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Why pick opiates over alcohol?

missfeelgood, believe me, i'm sure you're such a beautiful person that regardless if you are angry, or, pissed off, it doesn't hinder your beauty, one ioda in the end.
 
Haha thanks. Believe it or not, a friend of mine actually told me once that I'm extremely sexy when I get mad. I find that hard to believe, though.
 
That's what the guy I'm currently seeing loves about me. He says his favorite thing about me is my sick mind and the fact that I'm completely nuts haha.
 
Ha, lucky bastard8o Ambien is kicking in, off to bed, night.
 
Not everyone becomes sick when they use opioids. I've only vomited from opioids once, and that was years after starting use, and shortly before becoming dependant on IV Heroin (was shooting dope like you shoot coke, rapidly mixing and shooting. Bad idea.).

While technically both CNS depressants, it's still apples and oranges. CNS depression is not the primary action of either booze or opioids that makes them pleasurable.
 
I've only thrown up while on heroin a few times. Usually I throw up when I'm dope sick, not when I'm on it. I do get nauseous sometimes, but I rarely actually throw up. I know some people who throw up every time they do it. I would hate to be them 8o
 
Tchort said:
While technically both CNS depressants, it's still apples and oranges. CNS depression is not the primary action of either booze or opioids that makes them pleasurable.
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What are you saying it is with alcohol? Its slight effect as an NMDA receptor antagonist?
 
Nagelfar said:
I think it is that opiates are more of an acquired taste than alcohol, or maybe just that the body is more exposed to alcohol over a longer period because it is legal OTC in most jurisdictions and therefore available: you've said you've had "IV morphine, insufflated oxycontin, oral oxycontin, oral hydrocodone, and oral codeine" but for how long did you expose your body, off & on, to any one of those?

You'd need to stick with one long enough to get your body used to it's effects, then it's more willing to go half way for you and actually show you the euphoria opiates bring. I'm not talking about doing it every day and getting addicted. I did heroin for about 6 months, off & on, before I *really* began to enjoy it.

When I first exposed my friend to H all he could say was "I feel like I'm drunk" so I see what you're saying: but after shooting up a few times, and then smoking a few grams on his own, he began to really like it and see it as a unique experience and not just a 'downer' that could be comparable to drinking or other.
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I"ve done oxycontin a couple times, codeine lots of times in the form of codeine w/ promethazine syrup, vicodin hundreds of times, and IV morphine once for a kidney stone, I DO enjoy it. I just enjoy booze much more.

And I guess I just compared the two because they're both depressant drugs. The only thing I really seek from them is anxiety/stress/pain relief. I know the highs are completely different too. Which is why I'm asking why people would prefer one over the other. Because there are differences. I'm not asking anything about their similarities. Just seeing which way people like 'keeping it on the low' the best.
 
Nagelfar said:
What are you saying it is with alcohol? Its slight effect as an NMDA receptor antagonist?
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I mean what causes these chemicals to produce euphoria.

If CNS depression was the cause of pleasurable euphoria in opioids and alcohol, every chemical that causes CNS depression would be euphoric and addictive; meaning something like Sodium Bromide would have to be recreational as it's a CNS depressant.

The reason we compulsively consume these drugs is not CNS depression.
 
No. But most CNS depressant drugs used for recreation have a lot of similar effects, and there are a lot of similar reasons that people take these drugs. It's not like I'm saying that alcohol and opiates work on any sort of similar mechanism. The end results, simplified, are pretty similar though(relaxation, anxiety relief, euphoria, drowsiness, inhibition).

This question is more like "Would you rather take the train or drive to get somewhere 500 miles away" than anything else. They're both completely different experiences, with different features, that get you to the same place. Some people would rather drive for eight hours and sleep or play video games or do whatever they want. Some people would rather drive in a car and have control over their stops and be able to sidetrack, but sacrifice other benefits.

This isn't really a question of why these drugs are similar at all, it's just which one do you enjoy more. Which way would you rather get fucked up? Why would you pick opiates when alcohol has a much more intense body buzz with no itching?

I really.....really...do not understand how anybody here can't see ANY similarities in the effects at all...I really don't. Maybe it's because whenever I do either of these drugs, I do them for the sole purpose of anxiety relief. And they both give me that. So to me, I think of them as "which drug would I rather use to lower my anxiety?" Maybe I should have made that a thread instead. I don't know.

Or maybe I thought they were comparable because you're not supposed to mix the two. And you could between which one you'd rather do if you were trying to be safe and only pick one.

Or maybe, I also thought they were comparable because I just like to get fucked up and feel peaceful at the end of the day. And both of these drugs offer that.

But apparently, I am wrong, and it is totally, completely impossible to compare these drugs at all. And opiates are always 100% of the time better. I'm sorry for wrongly thinking there was some magical way to compare these two drugs.

Sorry for sounding like a dick. I'm just getting frustrated. Every other post seems to imply that I'm an idiot. It's like...why does it even matter if they compare? I don't know anybody else that prefers alcohol over opiates and I wanted to see if anybody here did. I don't get why it's such a big deal if they both work on the same mechanisms and offer the same high.
 
I don't understand why you're asking this. One of the choices is incredibly euphoric and when I.V.'d produces one of the greatest feelings know to man and the other is just gross. God I hate hangovers. Oh and you say opiate w/d is worse, I've never gone through alcohol w/d but I know that it can kill you and I have seen my mom trying to kick alcohol and it didn't look like much fun. You can't die from opiate w/d.
 
I meant that opiate withdrawals suck more than hangovers. Not that they suck more than alcohol withdrawal.
 
OP: if you prefer alcohol over opiates, even after sampling all the opiates you've listed, then you are a rare case among drug users. I only wish I could just choose alcohol instead of opiates. Life seemed a lot simpler when I was merely an alcoholic. :\
 
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I wish alcohol satisfied me. If it did, I wouldn't have to do a lot of other stupid, illegal shit.
 
malfunkshun said:
OP: if you prefer alcohol over opiates, even after sampling all the opiates you've listed, then you are a rare case among drug users. I only wish I could just choose alcohol instead of opiates. Life seemed a lot simpler when I was merely an alcoholic. :\
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+1

very well said.


comparing alcohol to opiates is like comparing sardines in a can of oil, to a 12 course meal prepared by a world class chef. with ALL the toppings and a side of HUGE chocolate cake.

although, after quitting opiates (2nd time) i find alcohol more enjoyable:|
 
malfunkshun said:
OP: if you prefer alcohol over opiates, even after sampling all the opiates you've listed, then you are a rare case among drug users. I only wish I could just choose alcohol instead of opiates. Life seemed a lot simpler when I was merely an alcoholic. :\
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How right you are. Jeez it would have saved me over a hundred thousand on dope and saved me tens of thousands from getting arrested and having to pay lawyers and bail-bondsman. It just doesn't feel good, though I might drink once a week if there was no hangover.
 
Because opiates are easier on the body. Plus the fact that alcohol hangovers are fekkin rotten and opiates dont really give a hangover effect per se.
 
honestly, i love alcohol. i pick one or the other depending on what kind of party im tryna have.

the kind of party where im actually with other people and trying to just have a good time.

or the kind of party where im locked in my bathroom shootin coke and dope.
 
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