Ok i started this thread and it 's time for me to update it as i did another experiment with 25mg of 2cb and 1.5 of Phenibut...First of all i must say sorry cause in my first post i wrote by mistake 1 g of Pheni while it was 1.9 quite a difference sorry...
Anyhow this time i felt it quite clearly and i understood that in fact i did feel it the first time too, even though not as much as the second time....
How come someone does not realize he's high on something....? Well clearly i was looking for something different , waiting in the wrong direction...The phenibut has a big part in it , not in the way that it dulls the effect but in my opinion it kinds of show the way to go and this way can be summarized in one word : EUPHORIA!
It was by far the most euphoric drug experience i had in my life. More then anytime i had in MDMA for sure. Don't get me wrong i had amazing time with mdma , great days with incredible adventures , also i managed to be a once in a 6 months or a year user and never really spoiled the magic. But this euphoria was different it was like a river a waterfall of seratonin energy, i was HIGH in the very literal sense of this expression. By the way i always thought the expression "high" a little strange and we don't really have any translation of it in my native language, we have a word for "stoned" and another which i think doesn't have a correspondence in english for the kind of stoned down that opiates give....with weed for instance you can be stoned or high or both ...it's quite 2 different things and i don't like to be stoned so it's quite complicated for me...(Phenibut helps again...) The combination pheni+2cb gave me a very clear idea of what is to be in a pure high state without being stoned . I was very lucid and it's weird that i didnt feel any psychedelic side (which was what i was looking for at the beginning, i was waiting for some psy-wise modified state of conscience and that's also the reason i was disapponted and wrongly thought i was still at baseline the first time...)
I didnt see any modified visual, colors looked quite the same (mdma gives me sometimes "colors empathy" i see a colors or a combination of color and i have some sort of strong emotion linked to it, nothing like that with 2cb-pheni) Nothing with closed eyes....Just this strong flow of euphoria , this feeling of power almost overwhelming at times...I never thought it would grow into something unbareable but i did had the strange feeling of "wasting" all this positive energy with a mediocre setup also for a moment i was wondering what would happen at the comedown , if all this serotonine blowing will end up taking a depressive toll...(it did not! in fact comedown was super smooth and days after very normal....)
The feeling of waste came unfortunately from the fact that i did rush up the second experiment and did not prepare at all the setting.
I just had a normal day in the city alone a part from brief encounter with people and a relatively short sex session (couple of hours with a lover) The city was very hot (like 35 C) and i was literally boiling inside...i noticed Phenibut (similarly to GHB) makes you quite hot so the boiling effect could have come from it....i was super high so i could handle it but it was definetly unconfortable.
2cb it's quite some serious stuff i believe and i strongly suggest to prepare your setting as best as you can ...it is something that deserves a great day (or night!) a luminous , glorious, epic, memorable day, and then it will give that extra skyrocketing boost....That's my belief anyway which is coming from an experience a bit different from any other i read and once again the phenibut might have played a major role there (yes i def need to repeat the experience without the pheni).
The effect duration also was quite long, after 5 hours it started fading slowly (i read that usually it last about 3 hours) Again the pheni has a much longer duration so you just go down from a higher level of euphoria to a lower but still present level of euphoria. Overall Phenibut lasted for me 14 hours (!!) cause i took only 1.5 g cause if i take 2 g it can last for 20 hours !!
Let's sat that level 1 of euphoria is like something that you feel that if you 're talking with some "normal" stranger , he would notice that something is going on with you, whilst on level 2 (phenibut only) you could be chatty and cool and people won't notice (unless they're close friends maybe)
ANd yes about the sex...Sex was good of course, and coming was really difficult i had really to concentrate to achieve it...
I cannot say it was disappointing in a way but the point is that, in my opinion, to speak about 2cb as an aphrodisiac is highly reductive and i only experienced the "entactogen" side of it and not even the psychedelic!!! Sex is good because, in general sex is a good thing of life!
But i would say that , same like mdma , it's best to have 2cb in intimacy with "the" special one of yor life, in a special setting (and the partner should be on it too obviously).
It'is not for casual sex, for a one night stand or for lust and orgiastic experience...It's a far more deeper connection of body and souls...Ghb is quite different cause it really makes you horny in a lust and animalistic way. Ghb it's kind of a porn drug, 2cb definetely not. With GHb you can enter in a gogo bar and have crazy fun time being relaxed and horny and forgetting about the whole reality of trashiness around you, whilst on 2cb you could maybe have fun just because you're so high that it is difficult to have a negative experience but you won't be horny and looking for fake contacts...(not that i have tried but i can very clearly imagine the scene!!!!)
I realised i wrote many lines and still havent really described the phenomenology of this Euphoria. Not that easy....what's euphoria anyway? i think it 's different from happyness cause happyness is more like a period of time in life not just a short burst of energy. SO you can be euphoric and basically unhappy or generally happy without any euphoric "movement". Maybe it's more similar to joy which is more a short time experience and also more inside less influenced by the external factor...I would say that the euphoria i experienced was a strong inside joy that wishes to become happyness, a feeling of power (not egotistical) that pushes towards life ....
Shulgin once wrote that with MDMA everyone he asked about 'what's it like?' answered in the same way: 'I don't know.' 'What happened?' 'Nothing.'
I also think that nothing happened to me with 2cb but still something happened and i am keen to explore more with proper setting and no rush.
Sorry i went quite off topic considering the initial topic of the post but i felt like i had something to write down and expose to the public. Maybe i should have started another topic...
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) Then he up and died. But he gave me some top notch 2cb. I can get a decent trip off of 15 mgs. 25 mgs being my normal strong dose. Now I had given another friend I worked with 2 20 mgs capsules. He took one and claimed he felt nothing. The next time, a week later took 2 20 mgs capsules and had to abort the trip with benzos due to the intensity, which is what I was trying to avoid by giving 20 mgs doses. (duh) So he claimed 20 mgs did nothing but 40 mgs steamrolled him. He admitted he was on meds, antidepressants and benzos too.