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The Big & Dandy Worst Psychedelics thread

rincewindrocks said:
Salvia, DXM, PCP, Ketamine, Belladonna & Datura, Morning Glory Seeds

basically, any of the 'fake" psychs
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I think Salvia and Ketamine are pretty awesome. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the deliriants and I don't like DXM either. I haven't tried PCP.

Also, thank you swilow for the DPT v DMT description. I have a great desire to try both.
 
rincewindrocks said:
Salvia, DXM, PCP, Ketamine, Belladonna & Datura, Morning Glory Seeds

basically, any of the 'fake" psychs
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I really don't see how you can call these fake. I've only tried salvia and LSA (from HBWR) from this list, but damn they sure as fuck aint fake.
 
The worst trip I've ever had was from extracted LSA. I used absinthe as the solvent in the latter stage of extracting it which would also have contributed thujone and wormwood oil to the mixture. It was probably the fourth or fifth time I'd taken it and by far the worst, I ingested it sublingually but it took me around four hours to get past the giddiness caused by the initial effects and the thujone-based stimulation by which point one of my fellow travellers had passed out (he was monumentally drunk when we took it) and the other had gone to bed. As soon as the proper open-eye visuals started I got a powerful wave of dysphoria and perhaps because I'd been drinking as well I failed to get a grip on myself and stop it in its tracks. I ended up spending the next seven or eight hours trying to brace myself psychologically and checking my watch every twenty or thirty seconds counting down to the comedown. Probably the only truely awful trip I've ever had but it was possibly more a result of setting - tripping whilst both drunk and hungover - than the substance itself.
 
^ Agreed that taking LSA when drunk and/or hungover is a whole lotta no fun. The only time I've puked on HBWR (or even felt nauseous) was munching 12 seeds after nearly three bottles of red wine. Cue the spinniest of spinny heads outside high dose K when drunk and projectile vomiting. Was rather pretty purple puke and the actual trip was a lotta fun but the come up and nausea weren't exactly great.

Not sure I have a worst psychedelic at the moment so I'll stick with whatever I said earlier in this thread. Was probably Salvia but I've mellowed a bit towards it since. It does have its place and can be truly magical in the right situation - which is when on MDMA. Or apparently on ket although I've not tried that yet.

And those that are saying datura, belladonna and other deleriants - they ain't psyches so yer cheating ;)
 
Salvia, DXM, PCP, Ketamine, Belladonna & Datura, Morning Glory Seeds
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Never tried them but deliriants sound both unpleasent and useless. Salvia sends me to a very interesting, if confusing state. I have never really found any meaning to it, or much depth - just incredibly strong and strange mind fucks.

Completely disagree about LSA and ketamine. LSA is in many ways an archetypical psychedelic for me, whilst ketamine at high doses can produce some pretty profound experiences. DXM alters my thoughts in a strange but very intriguing was.
 
mcPP- body load just not worth it.
LSA- same as above, its def not fake, but harsh on your guts for what ya get out of it.
BrDrFLY-jesus christ...I wept with joy when a buddy found 20mg olazapine pills and I could abort it after 24 hours with no sign of it backing off.

How is PCP fake? its not a proper psychedelic(not a 5HT partial agonist), I'll give you that, but wickedly potent and has minimal side effects compared to most drugs that strong, in terms of puking, the shits, hangover, ect. I challenge you to IV 10mg of phencyclidine and not be tripping spheres.
 
Chicago66 said:
Datura
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Isn't Datura (angel's Trumpets, Devil's Trombone, hell's bells) technically a deliriant? I was interested in trying it a few years back, when I found a bunch of it growing in a nearby field, but I decided I'd trip sit a friend of mine who had decided to try it. I didn't try it after observing her speak to trashcans, be sick all over my house, and just generally being oblivious to reality. Very frightening behavior.


If we're including Datura, I'll vote for it as the worst "psychedelic."
 
fizzacyst said:
That would seem to go against all anecdotal data from MDMA users since its use in humans began.

... unless you are being sarcastic.

I mean, its pretty obvious that it tends to cause some rough times for people. Perhaps not every time, or to the same degree, but it is a widely known side effect of the drug.
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You will have bad comedowns from MDMA if you abuse it, much like many other drugs. Use it once every 1-3 months, and you'll actually have a nice afterglow for a few days after usage.

Or, if your pill/powder is cut heavily with meth, you'll have a bad comedown. But much like pipes, that's simply not E.
 
I abused MDMA and henceforth cannot use it, it brings a whole new meaning to Suicide Tuesdays. But worst psychedelic I've tried was 100mg IM'ed DPT, suffice to say the tryptamine confusion and intensity of the hallucinations were too much, it felt like the visuals were climbing on top of me like wailing demons....coupled with the inability to string together a coherent thought, it wasn't pleasant.
 
the only psychedelic i thoroughly did not enjoy (and not in a difficult-but-worthwhile-after sense) were HBWR seeds (LSA)

the things made me excessively tired while completely scatterbrained... cold sweating... nauseous... delirious...

i tried cooking food on the trip and was basically stumbling around incoherently in kitchen, bumping into cabinets and feeling like crap

so then i lied down and rolled around in fits of cold sweating insanity... feeling like i had been physically tranquilized yet mentally stimulated... fading in and out of fractal-like things... for what must have been 4 hours or more

all i wanted to do was fall asleep and leave that awful experience behind D:

yopo was never a fruitful endeavor for me and had its share of negatives... but nothing close to that HBWR trip. I'm not interested in ever trying LSA again after that :(
 
Excido said:
I abused MDMA and henceforth cannot use it, it brings a whole new meaning to Suicide Tuesdays. But worst psychedelic I've tried was 100mg IM'ed DPT, suffice to say the tryptamine confusion and intensity of the hallucinations were too much, it felt like the visuals were climbing on top of me like wailing demons....coupled with the inability to string together a coherent thought, it wasn't pleasant.
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Wow. Seems to me you don't know how to do drugs... Suicide Tuesdays are for candy munchers who eat 8 or 10 pills a night then can't figure out WTF they did to make them feel like shit for half a week. 100mg of DPT is enough to dose 4-5 people. Congratulations on being a dumb ass. People like you are the reason good drugs are illegal.
 
^No need to so hostile.

Some people crash from mdma harder than others and if you used an ecstasy pill and not pure mdma than a cut like meth can make the comedown alot harder.

As for DPT, 100mg is not an unheard of dose. Its not a dose that i would personally use but some people like it at high doses. (Though Excido obviously didnt)
My highst dose of DPT was ~80mg (60mg insufflated and ~20mg smoked)
If i were to IM it i would probably drop my dose down to 30-50mg.
 
I tried 5-meo-amt last week, not much more than a threshold dose though. Bit hesitant to push it any higher.
 
Heh, having taken a couple years break from psychedelics, I've become much more cynical.

Basically, of all the things I tried, if it isn't DPT, AMT, LSD, DiPT, 2C-D, or TMA-2 (and maybe DMT - more experimentation needed); it is not worth the hassle. Note the trend for simple, unsubstituted tryptamines, and note that the two phens are very close to each other structurally.

I may have the chance to try DOM, DET, and a couple other things in the near future, so those may be added to the list. But otherwise, yeah... I wouldn't bother for any reason besides novelty.

IMO, dissociatives (K in particular) are more useful than all psychedelics combined.
 
This might not be a popular opinion, but I thought 2C-I was pretty "bleh". My stomach felt like shit for god knows how long, it was a queazy, empty, bile gurgling feeling. The headspace was quite lackluster and the visuals, while good, seemed uninteresting and monotonous. It was a lot of just bending and waving. The euphoric edge only lasted probably an hour after it came on and the rest of the night was just me being annoyed as fuck with it and wishing I could sleep.
 
So, I've not read the whole thread.

But I've read the first 5 pages. And I just wanted to comment on Jam's (and others) thoughts on MDA.

I have severe depression and anxiety disorders (mostly controlled now... ;-) ) and MDA is most likely my favorite 'psychedelic/stimulant' that I've ever had in 11+ years of doing...well...everything.

However, I was wondering what types of pre/post-loading you were doing while using MDA. Your doses are sensible (mine rarely are, but only partaking once a year will do that) but did you use any of the common pre/post techniques?

Personally I have a small army of supplements/scripts that get rolled out if I ever use. When I use them I feel fine the day after. Perhaps a bit tired, worn out (but then I dance for 8-10 hours on them so...) but I've never really experienced that depression on the comedown that you describe.

Have you tried it again since 2008? Was it different?

P.S. pardon if this has been answered already, it's late!
 
Jamshyd said:
The 5-MeO ring accessory has a bad record with me.
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Me as well. I think its because of how similar they are to serotonin, they have a large amount of peripheral activity which IMO could possibly even be dangerous (especially to ones cardiovascular health).
 
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