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Timothy Leary

what you'r missing is the addition of power structures, industry, government, thus the ability to exploit. yes, dinosaurs had to compete for food in that they had to get to it first, but there was never a few dinosaurs that grew all the food and raised all the stock and then forced others to cut thier grass so they could eat.
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Dinosaurs were wild animals. Dinosaurs ate other dinosaurs. Many reptiles eat their young and dinosaurs did too. Would you rather the other humans just eat you??

you just bashed leary b/c you couldn't grasp a concept of his.
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"Dropping out" is hardly Leary's concept. I grasp it better then you do. I see its flaws when taken in the wrong way.

Is anyone here willing to admit that maybe LSD, the so called ego dissolving drug, took Tim Leary's ego for a ride?
 
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So to answer your question, yes, he did go to a private, rich school
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Wrong. Unless you call state universities "private, rich school". Now lets keep this thread about leary, not me. Completely off topic posts will get warnings.
 
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I actually think that Leary got more negative press for psychedelics than say someone like Ken Kesey (and the merry pranksters).

Leary was itching for a fight. After reading the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, yes Leary did some good things with psychedelics, even if the scientific methods left something to be desired (the expt giving psilocin to repeat offender prisoners), but he also had very fixed ideas that brought him into head on conflict with the authorities; and when he threw his lot in with the Weathermen, it made him a bona fide outlaw. Kesey on the other hand, bemused a lot of citizens, but didn't go looking for a fight; authority just saw him as some sort of deranged author.

I still like Leary though, and I'm glad he managed his last wish - to get his ashes into space.
 
Yeah but lets face it, the right-wing capitalist fucks running America would have banned acid sooner or later anyway. Just like they banned Ecstasy and every other drug.
 
I've personally never been a fan of Leary's movement or philosophy, for reasons I will not go into now. But it's funny how a man who preached that all must dissolve their routine egos and remove themselves from social games and society, was never known for his modesty.

Here is a quote from Aldous Huxley, shortly before his death. I think it might be of some relevance to this discussion.

"What about Tim Leary? I spent many an evening with him as he talked such nonsense... that I became quite concerned. Not about his sanity—because he is perfectly sane—but about his prospects in the world; for this nonsense talking is just another device for annoying people in authority, flouting convention, cocking snooks at the academic world; it is the reaction of the mischievous Irish boy to the headmaster of the school."
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But it's funny how a man who preached that all must dissolve their routine egos and remove themselves from social games and society, was never known for his modesty.

Alan Watts preached Zen and buddhist inner peace while he was a suicidally depressed alcoholic. I think you can still offer ideas without leading the life of a christ.

Here is a quote from Aldous Huxley, shortly before his death

I love Aldous too but to his idea of giving LSD to only the "artists and the elite" and preventing it's use among the "general public who cannot handle it" was obnoxious, elitist crap.
 
Watts may have been an alcoholic but when it came to humility on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd give him a 8, whereas Leary I'd give a 2. Watts even warned about Buddhists seeing themselves in a exclusionary sort of way, that such would enhance egotism. With Leary OTOH it was always the establishment that was "wrong" and his following that was "right", an utterly simplistic "us and them" mentality.

As for Huxley, he may have been a little bit elitist, but the fact is psycyhedelics are dangerous drugs many people in the general public aren't ready for them. While I don't believe in restricting access to psychedelics, Leary's evangalism of LSD, even to teenagers, lead to many people using it who weren't ready for it.

That a person is depressed, suicidal or an alcoholic is really their personal problem and none of my business. If a person is elitist and think he's better than others, thats his prerogative. But when person is running around telling teenagers "take this drug" and "drop out", its a little different.
 
IMHO Leary ruined it for all of us. Even Dr. Hoffman felt that way. If Leary didn't go off the deep end, we may not have seen the rampant prohibition that we see today.
 
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Yeah but lets face it, the right-wing capitalist fucks running America would have banned acid sooner or later anyway. Just like they banned Ecstasy and every other drug.
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Man, right wing or left, democrat or republican, it don't matter, society (aside from us here at BL) does not want to accept 'drugs' into our system.

Therefore, whomever happens to be in control at any time, will and can make more money from the hard workers here in the US from busting people with 'mind altering substances' than if the substances were legal and selling like hotcakes.

I can't stand how greedy these fuckers are, it's all about job security for the DEA and undercover forces. The president and all of bush's (bitch's) little minions will stop at nothing to keep power and everything in their favor.

There isn't a god damn thing we can do except go underground or protest :p and we tried the underground method with the RC's, but too many people abused that privilege, so we got our fun taken from (alot) of us.

In conclusion, no matter what Leary did or what actions he took, LSD would be illegal for the simple fact that it is regarded as a hallucinogenic or 'psychotic' (if you will) drug, and there is no place for it in society to serve any benefit.

I feel it will be quite a few years to get a good YOUNGER president and congress in the house, and we might see some change for the good. And maybe someday the benefits of these substances will be able to be WELL studied and not feared by the public. This is one wish I have wanted to come true for years and years, but the government is just too stuck on their ideas.

That is all for now, sorry about all the bush bashing (well not really, fuck that fucker it IS a free country isn't it??). HA HA :p

Much Love
 
From what I've read, Leary was the one who emphasized psychadelic drug safety way more than Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters. Emphasis on mental preparation, having a guide, he even says to set aside three days for your experience (day 1 prep, day 2 trip, day 3 recover). The Merry Pranksters were the ones giving LSD to the public, often with people not knowing what they had taken.
 
Timothy Leary's 8 Circuts of Consciousness

Below is a link that i found on erowid about timothy leary's 8 circuts of consciousness. Im just trying to get some feedback as to what other people think about this idea so any opinions or further discussion would be helpful. I am a little confused as to how he relates the stages to different drugs and their effects.




http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/leary_timothy/leary_timothy_8-circuit.shtml
 
It's interesting, but I honestly don't think a lot of Timothy Leary's theories are grounded in much, just really fascinating and intelligent speculation. I'm not saying that the eight-circuit thing is NOT the case, simply that any evidence for this case is murky at best, if there is any at all.

Of course, I could be ignorant of it, which means that I am going to be bombarded with posts the contrary :)
 
I'm trying to play with it these days.

I just began reading R. A. Wilson Prometheus rising. (I am still looking for my first quarter!) And I read this article:

http://www.realitysandwich.com/Eight_Circuit_Brain

I think it is a great idea dn I'm currently playing with those notions. I'm beginning by using integration techniques for eveything I leanr. It's difficult though!

I'll try to post more later! Sorry now I'm in a hurry!
 
Quite hard to prove or disprove the 'existence' of such circuits, isn't it? The distinction he suggests makes sense in a way, it exists by definition. But if you plan on looking in the brain and discovering evidence for separately operating modes, good luck.

It's interesting, intriguing to consider as one way to look at things, that I have to say. I kind of ends there, although you can use the ideas for your own thinking and theorizing.

If you like this model, be sure to check out Robert Anton Wilson's work. It's better, if you ask me. "Prometheus Rising" is a good book.
 
It's interesting, intriguing to consider as one way to look at things, that I have to say. I kind of ends there, although you can use the ideas for your own thinking and theorizing.
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this basically sums up my feelings about it.

obviously, anyone who believes evolution isn't a guided process is going to object to this model since it includes circuits designed for our future evolution.
 
I have often felt that Leary's circuits relate to the Quabbalah Tree of Knowledge....
 
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I just began reading R. A. Wilson Prometheus rising. (I am still looking for my first quarter!) And I read this article:

http://www.realitysandwich.com/Eight_Circuit_Brain

I think it is a great idea dn I'm currently playing with those notions. I'm beginning by using integration techniques for eveything I leanr. It's difficult though!

I'll try to post more later! Sorry now I'm in a hurry!
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One of my favorite books. I think it's a really good foundation and is pretty spot on with how our brain functions, but of course is not 100% accurate. I look at it as a good way to organize the different levels of self awareness and a good starting point for analyzing how others think. I can see pretty clearly when people are stuck in a certain "circuit" and can easily apply it to myself as well so I think it is grounded in some truth.
 
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