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Alcoholism Thread v. A sober life is a good life <3

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Ended up going out of town and getting really drunk on Saturday. Felt like garbage on Sunday. I drank far less then any of my friends and was still more hungover the next day (complete with shakes, and it has been awhile since I have had those)... I had fun and I needed to get out of town. Only had two beers the night before (Friday). Also, my friends started drinking the next morning while I did not.

Other then that it has been good.

I still feel like the anti-depressents are making a major difference. I just do not crave like I used to and its easy to stop after having a few (but I never really had a problem stopping after a beer or two if I want to, its more of the daily use that I am not happy about)
 
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Actually, I know this is a bit egotistical or stupid of me, but if there are any heavy spirit drinkers tried out my idea of gradually reducing doses (just use plastic bottles, label for the day, add horrid smell of your choice - although a healthy horrid smell!) each day - and see how it goes.

I was a bit quick with my taper, 100mls per day plus the fish oil, with each bottle marked with a line showing how much is in each. One could use slower tapers. I ended mine with a few days on 20mg Diazepam; I think three or four.

Although I think fish smelling/tasting Vodka would taste foul to just about all. But at least it's healthy. But it'd be interesting if this experiment works with others.

From what I remember, I used much less fish oil at first, so I didn't just go straight to the shop and buy another bottle, then slowly increased it to the lower doses so it turned more into just getting the booze over and done with. Oh, and I shook the fuck out of them each time before drinking to get it to mix well. The last few were the hardest to down without puking, but I managed. Maybe next time I might use a little less fish oil on those last ones, aside from the grand finale of 100mls.

Should I be recommending folk try this for my own curiosity? Hmm. Maybe. Who knows.

I guess I liken it to the water titration method of getting off benzos, only much worse tasting. I'd occasionally take the odd Diazepam after if I felt post W/Ds come on. But at that time, my tolerance to benzos was low enough that one dose would still effect the next day.

I'd love to have some alcoholic labrats (real rats) observed scientifically to see the results.

But really, after I'd finished the entire notion of drinking just made me feel ill. And I remembered how nice it was being at parties or social situations with no booze. Unwanted side effect was the amount of fine women who didn't drink much who were not of low-moral-fiber (Sorry; obscure Monkey Island reference) seemed to race to the 'sober' guy, rather than the drunk guy sleazing onto all in the room....
 
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I and others have had good success with tapers. I am not much of a hard liquor drinker though. Most find beer to be the best to use.
 
Certainly, tapers are the best. But when it tastes so sweet....

Many folk think Vodka is more or less ethanol with water, but some are so much more than that. Beers are great, and possibly my next route. As long as you can count!

In part, I think the vodka taper worked well for me, as I was using quite fine quality Vodkas, and having the taste of something so nice turn into a needed rotting fish drink was the perfect turn off.

Hardest part with tapers is actually... Well, tapering. Always so easy to get more. Although I was on my own (didn't want to be near a single soul whilst tapering) I think being with someone trustworthy to give out the next dose (I use the word dose over drink or shot with intention, as it's not meant for recreation.

A horrible idea, but a friend of mine who was a huge alcoholic eyballed a huge dose of Phenazepam, and when it finally wore off, he had no cravings. He was in my little group near a year past, but drank about three times as much as me. That Phenazepam seemed to be going strong after about nine days. Never do this. Thankfuly he never did anything stupid... Mostly slept, and chatted a bit whilst awake. Revealed some embarrassing secrets, but was probably a better seeming person than when he was doing his three or more bottles each night. Not a big fellow, but he only acted 'drunk' or seemed so when he was just near the middle of that third bottle of whiskey or whatever. But fuck, the amount of throwing up he had to do whenever he woke up was crazy. Then again after breakfast... After that, shaking until he could down a half of his next. Spirits can be damned evil. I got to that point once, and am a bit scared I'm heading there again. I was there once, but benzos saved me. Sheer hell. Wake up, throw up, get to shops before closing to get more booze whilst shaking and sweating, drinking enough to be social enough to uh... Drink at a bar, then drinking enough to get to sleep.

For those who have beaten the addiction or are near to people who are stuck into it, us alcos can really get good around folk after a bottle, and folk never knowing about the booze.....

I really wish there better alternatives that gave a simillar effect with less dangerous metabolites, no addictive traits and side effects for the predisposed, stuck in the middle already, or an 'addictive personality'. I hate that addictive personality thing. It just means folk easily succptable to anything.

I'm fucking stuck right now. Guess I've ruined my mind enough to have taken my old 'quick' wit and such I was once proud of. I often spend days and days in bed. Just drinking and using the internet... Just anything to avoid going out, aside from a quick dash to get some booze and some really shit food. I need a plan.
 
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Right now im struggling very hard not to drink. It's been on my mind all day. Sometimes i think it would be best for everyone if i just dissapeared somewhere and drank myself into oblivion :|
 
^ No, man. Think about it...we both know how bad drinking heavily can get - both on my the body and on the mind. Taking that to the extreme...that would be the most horrific experience ever.

I find that the clonazepam/gabapentin combination actually quells my alcohol cravings quite well. Does this not feel the same for you? (Which is why I am happy I got my scripts today, since last week involved a lot of celebrating. Not completely bad since I've just moved and got to see and have fun with old friends, but still like...ugg on the body after the weekend was over).
 
I could make a point(this is not to insult anyone anyway). Getting alcoholised takes years (10-15, even 20 years). If it's just partying and age under 25 IMHO it's just looking for fittable boy/girlfriend to get settled and marriage. With my experience i can say after 15 years or over 30 years old it's loosening of the game.

I can warn about party people about morning drinks, it stars from those. Later after few long sexual relationships it's just goofying to score booze/wine or even beer after spent welfare/whatever money in two/three weeks. And stealing becomes mandatory otherwise lethargy/depression gets too far.

And benzos help a shit if gone long, just complete loss of memory and fooling socially.

I'm not sure anymore but Finland used to be third worst alcohol consumption country after Russia and Poland, we have a country full of old alcoholistics and even young(under 25). Don't know the real reason but we just are so that TV or nothing normal entertainment satisfies and summer outdoor boozing is so heavily mandatory that no level. And the damn winters are that just sit on front TV on drunk and realise nothing.

Dating or marriage is the only possibility to avoid the dying to pancreas cancer or to other alcohol diseases.
 
i was sober for months then something inside just snapped a few weeks ago and i tumbled back into drinking lots :( spent $100 on alcohol last month and that doesn't seem like a lot if you're buying drinks at the bar but this was all liquor and beer store purchases. nowadays when i try to deny myself the pleasure i can only sustain it for 2-3 days then like a narcoleptic zombie i find myself with another bottle in hand. FUCK!!!!!!!
 
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^ No, man. Think about it...we both know how bad drinking heavily can get - both on my the body and on the mind. Taking that to the extreme...that would be the most horrific experience ever.

I find that the clonazepam/gabapentin combination actually quells my alcohol cravings quite well. Does this not feel the same for you? (Which is why I am happy I got my scripts today, since last week involved a lot of celebrating. Not completely bad since I've just moved and got to see and have fun with old friends, but still like...ugg on the body after the weekend was over).
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Ya the clonazepam and gabapentin combo helps the cravings for sure but when my depression gets really bad it doesent cut it really. When im loaded drunk i really don't care about anything which is both a good and bad thing i guess. Right now a blackout doesent sound so bad.

But i think i'll just take a load of gabapentin to help the cravings abit anyway.
 
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nowadays when i try to deny myself the pleasure i can only sustain it for 2-3 days then like a narcoleptic zombie i find myself with another bottle in hand. FUCK!!!!!!!
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Yep, this is my exact cycle at the moment too man. Hey, it's better than drinking every day, which is what I was doing for the previous few years up until about 2 weeks ago. But seriously, I can't make it for longer than 3 days sober either.....
How long have you been drinking again thujone? Was there something that triggered you specifically?


I'm actually going to my doctor tomorrow to see if they can prescribe me Wellbutrin, after my complete mental breakdown yesterday....does anyone know if it helps with reducing alcohol cravings?
 
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Yep, this is my exact cycle at the moment too man. Hey, it's better than drinking every day, which is what I was doing for the previous few years up until about 2 weeks ago. But seriously, I can't make it for longer than 3 days sober either.....
How long have you been drinking again thujone? Was there something that triggered you specifically?


I'm actually going to my doctor tomorrow to see if they can prescribe me Wellbutrin, after my complete mental breakdown yesterday....does anyone know if it helps with reducing alcohol cravings?
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I don't think it does, unfortunately. At least a search revealed nothing on alcohol, but it can be used for stimulant addiction.
 
Damn. Yeah I did a search and found nothing linking the two either. Oh well.
Thanks for looking too mukaki :)
 
I have truly lost my ways. I am now lying for the drink and am finding myself to not care about anything yet deep down inside I do.

I last 4 - 5 days without a drink and then cave in for whatever known reason. At the moment i've been unproductive as anything which is quite disappointing. Family are pissed off more then ever and I don't understand how I lost my baring on life and why I am digging into a shit road.

Lucky enough I didn't gamble today even though I wanted to...
 
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Yep, this is my exact cycle at the moment too man. Hey, it's better than drinking every day, which is what I was doing for the previous few years up until about 2 weeks ago. But seriously, I can't make it for longer than 3 days sober either.....
How long have you been drinking again thujone? Was there something that triggered you specifically?


I'm actually going to my doctor tomorrow to see if they can prescribe me Wellbutrin, after my complete mental breakdown yesterday....does anyone know if it helps with reducing alcohol cravings?
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Ive heard of wellbutrin being used to help cocaine and amphetamine cravings but not any gaba drugs like alcohol. Though i think the reason alcohol tends to be more fun for alot of people as opposed to benzos is it's effects on dopamine. I take wellbutrin and i don't find it to work well on treating alcohol cravings at all.

If you are in alcohol withdrawal wellbutrin wouldnt be a good idea because of it's tendency to lower the seizure threshold.
 
drank for a week straight after quitting for 5 days. just beer but lots of it. now im quitting and putting valium in my system. i hate my beer gut
 
phenazepam for alcohol w/d/tapering if you have the perseverance to self-medicate. just read up on the damn drug before using it.
 
i have valiums, xanax and ativan

this isnt the first time wd from alcohol, it seems to be more uncomfortable each time.
 
man, i have really felt like drinking lately. not just having a couple but going on a serious bender. probably related to feeling really stressed out lately.
 
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