Hello and an MDPV Question

[stuffmonger]

Although I would certainly describe my reaction conditions as oxidative, the possible structure that I showed is not an oxidation product of MDPV. It's actually a reduction product. That's one of the things which don't add up from a scientific perspective.

Could you describe the conditions? Certainly heating pv hcl at high temperatures (200C +) creates a different substance, but only in the presence of air. That would suggest oxidation. Since you are using an aqueous solution, I'm assuming you are infusing oxygen or adding a substance that creates free oxygen. Dunno. What is the process?

 

[Alcyone]

^ Not in this thread, sorry. I don't want any part in this, I'm just an inquisitive mind trying to figure out what you've created, if anything.

I tried to replicate your results by essentially following your instructions given in this thread, albeit with what I'd like to think of as a somewhat more scientific approach. And at a much smaller scale.

 

[stuffmonger]

^ Not in this thread, sorry. I don't want any part in this, I'm just an inquisitive mind trying to figure out what you've created, if anything.

I tried to replicate your results by essentially following your instructions given in this thread, albeit with what I'd like to think of as a somewhat more scientific approach. And at a much smaller scale.

Understood.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I don't post a lot on this board but have been a member since 2006, but am well known on other boards.

No but you seem to have a buzzer up your arse that alerts you to your name being mentioned.

Adverts on p 11 I believe.

EADD being a better place to advertise than ADD of course.

 

[I NUK3D U]

Come on people. Just look at what is happening in the US with MDPV. This is being shut down 'fast'.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the product of this aromatic substitution and the adding of acetone is a strong amphetamine, and the principle of MDPV as a precursor has frightening potential.

Anyone ever considered the 3,4 DMMC & MDPV combo 'in vitro'?

Or even the Borch Reaction on non-smoking aids?

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/synthetic-cathinones

http://www.latest-science-articles.com/Engineering_Science/Studies-on-the-Stereoselective-Hydrocyanation-Catalyzed-by-Oxynitrilases-to-Synt-9285.html

http://www.justice.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/journal2010/mj7-2_42-49.pdf

Next thing to think about - why does an apparent non-chemist/scientist clearly develop into a 'man in the jungle' with equipment designed for limited purposes. Furthermore, there's reference to over 23 kilos of this being processed. His english and grammar are inpecable and a certain 'Island' Based provider of chemical products has just released a assay kit to detect different analogues of pyravalerone.

Interesting also to note that literally the largest busts of (US) Sch 1 drugs have occurred over the previous few months, pressumably from tracking the purchase of the precursors elluded to in this thread, and the web has suddenly been flooded with a flurry of new legal/illegal high websites. All appear to have multi-country operations, pressumably to avoid any one jurisdiction; and most, if not all, appear to be Russian in origin (or Hungarian aka Russian by proxy). They are now pushing the boundaries of opioid analogues (and indeed, many combinations thereof), and of course exploring the new binding possibilities exposed by this thread. (Which I personally find quite exciting, but also highly dangerous since some of the stuff required to cook this up is nasty shit indeed, and I have to say I believe this thread has propogated a need to 'home-cook'). This is irresponsibility at the highest level and the constant sensoring and misdirection given throughout this thread has damaged and not mitigated this.

Best to shut it down early on imo. Well anyway, the RC market is back in business again....hmm

/thread

+ to BL book of epic threads.

 

[Alcyone]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the product of this aromatic substitution and acetic acidation is an amphetamine and the principle of MDPV as a precursor has frightening potential.

Anyone ever considered the 3,4 DMMC & MDPV combo 'in vitro'?

I wish I could understand what you're talking about.

 

[I NUK3D U]

Contribution of the thread...

I wish I could understand what you're talking about.

PM me if you want. I'm not a chemist (you are I believe?), but I know my PV very well and I've been there and back with every ROA, vaping slowly off foil is best for me, but I can get quite an opiod type high with certain pipes.

This is not a simple chemical; the aromatic ring breaks quickly and starts to react with all reduced components forming new compound(s). The 'decomposition' is not necessary in the 'non-chemists' reaction. This simply (and slowly) acetates the 'mystery product' (3,4-methylenedioxypropiophenone?) into something of a nice 'amplified' product, whereas just simply adding acetone does the trick.

What are your views? The 3,4DMMC & MDPV pill combo is obviously a clever attempt to achieve similar results in vitro do you not think?

Anyway, the route to MDA is also very interesting indeed.

 

[Shambles]

Absolutely spot on. Hats off to you Rusted.

I don't know exactly what's going on here but this thread is obviously not 100% straight.

Too many people here thinking with their heart (desires) rather than their head (logic). I want sexy pv as much as anyone. But I won't lose my brain over it.

Too many obvious multiple accounts have tainted any credibility Stuffmonger might have. Even if he somehow is for real - I don't give a shit. His pv is tainted.

I can't be arsed working out this intricately weaved web. But I will say I'm fairly pissed off with the abuse the doubters have been made to suffer. And just because someone goes too far and starts coming up with photoshop conspiracies it doesn't make other real doubts invalid.



100% correct. He also made big noises about not being a greenlighter on his former, well-known, account. Well, via a 3rd party I checked that account. It has about 60 posts - hardly enough to be well-known and only just enough to be a BL'er.

And they all disappear don't they?

Wake up and check the post counts people. It's easy enough to do.

What do you get if you mix MDPV with OCD?

NSFW:

This thread.

Fuck...

SHM - I you.

Plain and simple.

But you are wrong on this one.

100%

Really.

 

[ektamine]

PM me if you want. I'm not a chemist (you are I believe?), but I know my PV very well and I've been there and back with every ROA, vaping slowly off foil is best for me, but I can get quite an opiod type high with certain pipes.

This is not a simple chemical; the aromatic ring breaks quickly and starts to react with all reduced components forming new compound(s). The 'decomposition' is not necessary in the 'non-chemists' reaction. This simply (and slowly) acetates the 'mystery product' (3,4-methylenedioxypropiophenone?) into something of a nice 'amplified' product, whereas just simply adding acetone does the trick.

What are your views? The 3,4DMMC & MDPV pill combo is obviously a clever attempt to achieve similar results in vitro do you not think?

Anyway, the route to MDA is also very interesting indeed.

Hmm, thought-provoking suggestions. I'm not chemically inclined enough to judge their viability, but interesting regardless.

@Alcyone, if you do have comments, PM if you must but also reply to this thread. I think its on-topic enough to be appropriate in this thread and I'm interested to hear more on it.

 

[ektamine]

PM me if you want. I'm not a chemist (you are I believe?), but I know my PV very well and I've been there and back with every ROA, vaping slowly off foil is best for me, but I can get quite an opiod type high with certain pipes.

This is not a simple chemical; the aromatic ring breaks quickly and starts to react with all reduced components forming new compound(s). The 'decomposition' is not necessary in the 'non-chemists' reaction. This simply (and slowly) acetates the 'mystery product' (3,4-methylenedioxypropiophenone?) into something of a nice 'amplified' product, whereas just simply adding acetone does the trick.

What are your views? The 3,4DMMC & MDPV pill combo is obviously a clever attempt to achieve similar results in vitro do you not think?

Anyway, the route to MDA is also very interesting indeed.

Hmm, thought-provoking suggestions. I'm not chemically inclined enough to judge their viability, but interesting regardless.

@Alcyone, if you do have comments, PM if you must but also reply to this thread. I think its on-topic enough to be appropriate in this thread and I'm interested to hear more on it.

 

[mauka]

Stuff...

ok, so I'm cooking... added:
320mg pv,
100ml h2o,
240mg baking soda
The baking soda did not fizz, at all

Am I missing something?
I can't say that the baking soda is "fresh"...

Suggestions on where to go from here?

 

[ektamine]

Stuff...

ok, so I'm cooking... added:
320mg pv,
100ml h2o,
240mg baking soda
The baking soda did not fizz, at all Is it supposed to be baking powder?

Am I missing something?
I can't say that the baking soda is "fresh"...

Suggestions on where to go from here?

Nope, baking soda is correct.

Baking soda is Sodium Bicarbonate.
Baking powder is a mixture, typically consisting of Sodium Bicarbonate, an Acid Salt, and an inert starch.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Sodium bicarb does need to be fresh if it is to be properly active in baking, I dunno how old yours is mauka, but you should get a brand new sealed one for this kind of shit I'd have thought.

 

[Shambles]

Or... just go the the cornershop? My 50p poundshop bins of the stuff are at least sealed... -- ooh! and also fizzy and stuff and that

 

[captain codshit]

PM me if you want. I'm not a chemist (you are I believe?), but I know my PV very well and I've been there and back with every ROA, vaping slowly off foil is best for me, but I can get quite an opiod type high with certain pipes.

This is not a simple chemical; the aromatic ring breaks quickly and starts to react with all reduced components forming new compound(s). The 'decomposition' is not necessary in the 'non-chemists' reaction. This simply (and slowly) acetates the 'mystery product' (3,4-methylenedioxypropiophenone?) into something of a nice 'amplified' product, whereas just simply adding acetone does the trick.

What are your views? The 3,4DMMC & MDPV pill combo is obviously a clever attempt to achieve similar results in vitro do you not think?

Anyway, the route to MDA is also very interesting indeed.

I would agree it is a complex chemical but AFAIK nobody in the UK has had any worthwhile result from this who has suceeded. And probably 10x as many have fucked up the conversion.

The tan seems way overhyped to what it actually is. The lab who originally produced the tan now sell pure white clumpy PV, and the people who've tried both say there is no difference. I even spoke to one mod who said he thought the white was better.

F&B even says in a post himself it's just myth. Although I know there are other ADD mods who disagree..

 

[sockpuppet]

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[stuffmonger]

Stuff...

ok, so I'm cooking... added:
320mg pv,
100ml h2o,
240mg baking soda
The baking soda did not fizz, at all

Am I missing something?
I can't say that the baking soda is "fresh"...

Suggestions on where to go from here?

I don't know what to say if the baking soda is not fizzing. Adding baking soda to even plain water at room temperature creates an exothermic reaction. Baking soda is NaHCO3 and water is H2O. Added together you get NaOH and H2CO3 which are sodium hydroxide and carbonic acid. Carbonic acid is the fizz in soda. The mixture releases CO2 gas when the H2CO3 breaks down into H2O and CO2.

If it's not fizzing, then either your water is not real water, or your baking soda is not real baking soda. Replace one or the other.

 

[I NUK3D U]

I would agree it is a complex chemical but AFAIK nobody in the UK has had any worthwhile result from this who has suceeded. And probably 10x as many have fucked up the conversion.

The tan seems way overhyped to what it actually is. The lab who originally produced the tan now sell pure white clumpy PV, and the people who've tried both say there is no difference. I even spoke to one mod who said he thought the white was better.

F&B even says in a post himself it's just myth. Although I know there are other ADD mods who disagree..

There maybe a correlation between the lack of success and the many frequent changes/sensorships to this thread...

 

[captain codshit]

TBH of all the PV I've done, pre ban & supposed "tan" which was cut, stuff direct from Asia. I can safely say the white clump stuff from Europe with only a slight smell is by far the cleanest, strongest & most wankathon enspiring PV I've tried. Although I never tried the original 06 tan this seems to do everything it was described to do.

Also PV is much better with GBL & booze added to the mix.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Fuck...

SHM - I you.

Plain and simple.

But you are wrong on this one.

100%

Really.

If only Nunezorro would come back. He had success with this. Shame he stopped posting after 3 posts. I imagine SM needed the computer back.

Can anyone explain why this thread, high on chemistry detail, is in EADD instead of ADD?

And wasn't SM going to disappear in a puff of paranoia back on p11? All highly entertaining stuff stuff. Carry on.