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We should! I'm coming down offa some 4-methoxy-PCP, about to drive from Austin to Cali!

I didn't expect to see a post telling a story like yours here; I offered my standpoint based on the fact that an acute CB1/CB2 agonist overdose, or hell any psychedelic, cannabinoid, or dissociative drug overdose, probably couldn't cause any nerve damage of the type you suffer from.

I'm not trying to tell everyone in the world to meditate their pain away; just that someone who has suffered a textbook 'panic attack' and now suffers from textbook 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder' should realize that in a healthy and normally functioning nervous system, most pain is psychosomatic.

Fair enough! Obviously this is a touchy subject for me, after all I've been through these past years since we've been out of contact.

Enjoy your trip (no pun intended, heh)....I miss Cali a lot these days but we have just begun to settle into a nice house here in New England and we're focusing all our money/time/energy on that. I have kids now, and I got married, so that stuff plus the whole being gimped/horrible pain thing tends to keep me pretty well anchored =D
 
I think that many folks, including the more knowledgeable like you and I and some of these other thread participants, tend to make the mistake of assuming that because the JWH, CP, etc. class cannabinoids act on the same receptors (CB1/CB2 primarily....though there are plenty of other receptors such as vanilloid, terpenoid, and so on which are also potential targets) as natural and FDA-approved synthetic cannabinoids, that they will have the same effects.

I can't posit an exact method of action -- if I could, we'd be far closer to understanding what is happening to Morrow and others who've reported these neuropathy-like effects -- but I don't think this is a matter of "simple overdose." In fact I suspect that 'normal' recreational dosages could affect some people quite badly the very first time, while for others it could take long-term use at high doses to bring on these effects....or they may not be susceptible to them at all without some kind of external trigger or "drug interaction" (even if the "drug" is actually a unique personal biochemistry rather than an external substance).

The natural (THC, CBD, CBN, THCV, et al) and well-known synthetic (Nabilone, for example) cannabinoids have very unique neuroprotective, neural-plasticity-inducing,
immune modulating and inflammation-fighting properties.

Imagine that all other traits are preserved, but that these benefits are absent from JWH-class molecules (I'm not saying this is the case....it's just the simplest possibility that I can think of off of the top of my head). It's possible that these beneficial effects are preventing cannabis itself from being harmful....and without them, one or more other cannabinoid effects are coming to the fore which have almost the exact reverse effect versus what we'd expect out of cannabis itself.

After all, just look at opiates.....pure agonists, mixed ag/antag, and pure antagonist opioids have dramatically different, and often dead opposite, effects. But even within those individual categories, there can be wide variations in effects as well as tolerance, dependence and withdrawal profiles. Yet they're all acting primarily on the same opiate receptors, right?

So, if cannabis and low-dose naltrexone have similar immune modulating properties that help reduce auto-immune disease symptoms at the source, prevent infections, slow/reverse cancer progression, cause neuropathies including MS to go into remission, etc.....then I would expect that if one tried enough different opioid-class molecules, one could induce the precise opposite effects. Cause neuropathies, make a wide range of immune-related diseases worse or even cause them in the first place, make the patient prone to infection or cancer, etc....

Thusly, while I am wishing I could posit a more specific mechanism of action (excessive over-amping of neural signaling by direct p-glycoprotein induction? reduction in levels of inhibitory neurotransmitters like GABA and endorphins?)....I think that the general method by which this happened to Morrow and other unfortunate "crash test dummies" can be sketched out in at least the broad strokes.

One interesting conclusion that could be drawn from the above-mentioned vague theory is the notion that cannabis could potentially reverse or moderate these symptoms.

Some commenters scoffed at the notion that "more drugs" could do anything but make Morrow Syndrome sufferers worse....but if it's as relatively simple as what I've described, then it's very possible that some treatments -- despite the unlikelihood of an actual cure -- could be derived from what are normally considered recreational substances, or "supplements" that are of limited use to healthy people.

As unpleasant as it is to experiment on oneself with a high likelihood that one will make oneself worse several times before finding anything that actually helps....it's possible that trying out a few things like cannabis use, GABA/other neurochemical precursor supplementation, etc may be one of the best ways of both diagnosing this strange syndrome and of developing avenues of relief.

We should! I'm coming down offa some 4-methoxy-PCP, about to drive from Austin to Cali!

I didn't expect to see a post telling a story like yours here; I offered my standpoint based on the fact that an acute CB1/CB2 agonist overdose, or hell any psychedelic, cannabinoid, or dissociative drug overdose, probably couldn't cause any nerve damage of the type you suffer from.

I'm not trying to tell everyone in the world to meditate their pain away; just that someone who has suffered a textbook 'panic attack' and now suffers from textbook 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder' should realize that in a healthy and normally functioning nervous system, most pain is psychosomatic.
 
ur not the only one

dood, i smoke spice and similar product cuz of obvious reasons. it doesn't have that effect on me, however i work with a guy who said something similar to what u describe. not near as bad, but the headache ect. sux for u dood. wish i could stick to REAL budz. anyways, looks like ur not alone.
 
^dood, you're a noob. welcome to bluelight! :)

I smoke spice and spice-alike products a few times a week since I got out of rehab and was scared of being drug tested by family at first. I ended up liking it very much, and find that various blends seem to have their own feel to them, suggesting different synthetic cannabinoids. I look at it like this: I was addicted to opiates, and various different opiates/opioid substances have similar, but different overall effects. It's like comparing codeine, morphine, or thebaine to THC, and semi and fully synthetic opiates like oxycodone or hydromorphone to JWH-018 or JWH-073. As natural and semi/fully synthetic opiates work similarly on your mu-opioid receptors, so will natural and synthetic cannabinoids work similarly on your CB1/CB2 receptors.

All this talk of cannabinoids has me ready to smoke a bowl of P-91. %)

much love,
stonedandrolling89
 
I am and have been an everyday smoker of k2 and other such insenses for about a month and ahalf. The other day my friends got together and I rolled a joint of k2 summit, k2 pink, and m@ry joy (there are a few more k2's at my local shop than you listed) I had smoked a few bowls earlier in the night but this joint was extremely insane! It was just indescribable, and your post was a very good review of the effects of k2. :)

I also have done some research and have found that k2 is not the most healthy thing to be smoking.. I only smoke it because I have a habbit, I guess you could say, of getting high. I was an everyday marijuana smoker, but ended up getting in trouble one to many times, so I have resorted to the "imitations" and I have to say I am quite impressed.
:)
 
Kids are landing in the ER from this shit. Lemme find the link.

Leading physicians agree that the “fake weed” is dangerous. "It's like playing Russian roulette. You don't know what it's going to do to you," Clemson University’s organic chemist John Huffman told Fox News. In Missouri, a 14-year-old vomited, suffered seizures, and even quit breathing after smoking a small amount of K2. He remained unconscious for five hours and spent the night in the ICU. Similar cases are being reported across the country, including 14 right here in Georgia. A teen in Atlanta went into a coma and almost died this past weekend. He has since recovered fully, but he considers himself lucky and is telling other teens about the dangers of K2. Georgia legislators are currently trying to ban the synthetic pot.

http://www.examiner.com/x-3958-Atla...ngerous-and-growing-in-popularity-among-teens

A lot of my friends have been using this stuff because it doesn't show up in NIDA5 drug screens, and they were in outpatient treatment.

Also: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=495400

Also bnichol, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be posting source links bro.
 
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Hey! I'm glad to find this forum. I too didn't expect any adverse reactions because everyone says how great it is, so I tried it. Unfortunately I OD'd on it and that sucked. The next few days I had panic attacks, night sweats, insomnia and fast heart rates. Now I'm just REALLY hungry constantly, anything I eat makes my head ache bad and it feels like it's on fire or being electrocuted. Drinking water helps that I think, but the other night it completely knocked me out after eating. Also my muscles twitch a lot it's a pain. I'll never do another mystery drug again and I hope I can recover from this, I just want my life back.

I wish there was someone who knew how to help, I lost 10 lbs in just a few weeks and anything I eat just goes unprocessed.
 
Maybe some or all of you are suffering from Serotonin Syndrom. Certainly all of your symptoms are within it's scope. If thats the case you should seek to get a prescription for a serotonin antagonist such as cyproheptadine and also seek treatment for the psychological effects.
Good luck and I'm sorry your having such a tough time.
 
Looking at Serotonin on Wikipedia and looking at JWH-018 it looks like JWH-018 has a possible Serotonin metabolite? or similar to serotonin if I'm able to go off the images alone. Could this be in the system after a couple months possibly still causing problems or could it have been metabolized and caused serotonin syndrome?
 
I too have had horrible adverse effects from smoking jwh-018. I posted my experience in another thread ( http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=8504197#post8504197 ) This was only two days ago. Yesterday I woke up and was very dizzy. Throughout the day I felt nauseous and had strange headaches. Today has been the same. Someone suggested taking neurontin or lyrica because one of the sufferers claimed that beer helped his headaches & alcohol, neurontin & lyrica all work on the gaba receptors. I took 500mg of lyrica last night and my headache subsided. Tonight I took another 300mg of lyrica & my headache subsided within minutes. Riding in a vehicle really provokes my headaches & nausea. One symptom I am dealing with is having problems focusing on things (with my eyes) and I have some other abnormal vision problems that I can't quite put into words.

I have read all the reports on OD's from this chemical that I can find and most of the symptoms reported I am suffering. My headaches do not seem as bad as others, but one or two people have reported that theirs did not start until a week or two after ingestion. I hope my fate is not sealed.

I wonder if there is something in common that the sufferers of these symptoms have. Possibly a common vendor (obviously pure jwh-018 is different than all of the herbal blends) or possibly a common diet or maybe even a medical condition. I was told that my sample was more than 99.9% pure, however I seriously doubt that. It is a fine, off-white powder (slightly brownish like the colour of a crisped opana) Maybe there are unreacted contaminants that are causing this to happen - maybe not.

The suggestion that it could be serotonin syndrome is quite unsettling. I have not gone to a professional for help yet, but if the problem gets worse I may. The problem is that no one knows what to do about this anyway. PLEASE THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU TRY ANY RC. DONT IGNORE THE NEGATIVE REPORTS AND IN THE CASE OF SYNTHETIC CANNABINOIDS -- THEY ARE NO JOKE. I have experimented with 2C-I, 2C-T-2, n,n-DMT and 1,4 BDO. I had a healthy fear of these chemicals - still not nearly enough. With jwh-018 I was far too careless and now I am in the middle of a serious reality check.

Peace & GL to all of those going through hell because of a synthetic cannabinoid.
 
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http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2010/02/k2_spice_jwh018_marijuana.php

"I'm not going out on a limb to say that this statement of Missouri Rep. Ward Frantz might be a bit hysterical at this point but I could be wrong. Human toxicology studies have not been done and the indole moiety of the drug dose raise the possibility that it may cause serotonin syndrome, a potentially fatal but relatively rare disorder. Otherwise, this concern is far overblown when compared with other drug issues in America's heartland such as methamphetamine."

I hope that we dont all have serotonin syndrome.. on the other hand @ least it is a known disorder.

One of you guys who are going to the Dr. should ask about this disorder and post the results on this thread. Please Please Please.
 
There's no explanation being put forth for how JWH-018 could cause serotonin syndrome. There's no reason to think that's plausible.
 
After looking into it more i completely agree. Also, serotonin syndrome doesn't last long usually. I am feeling much better today, however some side effects are still lingering. I think I just smoked way too much & will be back to normal soon. I am even thinking about smoking some more. I got a different batch today that I had ordered before my mishap. It looks like another substance completely.
 
I used to have headaches when i smoked K2. But now i dont anymore, It wasnt like a headache just sometimes i would get this sharp pain in my head that would last a second and go away. But it doesnt happen that much so i just keep blazing :] <3 JWH-018 gets me stoned as fuckkkkkk.
 
Man oh man, I gotta say, thanks for posting this thread. I've been reading about JWH, K2, spice, et al, and I've been a little on the fence, but something just didn't feel right about it to me. Probably just the lack of info mainly, and also having regular access to good chron and not having any reason in my personal life to make the switch or even check it out other than mere curiousity. I have a few friends who enjoy it, one who even swears by it(in the army and gets tested regularly). But now, I've read about this occuring to a few different people--yes it's rare, but no reason to tempt the gods' cruel sense of humor.

The natural (THC, CBD, CBN, THCV, et al) and well-known synthetic (Nabilone, for example) cannabinoids have very unique neuroprotective, neural-plasticity-inducing,
immune modulating and inflammation-fighting properties.

Imagine that all other traits are preserved, but that these benefits are absent from JWH-class molecules (I'm not saying this is the case....it's just the simplest possibility that I can think of off of the top of my head). It's possible that these beneficial effects are preventing cannabis itself from being harmful....and without them, one or more other cannabinoid effects are coming to the fore which have almost the exact reverse effect versus what we'd expect out of cannabis itself.

Now that you mention this, I was watching a documentary on BBC America over here, called "Should I Smoke Dope?"(weed dope not H lol). It was about a BBC reporter who was basically a weed virgin, living in Amsterdam and working at a hash cafe for a month, partaking in weed daily as a sort of study. It was rather interesting, but the point is, at the end, she went to a center for psychological and mental health, something like that(it was an officially-recognized british medical establishment I believe).

They were doing a study they allowed her to partake in, basically, they administered(via needle, I believe it was IV) THC and the associated Cannibinoids, so she received all the elements she would from taking a normal hit. They had rated her mental state of health on the standardized test while she was sober, she scored a normal 1. She scored a bit higher, but still "mentally healthy" 3 when stoned as if from smoking weed(this was at the end of her month, so she was acclimated to being high)--I believe 4 or 5 was where psychosis began on the scale, albeit very mild. Well, the next part of the test was administered 5-6 or so days later, and was just THC, to study what role the cannibinoids play, and why some people(who may not process said cannibinoids normally when partaking in marijuana) react so negatively to a drug WIDELY considered almost miracle-like. Well, it was instantly clear that it was much, much worse without the c-noids. She was clearly physically and mentally uncomfortable as soon as it kicked in. When the psychological test was administered, THIS TIME she scored something like a 13-14, which is considered manifestations of somewhat severe schizophrenia. Some interesting food for thought about what some of these chemicals could do if some people can't process all elements of the drug correctly. My well wishes and good thoughts are with anyone suffering from this though.
 
i watched same bbc documentry and it really made me wonder something after seeing the wildly difference in THC and cannabanoids.why are growers-more so skunk-trying to up the THC and not the canabanoids.to me it seemed it would be far more enjoyable
 
I had an MRI done yesterday; waiting on the results. My CT scan was normal. I'm currently on the anti depressant amitriptyline, which is used for people with migraines, but it seems to be doing little to nothing except make me tired.

This really sucks, why me? :(

I don't know for sure but a common link here is that both you guys are on different psychotropic drugs for depression and 'attention deficit'. I was on Effexor for a while and it had some weird effects physically.
 
Man oh man, I gotta say, thanks for posting this thread. I've been reading about JWH, K2, spice, et al, and I've been a little on the fence, but something just didn't feel right about it to me. Probably just the lack of info mainly, and also having regular access to good chron and not having any reason in my personal life to make the switch or even check it out other than mere curiousity. I have a few friends who enjoy it, one who even swears by it(in the army and gets tested regularly). But now, I've read about this occuring to a few different people--yes it's rare, but no reason to tempt the gods' cruel sense of humor.



Now that you mention this, I was watching a documentary on BBC America over here, called "Should I Smoke Dope?"(weed dope not H lol). It was about a BBC reporter who was basically a weed virgin, living in Amsterdam and working at a hash cafe for a month, partaking in weed daily as a sort of study. It was rather interesting, but the point is, at the end, she went to a center for psychological and mental health, something like that(it was an officially-recognized british medical establishment I believe).

They were doing a study they allowed her to partake in, basically, they administered(via needle, I believe it was IV) THC and the associated Cannibinoids, so she received all the elements she would from taking a normal hit. They had rated her mental state of health on the standardized test while she was sober, she scored a normal 1. She scored a bit higher, but still "mentally healthy" 3 when stoned as if from smoking weed(this was at the end of her month, so she was acclimated to being high)--I believe 4 or 5 was where psychosis began on the scale, albeit very mild. Well, the next part of the test was administered 5-6 or so days later, and was just THC, to study what role the cannibinoids play, and why some people(who may not process said cannibinoids normally when partaking in marijuana) react so negatively to a drug WIDELY considered almost miracle-like. Well, it was instantly clear that it was much, much worse without the c-noids. She was clearly physically and mentally uncomfortable as soon as it kicked in. When the psychological test was administered, THIS TIME she scored something like a 13-14, which is considered manifestations of somewhat severe schizophrenia. Some interesting food for thought about what some of these chemicals could do if some people can't process all elements of the drug correctly. My well wishes and good thoughts are with anyone suffering from this though.

I think they probably just gave her too much. Cannabis is so potent when you don't have a tolerance for it.
 
There's no explanation being put forth for how JWH-018 could cause serotonin syndrome. There's no reason to think that's plausible.

Yeah, this is some hyped up crazy shit... unless it has some magical/unique/unidentified mechanism to induce SS. SS is not something that you can be unsure of whether you have it or not, believe me on that lol.


JWH xxx's can produce super anxiety attacks, which obviously don't go with anxiogenic hypochondriacs.
 
yeah serotonin syndrome would be fatal in some cases. surely JWH woulda killed somebody by now if it caused serotonin syndrome. whoever said that was a dumbass.
 
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