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HBWR Quick Question!

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Hello all, this is a pretty last minute question, but anyways I'll get straight to the point— Today I am introducing a friend to the psychedelic realm, and prepared a cold water extraction w/ essential oil of peppermint (I know the controversial LSA -> LSH claims, but it also helps for nausea).

I'm relatively unclear about how ground up they needed to be to get a good extraction. The coffee grinder I used turned it into a coarse ground.

4 and 1/2 hours until it will have hit the 24 hour mark. Will it be good? I put in 6 seeds.
 
Your extraction method is OK.
Are you planning on using 6 seeds for the both of you or just him? I guess 6 seeds will suffice for a threshold experience for one person, but no way you're pulling that off for the both of you. Good luck on your adventure.
 
HeavilySedated said:
Your extraction method is OK.
Are you planning on using 6 seeds for the both of you or just him? I guess 6 seeds will suffice for a threshold experience for one person, but no way you're pulling that off for the both of you. Good luck on your adventure.
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I'm being sober to sit him. Erowid lists 6 seeds as the midrange of a common dose, and in my experience, 6 seeds is definitely enough to trip!
 
Well, go ahead than. What you got to realize is that dose is highly individualized. I had 6 seeds once, but felt nothing except the nausea. Maybe your friend is going to find it actually very intense, you never know.

BTW, a good way to counter body load and nausea is by just smoking weed, which could also potentiate the whole experience.
 
HeavilySedated said:
Well, go ahead than. What you got to realize is that dose is highly individualized. I had 6 seeds once, but felt nothing except the nausea. Maybe your friend is going to find it actually very intense, you never know.

BTW, a good way to counter body load and nausea is by just smoking weed, which could also potentiate the whole experience.
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Good suggestion, weed will be there. It's a wild guess to how he'll react to a psychedelic. I have about 4 more seeds, but I'm iffy about making his trip too intense for the first time.

I remember my first time (not first time tripping) on HBWR seeds I was having out of body experiences and going into trances. No idea how many seeds I took though, I think I just took about 2 or 3 quarters of a teaspoon of ground up seeds that were treated with acetone with the intent of further extracting LSAs, but we got lazy. Weird thing about body load, is i never got it. I actually got all entactogenic like Ecstasy.
 
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You don't need to extract for more than a few hours in my opinion. Most of the trip reports I've read of people leaving the extraction in the fridge for a long time said that it was weak (of course other variables play into this, so who knows). Anyways, when I did morning glory seeds I put them in cold, distilled water and only left the extraction in the fridge for 1 hour, stirring every 15 minutes, and I tripped balls (my point is why leave them extracting for a long time when you can do it in a few hours or less? 24 hours isn't that long though, just don't leave them in there for days at a time in my opinion).

Also remember that you do lose more LSA with this method, so you have to double your dose pretty much when doing a cold water extraction, as compared to just munching on the seeds.

As far as grinding them, I would say coarse sounds about right. The morning glories got ground up real fine on accident and then they were a bitch to filter.
 
HeavilySedated said:
Are you planning on using 6 seeds for the both of you or just him? I guess 6 seeds will suffice for a threshold experience for one person, but no way you're pulling that off for the both of you. Good luck on your adventure.
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If they are the Madagascar strain, 3 seeds should be plenty...
 
Totally true, the Madagascan strain is way more potent then the other strains I've encountered, no nausea but alot of cramping. I love being outside on LSA , and I found that it does go quite nicely with booze.
 
I agree, I have madagascar strain seeds (just received my third shipment of them) and they are my favorite, 3 seeds (ground up and ingested) is enough for an okay trip. I did 12 seeds (CWE) once along with 2 grams of rivea corymbosa seeds (ololiuhqui) and smoking a few jays as well, and holy fuck, that was out of this world. Swirling geometric fractals all over my vision, I tried to look at a blank piece of paper and "fill out" the hallucinations but they kept morphing and swirling, and after 45 minutes and 20 scrapped pieces of paper I eventually realized the futility of the whole project, took a bong rip, leaned back and got lost in my internal universe.

I'd rank it amongst my top 5 trips.

ps. in my experience cold water extractions are ~60-70% as potent as just eating the seeds after you grind them up coarsely, but the come-up is quicker with the cwe.
 
Other options for nausea include:

weed (as mentioned above)
ginger (tea or pill/candy)
anti-nausea medication (although its usually an antihistamine, and should not be taken above the recommended dose)

Or you can just throw up and stop fighting it. My HBWR trips usually involved throwing up within the first 1.5 hours, and after that I felt great from then on out.

Hope things go well, HBWR can be very rewarding.
 
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