EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

[neandertroll]

Be careful ppl they seem to be giving out stupid sentences for not alot of kit again in UK....

 

[AlsoTapered]

This isn't new - crime is going down in the UK but the number of people being sent to prison is increasing.

I wonder if that's to ensure that G4S (Allied Universal), Serco & Sodexo keep earning their American, British and French (respectively) institutional shareholders making money?

 

[elgoucho9]

It takes 5 minutes. If that's too long to avoid poisoning yourself, your call.

Yes, Wedinos is most CERTAINLY the best way to proceed but I don't they take multiple DAYS to provide a result? So a presumptive test while imperfect, is certainly a HR methodology until the appropriate test-strips become available.

Maybe for someone with beakers and a knowledge in chemistry it takes 5 minutes. Personally i have very little knowledge in that area. So i wouldn't know where to start
(It would probably help if i could find a video that's in English)

Also i don't take heroin anymore, was just trying to find out if there was a simple test for nitazines for the people who do.

Here is a video of the test for anyone else interested:

 

[neandertroll]

Yea I looked last night and couldn't find a simple test that average user could use for nitazines

 

[Tranced]

So I'm fairly opiate naive, always avoided them, but quite fancy the odd tramadol. It sort of reminds me of md with the eye wiggles and stuff.

So I wamted to tey tapentadol for a while but could only get boxes, and happened upon 10 x 100mg.

I knew it wws stronger but wasn't expecting this. So I took 1 and was pretty fucked and confused, eye wiggles, much like stronger tramadol. So after 3 hours I thought I'd be good to take another dose.

My god, I was so wrong. And this time I rembered the ket...

So much stronger than when I had 25mg morphine + a bit ket. Same gluey blanket feeling. But my god I was gone, and I feel like it's the type of opiate/opioid high people spend their lives chasing and losing to.

The hallucinations are so intense and real, salvia level. I remember thinking my friend was dealing cards in a chinese casino before I accidentally opened my eyes. I remember thinking things didn't matter but just like with morphine the ket told me if was fake, and I was dealing with a siren.

Please be careful with this stuff, I think if I'd taken another 100mg I'd be dead for sure. So confusing, dark and intense.

High dose dhc and morphine were nothing on this.

 

[Tranced]

Obviously I've already had the other 8 since Tuesday, and tolerance builds fast. Maybe the downpoint with these things.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Tapentadol appears to produce tolerance and dependence out of all proportion to it's analgesic activity. In the UK at least, a special protocol for detoxification has to be developed.

I know it got a very bad name as a DLR (drug of last resort) among the Opiophile crowd due to it's nasty dependence issues.

 

[PredatorVision]

This isn't new - crime is going down in the UK but the number of people being sent to prison is increasing.

I wonder if that's to ensure that G4S (Allied Universal), Serco & Sodexo keep earning their American, British and French (respectively) institutional shareholders making money?

I work in Criminal Law IRL (I'm not a Lawyer however), and at the moment the judiciary is actually being much more lenient with lower wrung drugs cases.

A dealer I know was earlier this year found with 30+ bags of gear on him, his case went to the Magistrates court a couple of weeks ago and he was fully expecting to be sent down as he has a long criminal record of dealing, the CPS reduced the initial charge of possession with intent to supply down to a regular possession charge and he only received a fine with a minimal amount of input from his solicitor.

The reason the District Judge didn't kick it up to the Crown Court is because they recently received guidance to not apply custodial sentences on a large swathe of usually custodial offences due to how overcrowded Prisons are combined with staffing and resource issues and also a serious backlog in Crown Court cases. The whole Justice system is basically collapsing.

The news reported on this with most tabloid headlines saying "JUDGES TOLD NOT TO JAIL RAPISTS", when in reality it's mostly mid-low level drug and driving offences that are getting remarkable leniency at the moment.

I can't speak for the whole of the UK though certainly in my local it seems to be the case, I spoke to a friend who works at a Legal Aid firm in my area and he has said every Misuse of Drugs case he's had since late September to November clients have avoided custodial sentences where previously they wouldn't have.

 

[Tranced]

Tapentadol appears to produce tolerance and dependence out of all proportion to it's analgesic activity. In the UK at least, a special protocol for detoxification has to be developed.

I know it got a very bad name as a DLR (drug of last resort) among the Opiophile crowd due to it's nasty dependence issues.

Could you elaborate further please?

I read about it being a partial agonist which seems to hit the kappa opiod receptor more than assumed, which makes so much sense to me. Its hallucinatory effects and dream like seemingly very true alternate realities strike me as purely salvia like.

I read this on psychonautwiki before I took it and pondered what it meant, and now I get it.

The visual effects of Tapentadol are much more pronounced compared to other opioids of its class. They can be broken down into several components which progressively intensify proportional to dosage.
Suppressions

Double vision
Visual acuity suppression

Hallucinatory states

Internal hallucination - The internal hallucinations of Tapentadol can be described as much more solid than psychedelics and do not seem to be composed of visual geometry. They typically manifest themselves through hypnagogic scenarios. They are noticeable at most doses and can cause difficulty sleeping. They can be described variations as lucid in believability, fixed in style, autonomous in controllability, and equal in new experiences and memory replays in content.

 

[AlsoTapered]

What has always seemed ridiculous to me is that it can take up to a year (sometimes more) for a case to reach the high court. If the magistrate is prepared to give bail and someone walks around for a year committing no further offences, it seems ridiculous to then impose a prison sentence...

But in the UK it happened frequently.

Cannot speak about the last decade but their are far worse things than selling class A drugs, whatever the tabloids say.

 

[Tranced]

I work in Criminal Law IRL (I'm not a Lawyer however), and at the moment the judiciary is actually being much more lenient with lower wrung drugs cases.

A dealer I know was earlier this year found with 30+ bags of gear on him, his case went to the Magistrates court a couple of weeks ago and he was fully expecting to be sent down as he has a long criminal record of dealing, the CPS reduced the initial charge of possession with intent to supply down to a regular possession charge and he only received a fine with a minimal amount of input from his solicitor.

The reason the District Judge didn't kick it up to the Crown Court is because they recently received guidance to not apply custodial sentences on a large swathe of usually custodial offences due to how overcrowded Prisons are combined with staffing and resource issues and also a serious backlog in Crown Court cases. The whole Justice system is basically collapsing.

The news reported on this with most tabloid headlines saying "JUDGES TOLD NOT TO JAIL RAPISTS", when in reality it's mostly mid-low level drug and driving offences that are getting remarkable leniency at the moment.

I can't speak for the whole of the UK though certainly in my local it seems to be the case, I spoke to a friend who works at a Legal Aid firm in my area and he has said every Misuse of Drugs case he's had since late September to November clients have avoided custodial sentences where previously they wouldn't have.

This should be headline news at BL if not the UK. Start a thread on that, it's one of the best things I've ever heard.

 

[Tranced]

What has always seemed ridiculous to me is that it can take up to a year (sometimes more) for a case to reach the high court. If the magistrate is prepared to give bail and someone walks around for a year committing no further offences, it seems ridiculous to then impose a prison sentence...

But in the UK it happened frequently.

Cannot speak about the last decade but their are far worse things than selling class A drugs, whatever the tabloids say.

I couldn't wish for more fullfilment from life for every person who as ever sold my class A drugs from friends, to local long term dealer to people moving things at somewhwt regional levels.

Honestly, absolute stand up people who I've always become very close to. They won't suffer fools, but they will both respect and love you if you just respect and are sound with them.

Some of my favourite people.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The ridiculous thing is that the truly GOOD dealers don't get caught. I mean people who only sell grams, only sell to a limited number of regular customers who they know and don't sell on the street.

I know someone who has been at it for 25+ years and I still don't know their name or where they live. Their customers just get a mobile number - a number that changes every 2 weeks.

They deliver BUT they choose WHERE.

So while I cannot believe that their isn't at least some police intel on them, I suspect they would never ever have more than a gram on them.

Hanging around on street corners ensuring loads of shady people begin to turn up every day is 100% going to ensure that SOMEONE living on that street will make a complain to the police. That kind of dealer is going to get caught quite quickly.

 

[PredatorVision]

The ridiculous thing is that the truly GOOD dealers don't get caught. I mean people who only sell grams, only sell to a limited number of regular customers who they know and don't sell on the street.

I know someone who has been at it for 25+ years and I still don't know their name or where they live. Their customers just get a mobile number - a number that changes every 2 weeks.

They deliver BUT they choose WHERE.

So while I cannot believe that their isn't at least some police intel on them, I suspect they would never ever have more than a gram on them.

Hanging around on street corners ensuring loads of shady people begin to turn up every day is 100% going to ensure that SOMEONE living on that street will make a complain to the police. That kind of dealer is going to get caught quite quickly.

It takes time to build trust, the best dealers I've had are local one's with a small customer base. Living in a small City everyone knows everyone else within the addict community or is at least 1 degree of separation away you get to know who the one's that attract trouble like a magnet are and avoid them. I always try to avoid graft numbers and people from out of town, loads of Liverpudlians seemingly turned up overnight a few years ago and would get arrested every other day.

I've been insanely lucky personally and despite having been on opioids and other drugs on or off for the past 16 years I've never so much as had a Police caution. Not sure if that's blind luck or some of the paranoid precautions I take or that I look quite unassuming and not like a drug user so avoid suspicion. Not that I've ever dealt though, I wouldn't be able to deal with the mental stress of it.

 

[Tranced]

I should clarify that my dealers have mostly sold Mdma, ketamine, ecstasy pills, weed, coke - mainly party drugs. For all my benzo use I for some reason have never really known a benzo dealer - its always been friends who bought extra and were shifting a few, internet, friend of friend type situations.

So I rarely encountered the sketchy side of dealing or oeganised gang type stuff.

It is true though that the dealers I speak of are all 20+ years in the game and for whatever reason, maybe things like you suggest - never quite seem on the radar. Thankfully!

 

[steewith2ees]

...my dealers have mostly sold Mdma, ketamine, ecstasy pills, weed, coke - mainly party drugs....

The demarcation line you describe is so stark and one that, as someone who did not start using heroin regularly until I was relatively old (notwithstanding the few piss abouts I had with it as a teenager as I grew up surrounded by the crap) gave me psychological whiplash, especially once it changed from part of my post club ritual into a serious habit 70 months or so later. Prior to that all my dealers were people that, if not all friends, were still acquaintance's I socialised with.

With the exception of one nice fella who, as a user / dealer I would often get sorted out with 30 quids worth of bits for driving him across town for reloads after which I would be invited into his gaff for a smoke with him and his wife, all of my relationships with heroin and crack dealers have been based on nothing more than the transactional stuff, although following the drought in 2010 they seem to be on the whole a lot more civil and quicker to turn up. Different culture, different breed....

 

[elgoucho9]

There is nothing civil about those Scouse/Yardie graft type lines. One person murdered here, another hit in the head with an axe, and one chopped with a machete. All over poxy sums of money that aren't worth them reacting as they've ruined their own business by baiting the whole place out with so much police attention.

Most of the bigger dealers who sell heroin or crack/coke are also involved in commiting acts of violence. If not they would not be able to operate at a higher level because people would rob/not pay them. The younger generation are even worse, there is no such thing as a straightener anymore. It's straight to stabbing anyone who disrespects you. I don't envy kids these days with what they're growing up with. We used to take ecstasy and go clubbing. They're now smoking crack in a trap house at age 14.

 

[PJACK22]

The Mulliken-Barker presumptive test will detect aromatic nitro groups.

I have check them online but it seem to me it cant be bought and delivered to your address? I want to buy them for my own sake cos i hav been hearing from people that nitazene wil be laced with heroin regularly cos its cant be detected at home using test. Yesterday, i spoke to a guy i know from bradford, he said the yardies are the major problem for us, for those heroin and coke users because yardie are lookin for any way to earn more money by throwin in nitazenez and fentanyl mixed with heroin and coke.
If yardie havent got involved in that heroin trade, all of those fent/nitazene never would happen, tat may be true, i really dont know but i seem to remember few years i had run in with 1 of yardies cos 1 of them sold heroin laced wit fentanyl and killed 1 of my good pal, so i got so mad and upset and found out who sold the bad batch tio my mate so i confronted him about it and it got into heated row and i told him as far as im concerned this is over and i walked away. He roared at me sayin i wil be whacked soon! Nothimg happened yet! Anyway FUCK FENTANYL AND NITAZENES TOO.
IF Fentanyl took over heroin market in 2024 summer/winter, then this will spill over to cocaine market, it wil fuck up whole drug game like in usa and it wil be yardie who wil be doing that lol

 

[PJACK22]

There is nothing civil about those Scouse/Yardie graft type lines. One person murdered here, another hit in the head with an axe, and one chopped with a machete. All over poxy sums of money that aren't worth them reacting as they've ruined their own business by baiting the whole place out with so much police attention.

Most of the bigger dealers who sell heroin or crack/coke are also involved in commiting acts of violence. If not they would not be able to operate at a higher level because people would rob/not pay them. The younger generation are even worse, there is no such thing as a straightener anymore. It's straight to stabbing anyone who disrespects you. I don't envy kids these days with what they're growing up with. We used to take ecstasy and go clubbing. They're now smoking crack in a trap house at age 14.

You have made very good point there. Because i seem to remember back then, dealers used to say,ITS ALWAY BETTER TO SELL HIGH QUALITY DRUGS TO YOUR CUSTOMERS IF U WANT THEM TO COME BACK AGAIN COS ITS NOT THE WORTH FINACANIAL REWARD IF UR SELLIN BAD BATCH THAT WILL KILL THEM COS THEY WONT COME BACK AND WORD SPREAD AROUND LIKE A FIRE! WTF HAPPENED TO THAT??
I think there are 2 reason for this,
Way too young people got into drugs game who really didmt understand what is it really MEAN to honour agreement between customers and seller!!

Like you said younger generation are much worse right now and i agree 1000%
its fucking crazy out there. Complete out of control!!

The other day, i realy felt very uncomfortable when out scoring bobby, a kiddie age 10-12 came out to serve me on a bike, I REALLY DONT LIKE THAT AT ALL. Ffs

The people in drug trade has got so lazy and not beimg smarter really. They just simply send out kiddie on a bike to serve customers KNOWING PERFECT WELL if he got caught, the kiddie wont DARE open his mouth to the cops. AND I AM PART OF THE PROBLEM! Ffs

That is why govt need to wake the fuck up and legalized all drugs so there would be no more drugs wars, violence, drug dealing on streets, AND there wil be NO MORE kiddies out serving customers on street BUT THE COPS REJECTED THIS LMFAO.

ITs because the police will be out of business if this happen. The cops wil be so BORED out of their brain! All they hav to do is patrol street. But no more chasing criminal on foot or in cars etc. The cops need bit excitiment in their job lmfao! They wil be STUCK in the office doing all the boring paperwork, sit on their arse all day and they dont want that!

Let say if ALL DRUGS ARE LEGALIZED, WHAT THIS MEAN; IT WILL REMOVE:

1.No more drug deaths
2. No more turf gang wars between rivals
3. All drugs gangs wil be out of business
4.no more gangland shooting.
5. No more drugs related intimidation on ordinary people anymore!
6. No more corruption
7. No more rip off
8.NO MORE BAD BATCH anymore

I could go on but i wont bored u anymore than i have to.
DRUGS PROIHIBITON IS FUCKIN BULLSHIT!!

i realised that some of u may refused to accept this. What im telling u is from my experience. I hav witness so many horrible attack on person over poxy 5 pounds!!

Remember ALCOHOL prohibitions??
All the gangland shooting and murders especially so many cops murdered..
And when the govt decided to legalized,
All alco related crimes hav been DROPPED to zero OVERNIGHT!!

The same will happen for drugs prohibition but this wont happen cos of fuckin police!! They cant accept this lol.
So drug war go on!

 

[Tranced]

The demarcation line you describe is so stark and one that, as someone who did not start using heroin regularly until I was relatively old (notwithstanding the few piss abouts I had with it as a teenager as I grew up surrounded by the crap) gave me psychological whiplash, especially once it changed from part of my post club ritual into a serious habit 70 months or so later. Prior to that all my dealers were people that, if not all friends, were still acquaintance's I socialised with.

With the exception of one nice fella who, as a user / dealer I would often get sorted out with 30 quids worth of bits for driving him across town for reloads after which I would be invited into his gaff for a smoke with him and his wife, all of my relationships with heroin and crack dealers have been based on nothing more than the transactional stuff, although following the drought in 2010 they seem to be on the whole a lot more civil and quicker to turn up. Different culture, different breed....

We both made our way via Godskitchen itself, and both developed massive benzo habits out of it. I love you Stee.

Did I tell you I found footage of Tiestos set at Godskitchen @ the Newcastle Telewest Arena in 2002, where I had my first pills at sweet sixteen, and the two MDA apple pills we took kicked in at once and I came up properly for the first time, to Plastic Boy - Silverbath of all absolute club destroyers, sniffing poppers on the terrace with the girls who got us the pills overlooking 12000 people?

Silverbath at 26 minutes and also part 2: