, vegetables). I also took 2.5g magnesium glycinate right before I took the 2C-E to counteract possible bodily discomfort. I also had a bunch of 2-FDCK the night before but I doubt that this will influce the experience.

2C-E HCl (12.2mg, oral) / Trip Report:

T:-00:20:
Down the last of my magnesium water and do a little meditation to calm my nerves. I‘m a bit fidgety, should I really do this? I‘m preparing a few notes with mantras like "Go with the flow“ and "don’t fight it”.

T:00:00:
Dump the 2C-E HCl in some cold water and swish it around. It hardly dissolves but I down the solution anyway. Very excited!

T:00:42:
I’m feeling a light shift in my mental state and my muscles start tightening up. My pupils are widening and I’m getting faint rushes of electrical stimulation through my body.

T:01:00:
There’s a slight sourness in my stomach and some nausea building. My hands are cold and I’m very lucid, like a breath of fresh air is running through my mind. Visual effects are also setting in but they‘re quite mild yet. This stuff feels amazing already, normally I dislike PEA comeups but I sort of enjoy this.

01:10:
Self-reflection time already?
"You gave your all for this last exam! No matter what the result is going to be it definitely wasn’t for nothing. You’re smart and your disciple is something you can be proud of. Your girlfriend has supported you through this tough time even though she struggled as well. Offer her some help in the next couple of days until this stressful time cools down. I love her.” was written down on a piece of paper.
The character of the 2C-E is emotional, clear and very friendly. I love this.

T:01:35:
The peak is slowly unfolding and I‘m feeling warm and secure. This is a marvelous drug! How beautiful is this world! I‘m so grateful to be alive. The closed-eye visuals are already insanely strong but not too colorful. I‘m transported into a new dimension made up of millions of intertwining particles and I‘m in the midst of it. What the fucking fuck is happening? I don‘t know if I ever had CEV‘s like this, this is so impressive. My mind is shredded into little pieces and I can see them flying away into nothingness. I am a tiny speck in this universe and still I belong. I can vividly see my neurons shooting impulses to each other. Tiny 2C-E molecules doing their thing and what they are doing is magical.

T:02:05:
Love is the greatest gift humanity has ever been graced with. I repeatedly babble the words "love" and "gratefulness" while being transported through this insane world of mathematical patterns and intricate geometry. This is the ultimate peak experience, what the fuck is happening! I have never experienced love like this, I feel like I am about to take off. I am so lucid but have no control, yet I am so at peace. My body feels so comfortable, the 2C-E is surprisingly transparent physically. My mind starts to go blank and I am left with this crazy soup of colors. I am entering places I have never even imagined to exist. Wow, wow, wow.

T:02:20:
My ego is on a slippery slope and has been so for the last 30 minutes. A higher power wants to take my soul away and I’m a little scared. This is a very strong experience, how can 12mg do this? I am having a full blown synesthesia, I can fucking taste the auditory hallucinations. This is something I haven’t mentioned yet but 2C-E’s auditory effects are next level. It distorts everything! I am sitting on the couch looking at my notes and try to relax. Breathing helps but I am feeling obsessed by something. I decide to take a shower and the warmth feels great on my skin. My mind is rattling and my senses are all over the place. I‘m seeing people in my periphery vision and sounds are playing not so funny tricks on me. I had something similar happen years ago when I took a bit too much 2C-B. Is this too much? I need to calm down a little.
Leave the shower, go back to the living room and open the window. Fresh air is good but it‘s freezing outside. The visuals are going absolute nuts, it doesn‘t matter if my eyes are open or not. This is so disorienting. I‘m changing up the music and decide to call my girlfriend who is on vacation atm.
We‘re talking for a while which brings me down a little but after she hangs up I‘m back at it. No way it‘s only been two and a half hours since I took it?!

T:02:40:
This is too much, I am extremely disoriented and frankly I‘m frightened. I haven‘t have such a strong and overwhelming experience ever (and I’ve had many). I’m just laying here getting obliterated and my reality shattered by 2C-E and that on only 12mg! Hopefully I’ll be back to normal once this is over. I am cuddled up in a blanket with a hot-water bottle and try to breath. I repeatedly look besides and behind me because it seems that there’s a presence around me. I‘m exhausted and paranoid.
Fuck it, I‘m gonna eat a milligram Temesta.

T:03:15:
The benzo didn‘t do anything, I am still anxious and worry about going insane. Well, just have to ride it out and take another one in an hour or so if I don‘t feel any better. I do a lot of self-reflection and can see why this trip went a little south. I impulsively decided to take 2C-E today with which I have very little experience with, I took it alone after some hesitancy if I should trip at all and still did it. Well, jokes on you.
The Christmas tree lighting is going crazy. I cannot emphasize enough how impressive 2C-E‘s visuals are. Overall, I would say this is the most fascinating psychedelic I‘ve taken. This experience has it all, I experienced bliss and beauty but also a feeling of dread and insanity.

T:04:04:
Take another mg of lorazepam, this stuff is so merciless. I repeatedly say "2C-E is relentless“ and try to breathe. My mind is still so fragile and my senses are fucked. A ghost in the wall controls my movement like I‘m a puppet. I can literally see and feel the strings he‘s pulling. I am reading something on my computer but my vision is so blurry and everything fuses together into a giant blob of something. I cannot even describe the complexity of the 2C-E experience. I put on a podcast to keep me grounded and to stay in reality but this is easier said than done. All the faces are morphing into hideous creatures and the voices sound off. I always look next to me because my blanket looks like a toddler. Man this is so wacky, please brain don‘t ever be like this. I have never been so rag dolled by a psychedelic, it just does what it wants to me. I an telling all a few friends what is happening.

T:06:20:
I don‘t feel much of the benzos, the 2C-E overpowers the lorazepam no problem. I do feel a little less anxious and my motor control is a bit off especially since I haven‘t eaten anything since breakfast. My mind is still racing, I‘m wide awake, stimulated and hallucinating heavily. I make myself a tiny snack and drink a can of beer in the hopes of further numbing the 2C-E. My walls are moving, my head is spinning and I‘m utterly confused. The headspace is still ripping through the layers of my reality, it feels like I’m getting peeled like an onion. One positive note though, the bodyload throughout the experience was quite manageable. In the beginning it was actually the most comfortable I have ever felt on a psychedelic.

T:06:40:
The alcohol and the lorazepam make me feel dizzy and like I‘m on autopilot. The 2C-E peak has definitely turned down a notch but it‘s still quite strong.
Just trying to watch TV now until I regain consciousness.

T:09:00:
Alright, I‘m feeling better now. It has still not completely subsided but it‘s very manageable now. I‘m tired but still alert. Can‘t believe what a ride that was. Need some time to process all of this, but I am quite intrigued to visit this space again. Next time in a better mental state and with a tripping buddy or sitter.

T:11:30:
Brush my teeth and go to the bed.

The day after:

T:18:00:
Slept pretty deeply and didn‘t dream anything. Feeling pretty good today, but wow that was quite something. I do have a headache that started right when I went to bed but this is typical for me when I do PEA psychedelics.

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Conclusion:

2C-E, the teacher, what a fucking accurate name. It‘s crazy how such a small amount completely destroyed me and I lost all my rational thinking while still feeling clearheaded. The synesthesia this substance induced was unlike anything I‘ve ever experienced. This drug has it all, it‘s extremely visual, mind-bending and physical. A drug I would only recommend to experienced trippers and one I would treat with the utmost respect. It‘s not really a fun or recreational psychedelic but a powerful catalyst for betterment and one to humble you if you don‘t respect it. After some integration work I will definitely revisit 2C-E because even though it was a scary psychedelic experience it was also the most beautiful one I've had. The things I felt in the beginning are not reproducible and will stick with me for a long time. I think the trip went sour because the intensity surprised me and I had a hard time letting go. My ego crumbled and I held on for dear life because I was scared of going permanently insane. Next time I will prepare much better for 2C-E and hopefully it‘ll be a bit more graceful. I‘m sure 12mg will be not this strong for most people because I had an atypical reaction to it due to my apprehension before taking it. I already had one ~10mg trial with it three years prior and that was not nearly as strong or memorable. Anyway, please be careful with this drug. Some people react much stronger to 2C-E than others so start with a few milligrams and titrate your way up in small increments. It is a phenomenal psychedelic, and among the most powerful and wildest things I‘ve ever had the pleasure of experiencing.

 

[Img_9999]

Crazy how much variation there seems to be regarding sensitivity to this one. Some people claim to take like 25 mg no problem. Most I've taken was 16 mg and it was one of my most insane psychedelic experiences. Already 12 mg is quite strong for me. But I do believe you having your stomach relatively empty also played a part in how strong it hit. I have noticed PEAs, among all drugs, are specially sensitive to stomach content.

Regardless, sounds like the typical strong 2C-E experience, lol. Utter rollercoaster from bliss to the depth of hell, packed with insane sensory psychedelia and mind-bending visuals. I really miss this one, I think 2023 will be the year I revisit it.

 

[Psychestim]

Some people claim to take like 25 mg no problem

That would certainly be too much for me. After some integration and preparation I will probably go for 15mg when the time is right. Very fascinationg material even though it was not entirely enjoyable.

Utter rollercoaster from bliss to the depth of hell, packed with insane sensory psychedelia and mind-bending visuals. I really miss this one, I think 2023 will be the year I revisit it.

Word. Definitely do and report back how your experience went. Loved your DOPR and 3C-P reports

 

[negrogesic]

also had a bunch of 2-FDCK the night before but I doubt that this will influce the experience.

How much 2-FDCK did you have the night before?

That will definitely influence the experience (the disconnective effects of even small doses linger in the background for a while). Taking strong psychedelics in a dissociative afterglow will definitely intensify the effect. In that state ego death occurs far more quickly and readily (as well the perception/fear that one is losing their sanity). In the end its often a good thing but it can make it a bit more challenging.

Never tried 2C-E, I actually have some but never got around to taking it. I feel like I would definitely have to take a benzo at some point. Problem is, I've found psychedelics aren't really worth taking if I have to take benzo (because they make me feel like the experience never really happened to me).

 

[Psychestim]

How much 2-FDCK did you have the night before?

Took 125mg in two oral doses.

That will definitely influence the experience (the disconnective effects of even small doses linger in the background for a while). Taking strong psychedelics in a dissociative afterglow will definitely intensify the effect. In that state ego death occurs far more quickly and readily (as well the perception/fear that one is losing their sanity). In the end its often a good thing but it can make it a bit more challenging.

Yeah maybe you're right, I wasn't so sure since 2-FDCK is so short-lasting. Could be a reason why I reacted so strongly.

Never tried 2C-E, I actually have some but never got around to taking it. I feel like I would definitely have to take a benzo at some point. Problem is, I've found psychedelics aren't really worth taking if I have to take benzo (because they make me feel like the experience never really happened to me).

It's definitely awesome but obviously intense. Perhaps a small-dose of a more anxiolytic benzodiazepine like lorazepam or clonazepam might work, seeing how little even 2mg did for me in terms of stopping it.

 

[Pfafffed]

The agony and the ecstasy, heaven and hell — 2C-E is something else, isn't it? I think it's the most cognitively warping/dementing psychedelic that I've ever had, but not the most transporting. Serious stuff for some of us at any dose, and it looks like you're one of them. Others can take twenty milligrams and swear that it's nothing but eye candy. I have to believe them, even if it's unfathomable to me.

I'm glad you rode it out and hope you are able to set aside some time over the next little while to consciously work on integrating that experience. It sounds like that could be fertile ground to plow.

One nice thing I've found about 2C-E in the past is that it for me it starts pleasantly, eases me in, and lets me get comfortable before the chasm in my mind starts to open up (and that's with rectal dosing.) I absolutely cannot imagine insufflating this and getting rocketed into that headspace.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

One nice thing I've found about 2C-E in the past is that it for me it starts pleasantly, eases me in, and lets me get comfortable before the chasm in my mind starts to open up

Indeed, you get tons of time, orally it can take 4-6 hours to peak, sometimes longer if you've eaten before. I love the long come up and it's one of the best features, it becomes muddy and your thoughts are getting slowly directed by that 2C-E headspace, and you never really know where you're at in the trip. It's hard for me to take at home as it's often too much and unrelenting.

Outside (at night for me cause I won't see anyone then) is easier, you can get a breather once in a while because inside I feel like my only focus is "man this is so intense". So moving and change of scenery helps to make better use of what 2C-E does, for me at least. It does last ages so it requires a lot of stamina.

I've gone up to 25mg once and that was very intense, but all experiences were pretty grounded still in a way. I suspect that, as @negrogesic said, the 2F-DCK definitely had an impact.

Never tried 2C-E, I actually have some but never got around to taking it. I feel like I would definitely have to take a benzo at some point. Problem is, I've found psychedelics aren't really worth taking if I have to take benzo (because they make me feel like the experience never really happened to me).

It's a very good drug, up there with my favorite psychedelics, but it's hard to make a case for it as "one of the best". It can be extremely enjoyable though, don't forget about it

 

[negrogesic]

Yeah maybe you're right, I wasn't so sure since 2-FDCK is so short-lasting. Could be a reason why I reacted so strongly.

While 2-FDCK is short-lasting in terms of its main effect, much like ketamine, the afterglow is strong -- strong enough to snap someone out of having suicidal thoughts or severe depression for a week or two. The day after a good sized dose of 2FDCK there is an undercurrent of hypomania, which will make a dose a psychedelic feel quite a bit stronger.

 

[Xorkoth]

Thanks for sharing, definitely sounds like the archetypal experience. I am always flabbergasted by the group of people (and there is a whole group of people, who are experienced and serious trippers) who report that they need to take 25-30mg and for them, it's super euphoric, easygoing, and fun. I'm like you, where it is deeply, deeply altering, potent, and challenging. But ultimately, extremely rewarding.

I has a unique effect on sound as it possibly the best audio enhancer. Lstening to music on it is insane. It seems to have this effect where I can notice every nuance of every sound I hear all at once, and I can even pick out/feel the direction of each sound. I remember oe time when I took I think 14mg, I went outside on my back deck at night, in the summer, when the jungle night forest sounds were in full swing. There are always hundreds of tree frogs songing in a more or less sychronized wave. I remember being able to pick out every single one with and focus on it with my full attention... simultanosuly. I chad a mental map in my head of where every tree frog was, and how far away. Ad I could also hear the smaller sounds... a twig rustling because a mouse was walking, a branch clacking from the wing, a tree groaning slighrly from bending. It was mindblowing the level of sound information I was able to take in and categorize, seemingly effortlessly.

It's been a long time since I took any. I need to revisit 2C-E at a full dose (16-18mg) again this year, I think (and by this year, I mean next year, 2023).

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

is the sound enhancement comparable to 5-meo-mipt. I have always considered it too heavy on body, I feel sluggish and tense and even slightly nauseated.

 

[Psychestim]

I has a unique effect on sound as it possibly the best audio enhancer. Lstening to music on it is insane. It seems to have this effect where I can notice every nuance of every sound I hear all at once, and I can even pick out/feel the direction of each sound. I remember oe time when I took I think 14mg, I went outside on my back deck at night, in the summer, when the jungle night forest sounds were in full swing. There are always hundreds of tree frogs songing in a more or less sychronized wave. I remember being able to pick out every single one with and focus on it with my full attention... simultanosuly. I chad a mental map in my head of where every tree frog was, and how far away. Ad I could also hear the smaller sounds... a twig rustling because a mouse was walking, a branch clacking from the wing, a tree groaning slighrly from bending. It was mindblowing the level of sound information I was able to take in and categorize, seemingly effortlessly.

I can absolutely believe that. The audio distortions were insane, but just in general I never experienced such strong and long-lasting synesthesia. The pareidolia effect was also very pronounced which I found quite unusual since I have only reliably gotten that from overly high doses of MDMA and other entactogens.

 

[Pfafffed]

I also remember the time dilation as among the strongest that I've ever experienced

 

[Img_9999]

Yeah, I had a particular experience where I felt I lived an eternity laying in bed with eyes closed, having an almost out of body experience, and then when I opened my eyes and got back up, only a mere five minutes have passed.

 

[kongoman]

@Psychestim i had a brutal psichedlic trip this weekend and I think about your experience with 2-ce.

But I had it with ketamine. You have to try it. Its difficult for me to explain what I had experienced because I dont know the words, even in my language. I dont know whats a ego loss, parestesia and other words i read in this fòrum.
Next time I will try to write my experience.

How do yo do it? You write while tripping?
What I know that this kind of drugs are sacred.
I believe that there is something after death.
Ketamine its classified like disso but its also psychedelic I think. I need someone to explain me what was what I felt during the trip.
Thanks for your post

Send you all my

 

[Pfafffed]

I believe it. My hole dose of ketamine was comparable to my experiences with salvia and vaped N,N-DMT, but longer and more confusing.

 

[Psychestim]

But I had it with ketamine. You have to try it. Its difficult for me to explain what I had experienced because I dont know the words, even in my language.

I find the dissociative experience (e.g. ketamine) much harder to put into words. It’s such a weird space and especially in the high dose range I often forget a bunch of stuff that happened or how I felt, so I know your struggle all too well. English is also not my first language and I’m often unsure whether it’s best to write reports in my mother tongue first and then translate them (much more work) or write them in English from the get-go.

I dont know whats a ego loss, parestesia and other words i read in this fòrum.
Next time I will try to write my experience.

How do yo do it? You write while tripping?

I have read/written many reports and the vocabulary is something that comes naturally if you do that a lot and generally read a lot about psychedelics.
Most of the times, I jot down little notes and mark the time-stamps during the trip but the actual writing and wording I do the next day. My first few reports and some unpublished ones were written while I was tripping but they’re often less organized and not as enjoyable to read so nowadays I do most of the writing the following day. This one for 2C-E was a little rushed unfortunately and there are some vocabular and grammatical errors I noticed after publishing it.

 

[Zork]

One nice thing I've found about 2C-E in the past is that it for me it starts pleasantly, eases me in, and lets me get comfortable before the chasm in my mind starts to open up (and that's with rectal dosing.) I absolutely cannot imagine insufflating this and getting rocketed into that headspace.

I found insufflating 2C-E increased potency by 2-3x compared to oral. It is probably the most painful psychedelic I've insufflated, felt like an burning hole or drill. The way 2C-B burns the 2C-E was A LOT worse. The onset was very quick and almost instant. I felt a clear change in headspace after my head lifted from the table I insufflated from.

The headspace rapidly increased over minutes, all senses heightened strongly. Then the strong body load kicks in, lots of mucous and vomiting. Time and visuals reversing, environment changing and other humans began to take on different animal forms. A true classic psychedelic, less recreational compared to others like 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-P.

 

[cosmic charlie]

I found insufflating 2C-E increased potency by 2-3x compared to oral. It is probably the most painful psychedelic I've insufflated, felt like an burning hole or drill. The way 2C-B burns the 2C-E was A LOT worse. The onset was very quick and almost instant. I felt a clear change in headspace after my head lifted from the table I insufflated from.

The headspace rapidly increased over minutes, all senses heightened strongly. Then the strong body load kicks in, lots of mucous and vomiting. Time and visuals reversing, environment changing and other humans began to take on different animal forms. A true classic psychedelic, less recreational compared to others like 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-P.

Yeah sniffing 2C-E is really wild, but so painful like you mentioned, the comeup is incredibly fast and intense. The visuals are breathtaking for sure, but i actually find them to be even more so when you eat or plug it. You can get the same sorta fast onset pretty much when you plug, it might be like a ten minute delay but it doubles potency. When you plug it you eliminate alot of the body load issues as well like nausea and vomiting. Usually i dose 15mgs plugged which is a monster dose and it comes on like a psychedelic bullet train.

You wrote a good report @Psychestim i enjoyed reading it. Always love hearing about 2C-E as its my favorite drug in the world. Only have 30mgs right now so i can get couple intense trips out of that but not sure when im gonna do it, possibly at the end of the year. But like i was saying im not sure if you have ever boofed drugs before but it works especially well with the 2C-x series, its almost as if it was meant for them.

 

[JackARoe]

Nice report. I had mentioned I have a cap of 19 mgs. of 2C-E given to me 16 or so years ago. The person that gave it to me gave me some other 2C's and I did take them and posted in the Big and Dandy. All were kick ass. He did say if I take the whole 19 mgs. it can feel like 500 mics of acid and will crush me.

So now I see 12 can be a full trip. At some point I will indulge. 2C-E is one of the few I have not tried yet. I had 2C-D, 2C-C, 2CT-2, 2CT-21, and 2C-I. Most were from whatever market was happening in 2006-2008. I was out of the loop but people gift me. I may try the 12 mgs first.

 

[cosmic charlie]

Nice report. I had mentioned I have a cap of 19 mgs. of 2C-E given to me 16 or so years ago. The person that gave it to me gave me some other 2C's and I did take them and posted in the Big and Dandy. All were kick ass. He did say if I take the whole 19 mgs. it can feel like 500 mics of acid and will crush me.

So now I see 12 can be a full trip. At some point I will indulge. 2C-E is one of the few I have not tried yet. I had 2C-D, 2C-C, 2CT-2, 2CT-21, and 2C-I. Most were from whatever market was happening in 2006-2008. I was out of the loop but people gift me. I may try the 12 mgs first.

You've also taken 2C-B brother man