The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - The 3rd Dose

[2charlyecho]

I just don't see how this is possible...

It felt similar physically, but because I wasn't in the right frame of mind to take it I didnt flow with it and my mind kinda rejected if. Know what I mean?

Next time I had normal effects because I figured out It was all in my head

true story.

 

[psood0nym]

Mine just had the chemical wrote in marker so the whole legitimate purchase with That throws me off. I just want to hear who else has had Small SALT LIKE GRAINY mxe. I am bringing this up for the sake of harm reduction. I kinow scales are best but compared to a penny how would a normal smalllllll mxe dose look like next to it(the penny)

Small differences in the appearance of a chemical mean nothing. The packaging does not necessarily mean anything either. The same essential chemical can differ in consistency, color, etc. and still be the same thing, and different vendors use different packaging and the same vendors can change packaging over time. Larger grained crystals will probably be denser than the same chemical powdered, and so a volume of the same weight will on average be smaller.

There is no way for anyone to tell you what chemical you have or don't have or how big a pile you need to equal a "small dose" based on your visual assessment. Not to mention how such a pile would look in comparison to a penny would vary on the height and shape of the pile, among other glaring problems with estimating weight using such a method. Giving you the answers you're looking for would not be harm reduction as they would be meaningless. Milligram scales can be bought on eBay for less than the price of a small MXE order and shipped to you within a week (specific models can be found in the scale thread). They're not that great but are profoundly better than eyeballing. There's no excuse not to have and use them. By not using one you're risking the health/life of yourself and your friends' and thereby speeding up the date when MXE will be made illegal.

 

[Splitz]

Mine was fluffy and fine. It felt pure and clean although I cannot confim if it was.

 

[ashxcore]

I have done plenty of psychs and worked with K til I hit a brick wall with it.

I understand why you are so puzzled on how your own experiences are so vastly different to mine and others. Do I know why? Nope.

One question, do you have any spiritual beliefs or practice meditation in any form? I find it is essential to be able to quieten the mind, work with energies, or even just to be able to drift down the stream of conciousness easily... also you need to be mindful during the experience. do you get me?

I don't need any guidelines to dissociate properly. I'm fairly well-versed on how to fall into my own head.

My dissociative experience includes numerous experiences with ketamine, DXM, 4-MeO-PCP, nitrous, 3-MeO-PCP, and a few 3-ho-PCP experiences. I've easily had the highest rate of both profound and glowing experiences with methoxetamine -- understood as a ratio of experiences I consider profound and/or glowing over all experiences. Compared to ketamine on its own I feel methoxetamine is superior, though I've never "k-holed," despite numerous attempts. I'm also in a minority in that I find DXM on its own better than ketamine on its own (though ketamine in combination with a 5HT psychedelic I find vastly superior to DXM with a 5HT psychedelic). The mania of methoxetamine is heavenly, and ketamine doesn't have the quality for me.

I agree, though, that the relative paucity of access to other dissociatives compared to access to methoxetamine is probably a factor in all the positive reports. There's simply more enthusiasm and propensity to report when you suddenly have access to a new class of drug. Though it's impossible to say if all these people had access to numerous other dissociatives whether they would still prefer methoxetamine or not. I assume it has a lot to do with the vast numbers of UK people (who also seem to make up most of the new bluelight members) introduced to current methoxetamine vendors through previous mephedrone purchases.

I too am in the minority regarding DXM, but not sure how you are able to come to that conclusion without having k-holed.

I have seen how it has a profundity to it, but for me, it is too detached mentally/emotionally/spiritually and attached physically. It has always felt to me like the skeletal rudiments of a dissociative. Some things are definitely missing for me. I feel like I should try it again, though, because I would love to feel as enthusiastic about it as everyone else. I would love to feel warmth and magic instead of a cold analysis. I am put off primarily by price, and secondly because it gave me a weird spasm in my left posterior deltoid (or some other muscle in the shoulder region).

 

[2charlyecho]

I don't need any guidelines to dissociate properly. I'm fairly well-versed on how to fall into my own head.

I respect that

 

[oSpherical]

I am very unsure of this mxe stuff. I received a sample and I want to know has anyone had this chemical come in a grainy salt like texture? It dose smash up to a powder I guess but I want to know if there is any salt grainy looking mxe that's legit around

Usually not, however the last 2 grams I had was very dry and definitely had the consistency of salt, if I recall - however the effects were still the same, it just was harsher to my nose than the normal fluffy stuff.

Just buy from one of the official vendors and you should have no problem.

Also, if neurotoxicity does (by theory) exist for MXE, how would the damage manifest itself? Would it cause personality changes, problems with logic, learning, memory etc? I'm just curious.

Also, can anyone theorize on how much usage would be required for the toxicity to take place?
Would occasional moderate insufflation doses be enough? would it take injecting high doses daily?

Would racetams, such as aniracetam be able to reduce any damage if such damage is caused?

Sorry, this is just a topic that I've been worrying about a lot recently.
I've done a lot of drugs without worrying at all about toxicity, but it's brought up so much with this chemical, which I hold so dear, that it's really gotten me thinking.

I'd love to see an MXE toxicity thread in Advanced Drug Discussion, those people really seem to know what they're talking about.

 

[Albion]

Usually not, however the last 2 grams I had was very dry and definitely had the consistency of salt, if I recall - however the effects were still the same, it just was harsher to my nose than the normal fluffy stuff.

Just buy from one of the official vendors and you should have no problem.

Also, if neurotoxicity does (by theory) exist for MXE, how would the damage manifest itself? Would it cause personality changes, problems with logic, learning, memory etc? I'm just curious.

Also, can anyone theorize on how much usage would be required for the toxicity to take place?
Would occasional moderate insufflation doses be enough? would it take injecting high doses daily?

Would racetams, such as aniracetam be able to reduce any damage if such damage is caused?

Sorry, this is just a topic that I've been worrying about a lot recently.
I've done a lot of drugs without worrying at all about toxicity, but it's brought up so much with this chemical, which I hold so dear, that it's really gotten me thinking.

I'd love to see an MXE toxicity thread in Advanced Drug Discussion, those people really seem to know what they're talking about.

Sadly I doubt anybody can answer those questions. I doubt anybody will be able to answer those questions for a good few years. Even then, the answers will be drawn from what happened to us guys who were the first to use methoxetamine. Tis a bit too late by then...

 

[psood0nym]

I too am in the minority regarding DXM, but not sure how you are able to come to that conclusion without having k-holed.

As I posted earlier, I've made many attempts to "k-hole". I've done ketamine doses up to 225 mg intramuscularly when I weighed 160 pounds without tolerance and every dose in between and never experienced the phenomena people describe k-holes as. I have experienced k-hole-like phenomena when combining ketamine with powerful tryptamines, but I'm drawing comparisons between methoxetamine by itself and ketamine by itself, not between methoxetamine and a ketamine/tryptamine combo. What you experience in a k-hole is just not a potentiality of ketamine by itself for me.

K-holing is not something I have yet to do with ketamine, ketamine simply doesn't do it for me, just like heavenly dissociated mania is not something methoxetamine does for you. So I'm confused at your confusion. Isn't the reason you give for why you're perplexed as to how I can conclude as I have about ketamine like me reasoning I don't know how you can conclude as you do about methoxetamine because you have yet to experience something it doesn't do for you?

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Usually not, however the last 2 grams I had was very dry and definitely had the consistency of salt, if I recall - however the effects were still the same, it just was harsher to my nose than the normal fluffy stuff.

Just buy from one of the official vendors and you should have no problem.

Also, if neurotoxicity does (by theory) exist for MXE, how would the damage manifest itself? Would it cause personality changes, problems with logic, learning, memory etc? I'm just curious.

Also, can anyone theorize on how much usage would be required for the toxicity to take place?
Would occasional moderate insufflation doses be enough? would it take injecting high doses daily?

Would racetams, such as aniracetam be able to reduce any damage if such damage is caused?

Sorry, this is just a topic that I've been worrying about a lot recently.
I've done a lot of drugs without worrying at all about toxicity, but it's brought up so much with this chemical, which I hold so dear, that it's really gotten me thinking.

I'd love to see an MXE toxicity thread in Advanced Drug Discussion, those people really seem to know what they're talking about.

It kind of was from an official vendor. I'm awfully confused I almost want to post a photo of it. To the OP saying people like me get substance banned you do not know me and have no idea how cautious I am about letting anyone dip in my feeder before me. It was a choice made by my fellow friend so do not ever make assumptions yes I need a scale, everyone needs a scale, but don't be bashing anyone for not having a scale this isn't the point I can eyeball 200mgs EASY. MY QUESTION was if anyone was had grainy crystal like MXE ? If not lets say I crush these salty grains up. They turn to powder. It should be fluffy right or no? I am just looking for an answer on this no bashing.

 

[psood0nym]

this isn't the point I can eyeball 200mgs EASY.

No, it really really is the point. How can you eyeball a substance you've never seen weighed accurately when different compounds vary drastically by molecular weight?

Also, density matters. Here's a picture to help:

It doesn't matter how many times you remind us what your question is, it's still not answerable, and certainly not through comparisons to pennies!That's why, with the exception of pills that have identifying marks, there's no "what do I have?" threads allowed. It's because that's not harm reduction, it's nonsense that gives people potentially dangerous confidence in what they have without warrant. No matter how convenient it would be for you to think you can trust what people say about its appearance or how much you want to believe you can eyeball things these facts aren't going to change. Nor do I have to know you to know that ignoring these facts is sufficient to get you and others in trouble. The best you can hope to do short of conceding to the apparently totally unworkable idea of dropping $40 on a scale and waiting a week to get it before hoovering an unresearched and potentially mislabeled compound is to post a picture of the package and hope that it's unique and that someone else bought the same thing very recently and tried it already. That or use ridiculously small amounts and build up slowly until something happens.

 

[MyExcuse]

I recently made a purchase for some MXE (1g), waiting on it in the mail currently.

I'm going to save it for a rave I'll be attending in mid-march, and had a few questions.

From what I've read this seems a bit more friendly for being around people than ketamine, and the duration is certainly attractive. I do have a few questions though:

1) I have somewhat of a natural tolerance to ketamine, and snorting it simply doesn't do much (compared to I.M., even that requires 200-250mg for a k-hole). Is MXE completely cross tolerant or can I expect potent effects despite it's relation to K?

2) Are the opiate effects present for everyone, or is it very individually biased. It seems MXE is tagged with keywords like mania and opiate, are these effects present equally or is it either or, or is it hit or miss. Can you describe the effects of MXE in list format?

3) I'm planning to combine with 2C-C above all else, but I have 4-AcO-DMT and DPT at my disposal. Due to the crowded nature of the event I'll be attending, should I stick to the more tame and visual 2C-C or would combination with the more confusing DPT/Psilacetin be acceptable?

4) I'm splitting a gram between 2 people, so what would a dosing guideline for maximum effects be for 12 hours be? Is duration consistent or is it different for each person?

I'm sure these questions might be unanswerable if this truly is individual dependent but any insight would be helpful. I'm excited more than anything and voicing these questions helps me gauge whether my excitement is justified.

 

[Albion]

I recently made a purchase for some MXE (1g), waiting on it in the mail currently.

I'm going to save it for a rave I'll be attending in mid-march, and had a few questions.

From what I've read this seems a bit more friendly for being around people than ketamine, and the duration is certainly attractive. I do have a few questions though:

1) I have somewhat of a natural tolerance to ketamine, and snorting it simply doesn't do much (compared to I.M., even that requires 200-250mg for a k-hole). Is MXE completely cross tolerant or can I expect potent effects despite it's relation to K?

2) Are the opiate effects present for everyone, or is it very individually biased. It seems MXE is tagged with keywords like mania and opiate, are these effects present equally or is it either or, or is it hit or miss. Can you describe the effects of MXE in list format?

3) I'm planning to combine with 2C-C above all else, but I have 4-AcO-DMT and DPT at my disposal. Due to the crowded nature of the event I'll be attending, should I stick to the more tame and visual 2C-C or would combination with the more confusing DPT/Psilacetin be acceptable?

4) I'm splitting a gram between 2 people, so what would a dosing guideline for maximum effects be for 12 hours be? Is duration consistent or is it different for each person?

I'm sure these questions might be unanswerable if this truly is individual dependent but any insight would be helpful. I'm excited more than anything and voicing these questions helps me gauge whether my excitement is justified.

1) Better safe than sorry tbh. Don't assume that you're going to have high tolerance to MXE just because you have one with ketamine. Since dosages are different anyway you're best off starting small.

2) I think you'll be disappointed if you're looking for opiate effects. MXE makes you feel good, cosy, warm and blanketty, but not in the same way that opiates do. This feeling wears off later on in the experience anyway.

3) I think any of these combinations are going to fuck you right up. Be really careful because intense experiences on MXE are not necessarily fun.

4) 500mg in one night is ridiculous. Don't even use half that (unless you discover you do indeed have a tolerance). Seriously...waaay too much drug for one night. Just start off with 20mg or 30mg and redose by 20mg or 30mg until you're where you want to be. Bear in mind that the effects usually take 30 minutes to seriously kick in.

So yeah, hope you have fun, and I hope you have a good night. The margin for error might be a bit smaller than you may have hoped though.

 

[Reverberation]

4) I'm splitting a gram between 2 people, so what would a dosing guideline for maximum effects be for 12 hours be? Is duration consistent or is it different for each person?

500mg a person seems pretty stupid to me... this is a RC, not candy...
Effects can take a while before they are fully established., do not underestimate MXE, I have gone only up to 120mg and it left me quite blown away.

Be safe and build up slowly, don't redose too fast and learn to appreciate and respect this substance.

 

[Reverberation]

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2) Are the opiate effects present for everyone, or is it very individually biased. It seems MXE is tagged with keywords like mania and opiate, are these effects present equally or is it either or, or is it hit or miss. Can you describe the effects of MXE in list format?

So far for ME (thro the nose):

10-40mg : Opiate like effects, feeling warm,cozy and at ease, everything seems to slow down abit, innerdialogue enhanced and maybe some mild euforia and a touch of the onset of dissociation, social very nice like talkative and even maybe a bit more empathy. Overall very nice effects, no anxiety but you build tolerance to this pretty fast.

50-80mg : opiate effects maybe at the coming up but they wear off soon, increased dissociation, still mild but certainly noticebale, moving around becomes more difficult, innerdialogue speeding up nicely in a fun way (MXE does that to me in a fun way always), music sounds great. Maybe slight visual distortion, no anxiety.

80-100mg : All of the above but increased and by now with tolerance no more opiate effects, still no anxiety.

120mg : Treshold M-hole effects, movement is very hard, loss of time, loss of focus, visuals (this is not acid but they are nice still) increased, smell and taste change, euphoria flashes, music takes you away to MXE land and will enhance euphoria and visuals, strong dissociation (atleast for me with no K experience), best time I ever had,my room vanished and turned into a warm but creepy woodland,speaking became very difficult, you just can't catch up. Deffo not suitable for social situations unless everyone else is out there

120+mg : I'll report back once I do that

I don't use scales, so my mg's may be a bit off but I'm fairly sure they are around there. I tend to be more cautious than over ambitious with this stuff cos it's soo much fun! Also off interest that I have always combined MXE with alcohol so that might play in my experiences also. And I have never EVER had any form of anxiety or fear while on MXE but I had moments that I was completely lost in the woods but in a good way

Even if you have high K tolerance, I would advise to use this stuff with respect, it is just too damn genius to abuse!

And on a final note, comedowns and the day after have always been a breeze compared to for example MDMA.

Have fun and travel safe man!

 

[Reverberation]

And on a final note :

Space out your usage, tolerance seems to come and go quite fast unlike other drugs. The urge to redose can be quite luring tbh, especially in the beginning but once you get to know what the effects are per mg/dose I'm pretty sure you can use this stuff in a very responsible aiding way.

We need to know more concerning the toxicity of this stuff for sure, but for me at this point dosing once a week for two months I have only good things to say bout

Metho------xeeeeeeeeeee-taaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-ne :D

 

[MyExcuse]

Thanks for the advice. To elaborate on my previous post, I was saying 500mg over a 12-14 hour period, not all at once. If 500mg is a lot over that long of a period, this stuff truly must be genius.

I can't wait to try it out!

 

[Maziv]

Since I only have 300mg and there are three of us would you say under the tongue is best approach rather then snorting ? or would you say three of us doing 20mg bumbs every half an hour or so would work out better ?

Also hows the weed combination on this ? better to go pure or does it actually add a nice twist to the experience.

 

[knock]

@MyExcuse: The overall duration of the experience from ingestion to somewhere near baseline is about 6-7 hours; this for a single 30-50mg dose. There is no real need in any one day to be consuming 500mg unless you have serious tolerance or some kind of self-destructive drive you wish to fulfil!

@Maziv: similarly there is no need to redose every half hour, if you really want to prolong the experience you are looking at a redose of four-five hours I guess; as I don't often have days to spend in la-la land I've never actually tried this, but neither have I ever had much of a desire to redose as the experience can be so profound and long-lasting. Unlike Ketamine where it's easy to go over the edge several times in a session I don't think MXE lends itself to this kind of shenanigans.

Finally to you both, why are you planning epic binges on a drug you plainly have no experience with? Understand what you are dealing with before you decide to go all out. Would you go to a Star Trek convention if you'd never seen an episode? Strange example I know but it's all I could think of!

 

[Albion]

@MyExcuse: The overall duration of the experience from ingestion to somewhere near baseline is about 6-7 hours; this for a single 30-50mg dose. There is no real need in any one day to be consuming 500mg unless you have serious tolerance or some kind of self-destructive drive you wish to fulfil!

@Maziv: similarly there is no need to redose every half hour, if you really want to prolong the experience you are looking at a redose of four-five hours I guess; as I don't often have days to spend in la-la land I've never actually tried this, but neither have I ever had much of a desire to redose as the experience can be so profound and long-lasting. Unlike Ketamine where it's easy to go over the edge several times in a session I don't think MXE lends itself to this kind of shenanigans.

Finally to you both, why are you planning epic binges on a drug you plainly have no experience with? Understand what you are dealing with before you decide to go all out. Would you go to a Star Trek convention if you'd never seen an episode? Strange example I know but it's all I could think of!

Would you buy the entire box set of Friends just because a friend of a friend said one episode was 'pretty funny'?

Painfully contrived metaphors FTW


But seriously, imagine your disappointment if it turns out you don't like Friends.

 

[Reverberation]

Even if you are an experienced Ketamine user or even abuser, use this RC with respect, JSPete, as posted on the forum, knows what he is talking about...
Things can get out of whack very fast when you don't KNOW MXE, it"s a powerful substance even when on low dosage it is pretty mild.

Be safe and be sure, take it easy!