Hello and an MDPV Question

[Rusted Chains]

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[Shambles]

Nice to see a few reports of folk trying the technique and getting back to us. Shame it appears to be somewhat trickier than it seems at first glance. Everyone I know of who is having a go seems to be failing so far. Any success stories at all from anyone yet?

 

[drshitzu]

Avoid thats all i can say.

 

[stuffmonger]

doing this myself resulted in some of the some of the worst psychosis i've ever had. Almost as bad as the brown oil was.

i still can't get the quick and dirty right, the oil never turns dark yellow, it always vapourises off and i end up wired to fuck for a couple of days

OK. I think everyone should start using a test tube. With a test tube you can more easilly see the bubbling and the oil. If you use a wide flask it's difficult to see both. I think what's happening is people are missing the visual cues. It's very easy to vaporize the dark yellow oil, and if it's mingled with the precipitate you sometimes can't see it at all and it simply vaprizes while you're looking for it. In a test tube, it's impossible not to see it because of the narrow width. There will always be some oil against the glass. You can also see the pv freebase oil more easily since the thickness of the oil on the surface will be thicker. I've mentioned using a test tube a few times. With experience you can move to a wider flask if you like in order to do greater quantities at a time.

Barring that, there is a non-heating technique which I'll post pictures of later. It takes forever (couple of weeks at least) but avoids the issue of vaporizing the precipitated oil. It's fail safe but takes patience and work.

 

[Rusted Chains]

Nice to see a few reports of folk trying the technique and getting back to us. Shame it appears to be somewhat trickier than it seems at first glance. Everyone I know of who is having a go seems to be failing so far. Any success stories at all from anyone yet?

Not saying I had a go at it. You could call it hearsay. Good to hear from you Shambles...finally confirming what I have been saying all along.

Avoid thats all i can say.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Total lack of success by bluelighters and the repeated urging to "just try it" and post pictures is a liitle suspicious. It's called self incrimination. Let's run wild with that one and call this "webtryp2" HaHaHa.
By the way, anyone heard from Codders?

 

[Shambles]

Not sure that I was confirming anything other than it seems to be a tricky process was I? Don't see how that relates to your suspicions of shillery or whatever it was. And if you really think that boiling up what is a perfectly legal substance in much of the world to see what happens is self-incriminating I'm not quite sure how to respond. It clearly isn't. And even if it were it's up to the individual whether they wish to try this or discuss doing so. Besides, there's rather a lot of admissions of illegal drug use dotted around the site if you look closely

 

[stuffmonger]

Cold fusion

OK. Here's a foolproof technique that requires no re-heating:

Dissolve the pv. Add the bicarb. Heat to 60 degrees C. Shake slightly until the pv oil forms on the surface. remove from heat and let sit until it cools. Plug the container and shake well until the pv oil is well mixed. Let sit with a screen on top of the container (to keep out bugs). Make sure air can get in. Once a day re-agitate the mix. You want to get the pv oil well mixed in the with the bicarb precipitate. After a week or so you will notice a small amount of dark yellow oil precipitating to the bottom. It will be on top of the whitish precipitate. (The dark yellow oil is lighter than the precipitate but heavier than water). Continue until all of the light green oil on the surface is gone (two to three weeks). It will look like this:

A note: make sure the agitations completely mix the pv oil with the bicarb precipitate and make sure plenty of air can get into the container.

This is where you would be after the heating-re-heating cycle of the quick and dirty approach that is giving so much trouble.

There are two drawbacks to this technique:

1. A large amount of the oil will stick to the sides of the container through repeated agitations (see second image above). There is no practical way to reclaim this oil, so a fair amount of the product is lost.

2. There will be a large amount of pv hcl left in the solution due to the lower heat during freebasing. The solution will have to be siphoned off and fresh water added prior to pouring the solution into a dish for the evaporation phase. The hcl solution can be reclaimed through evaporation and re-used.

It's impossible to fuck this approach up, but it does have the above drawbacks.

 

[specialspack]

Not saying I had a go at it. You could call it hearsay. Good to hear from you Shambles...finally confirming what I have been saying all along.



Yeah, I was thinking the same. Total lack of success by bluelighters and the repeated urging to "just try it" and post pictures is a liitle suspicious. It's called self incrimination. Let's run wild with that one and call this "webtryp2" HaHaHa.
By the way, anyone heard from Codders?

Yawn. This is getting really boring. You're reading an awful lot in to what Shambles is saying. I'm sure he would agree that whatever he says about the process is by no means the final word on it.

webtryp2? Please...

 

[Rusted Chains]

Not sure that I was confirming anything other than it seems to be a tricky process was I?..... Besides, there's rather a lot of admissions of illegal drug use dotted around the site if you look closely

I agree with your first sentence. Besides, Stuffmongers persistance does count for something.

Your last sentence tells me you didn't grasp the seriousness of the potential situation. An admission of use is one thing....admitting to manufacture is a whole other ball of wax.

Sorry to bum you out Special. Just trying to have some fun. Wasn't meant to be a troll but...

 

[Shambles]

Admitting manufacture of a substance that is legal almost everywhere other than the UK is still hardly crime of the century though is it? People regularly admit to producing GHB in the GBL thread and that is definitely illegal pretty much everywhere. Whether or not a member thinks it risky to admit to doing such things is entirely up to them. Neither Stuffmonger nor anyone else is forcing anyone to do or say anything. He just posted an intriguing technique for possibly producing something that many peevee fiendz have been hankering after for years is all. Really don't see what the issue you seem to have with this thread is about, to be honest. Why read it if you don't like it?

 

[stuffmonger]

An admission of use is one thing....admitting to manufacture is a whole other ball of wax.

What's being manufactured?? Could be sugar for all the world knows and the reported results are due to some bizarre placebo effect. That's the crux of my question - what is this?

What would be nice is to have a bunch of people experimenting with pv and maybe one would come up with a substance that has the prosexual qualities without the euphoria. That would be a winner. We all know that any chemical that makes us feel good will eventually be banned. This is the reality. But something that merely increases libido has a chance of actually staying legal.

 

[DS_]

results are due to some bizarre placebo effect.

I agree.

 

[specialspack]

What would be nice is to have a bunch of people experimenting with pv and maybe one would come up with a substance that has the prosexual qualities without the euphoria. That would be a winner. We all know that any chemical that makes us feel good will eventually be banned. This is the reality. But something that merely increases libido has a chance of actually staying legal.

Although a prosexual drug that's so potent that it (by your own admission) can cause otherwise normal people to attempt sexual assault, molest animals etc probably isn't going to stay legal for very long...

 

[Rusted Chains]

Admitting manufacture of a substance that is legal almost everywhere other than the UK is still hardly crime of the century though is it? People regularly admit to producing GHB in the GBL thread and that is definitely illegal pretty much everywhere. Whether or not a member thinks it risky to admit to doing such things is entirely up to them. Neither Stuffmonger nor anyone else is forcing anyone to do or say anything. He just posted an intriguing technique for possibly producing something that many peevee fiendz have been hankering after for years is all. Really don't see what the issue you seem to have with this thread is about, to be honest. Why read it if you don't like it?

Wow, never said anyone was forcing people to do anything. Don't have an issue per se...I want this all to be real. I keep reading because I love this game. Wish I could pm this instead...hate filling the thread with junk.

What's being manufactured?? Could be sugar for all the world knows and the reported results are due to some bizarre placebo effect. That's the crux of my question - what is this?

If I were to hazard a guess....cathinone analog. Since you are the only one that has this substance, you alone hold the key to the answer my friend. There was talk of you sending it out to be analyzed earlier in this thread. Curious as to why you haven't done so if that's the crux of this "hello and an MDPV question" thread. It's not like you're trying to keep it a secret, right?

 

[stuffmonger]

. There was talk of you sending it out to be analyzed earlier in this thread. Curious as to why you haven't done so if that's the crux of this "hello and an MDPV question" thread. It's not like you're trying to keep it a secret, right?

I never said I would send it out. I offered it privately to a few advanced drug discussion members, but explicitly stated I didn't want to send it to a commercial lab.

I don't know what your problem is, but again, answering your questions is time consuming, energy draining and non-productive. I don't feel inclined to participate further in your inquiries.

 

[stuffmonger]

Although a prosexual drug that's so potent that it (by your own admission) can cause otherwise normal people to attempt sexual assault, molest animals etc probably isn't going to stay legal for very long...

Good point, although throughout much of Central America bestiality is perfectly legal

 

[Alcyone]

If I were to hazard a guess....cathinone analog.

Well, as usual I've got more questions than answers... but if I were to chance a guess, I'd say we're looking at a melanocortin-4 receptor agonist. I share your scepticism, but if we were to believe in the purportedly rather extreme pro-sexual qualities of the Tan Stuff, I just can't see how it could a be a simple cathinone.

I haven't tried it myself, nor have I tried MDPV, but it if this substance is really a potent sexual enhancer, also for women, I'm convinced that its mechanism of action has to be distinct from any other known serotonin/dopamine/noradrenaline releaser or reuptake inhibitor. I can understand and relate to how certain stimulants (e.g. methamphetamine) lower inhibitions and promote sexual desire, but in my book they're not really sexual enhancers, not by a longshot. This thing, if it's for real, has to be something entirely different.

Of course, as a chemist I have a hard time believing in its existence until someone can produce a shard of evidence in the form of an NMR or mass spectrum. I did, however, run a GC-MS on what I'm inclined to believe is the Tan Stuff, but it doesn't make any sense to me. Not yet, anyway.

On a side note, I'm surprised there isn't more interest in how this stuff actually works. Everybody is curious about it's composition or chemical structure, yet hardly anybody seems to care about its (possible) mechanism of action.

 

[zamzams]

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I'm interested Alcyone this stuff has been compared to ultimate sextasy has it not? does anyone know how that works?

Good point, although throughout much of Central America bestiality is perfectly legal

can i come and live with you?

lol only joking...

ok, so unfortunately due to my lack of self control my wife has frozen my funding altogether for Project Perverted Sexytime and confiscated all my lab gear just as the test tubes and flask arrived...

do i

a) keep quiet about it and try and make it behind her back risking my marriage and my sanity.

or

b) pass on the lab gear and hope that someone will donate me some when it's finally done.

answers on a postcard please!

 

[stuffmonger]

can i come and live with you?
ok, so unfortunately due to my lack of self control my wife has frozen my funding altogether for Project Perverted Sexytime and confiscated all my lab gear just as the test tubes and flask arrived...

do i

a) keep quiet about it and try and make it behind her back risking my marriage and my sanity.

or

b) pass on the lab gear and hope that someone will donate me some when it's finally done.

Keep quiet and make it. Wives are incredibly forgiving.

 

[zamzams]

thanks for the other method stuff.

no doubt once i get another window to make some i will try both methods, it's a slow process though with the wife and trust gotta be earnt plus with the amount of time it takes to dry trying to hide stuff is a artform in itself. i think she realised my intentions were somewhat?! ha! good