CmonYouShouldKnowBetter
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wtf is "lower lip retraction"!"and mitragynine induced lower lip retraction and antinociception in rats"
wtf is "lower lip retraction"!"and mitragynine induced lower lip retraction and antinociception in rats"
I have never had the opportunity to try legit 7oh isolate"and mitragynine induced lower lip retraction and antinociception in rats"
lol, on really high doses I've noticed my lips twitch in a very unusual manner.... weird
it had some unusual effects and was very strong without tolerance, but nothing like real opioids
when I stopped buying them there were also other pills that were absolutely RC opioids, both cheaper and stronger
they're still being sold as 7-OH but they aren't, from the vendor I was buying from
sad
even pure 7-OH is nowhere near as dangerous as real opioids
it's oddly a very powerful sedative and muscle relaxer, but still doesn't touch the lungs
if you have tolerance to other opioids, 7-OH feels weak
if you only have tolerance to kratom, it feels like a very strong hit of oxy but more of a sleeping pill.
interesting pseudo-opioid but not a great chemical of abuse
it also has zero of the mental euphoria that other kratom alkaloids like mit provides....
7.5mg-15mg 7-OH + 4g kratom makes it truly feel like oxycodone, the opioid effects fade after about 90min and then it's 2-3 hours of a heavy sedation with pronounced and unique muscle relaxation. Total duration <5hr, similar to mit. Otherwise an unremarkable drug, not much euphoria at all without other kratom alkaloids on top.I have never had the opportunity to try legit 7oh isolate
I cant wont do the big kratom companies. Not even going to start the unfair trade topic but basically fuck those guys, I grow speciosa and buy from my fam in Indonesia. This is liekly why ive never tried the isolates. But what RC are you talking about. Do we have evidence of this? I run 2 harm reduction forums (1 on kratom) and would be very grateful to have that info7.5mg-15mg 7-OH + 4g kratom makes it truly feel like oxycodone, the opioid effects fade after about 90min and then it's 2-3 hours of a heavy sedation with pronounced and unique muscle relaxation. Total duration <5hr, similar to mit. Otherwise an unremarkable drug, not much euphoria at all without other kratom alkaloids on top.
there is a pretty big company now selling 14mg pills openly on their own website
they are legit and as far as I can tell only have 7-OH in them
there are smaller/cheaper pills going around which are laced with an RC
yes that happened to me. it never came back. Kratom is not the only compound ive had this issue with. Careful with that phenibut though, shit is neurotoxic as fuckI need to try some of this 7-OH stuff. Of course, I only VERY rarely use extracts because they kill your tolerance to plain leaf and also must be more addictive and I don't like kratom WD and don't want to find out what kratom EXTRACT wd is like. But used sparingly they are fun.
Not enough people are responding to my thread about kratom not working well for me though.
I don't want to go into all the details again, but unless, like today, I mix my plain leaf with extracts and other drugs like phenibut it seems like I can only get the mildest of effects whereas I used to get great euphoria all the time from every dose. And it is NOT about tolerance as I use kratom rarely enough that I don't have much.
Most experienced kratom users know how temperamental a drug it is, how re-dosing usually doesn't work, how it doesn't "play well" with most other drugs, etc. But have others here had it where kratom had worked great, then you stopped for a while and when you went back you couldn't get it to give you anything more than like 25% the euphoria it used to? And if it did happen to you, did you figure out how to get it back and, if so, how??
I'm careful with Phenibut. I do it at most like 2-3 times a month but really there's often months that go by where I don't do it at all or maybe once. It's really neurotoxic? Like, toxic to your brain and body? More than alcohol or other drugs? Cause I mean, it's a GABA drug that is actually prescribed in Russia for various reasons and the Russians know their drugs. I think in moderation it's fine and probably isn't necessarily worse for you than benzos which are also GABA drugs.yes that happened to me. it never came back. Kratom is not the only compound ive had this issue with. Careful with that phenibut though, shit is neurotoxic as fuck
Remember it can be just as physically addictive as any other opiate. Ik this should be obvious, but there's a lot of false propaganda out there claiming it to be a "non-addictive alternative to opioids" which I unfortunately fell for (about 7-8 years ago) and led to a pretty bad addiction. Like with percs or oxi I knew they were addictive so I never took them more than once every couple weeks, whereas with kratom I started taking it daily. Started with just 1-2g/day which eventually led to 30+g/day, then harder opiates.
Using naltrexone with an opioid is risky af.I'm careful with Phenibut. I do it at most like 2-3 times a month but really there's often months that go by where I don't do it at all or maybe once. It's really neurotoxic? Like, toxic to your brain and body? More than alcohol or other drugs? Cause I mean, it's a GABA drug that is actually prescribed in Russia for various reasons and the Russians know their drugs. I think in moderation it's fine and probably isn't necessarily worse for you than benzos which are also GABA drugs.
But as far as Kratom, it used to work for you and now it totally doesn't anymore? That fucking sucks. I'm sorry about that man. Now that gets me worried that it could happen to me, but the difference is that I do still get some effects from it, they're just not anywhere near as good as they used to be. Kratom is really weird. I'd like more explanations. You might be able to get it back by trying different potentiators. I'm going to try to make ultra low dose naltrexone from some pills I have. That's supposed to really potentiate it big time. I don't understand, why would Kratom just stop working for someone? And what other drugs has it happened for you with? I didn't think it was possible for drugs to just stop working for people.
It's NOT risky to take ULTRA LOW DOSE naltrexone with kratom. People who know how to do it say it works, and not only that, but people who take all sorts of stronger opioids mix them with ultra lose dose naltrexone in order to lower their tolerance to their opioid so they no longer need such high doses. It's done in the medical community for real. It's not risky so long as you are not dependent on kratom. If you aren't and you take ultra low dose naltrexone, then the worst thing that can happen is that you accidentally take too much and it blocks your high and you don't feel the effects of Kratom. The best case scenario it potentiates it MASSIVELY. All the risks of precipitated withdrawal come with taking naltrexone when you are dependent on kratom and only at high dose naltrexone (or sometimes low but not ULTRA low.) Where did you hear that it was so risky? Are you aware that at ultra low doses it potentiates it and that naltrexone behaves like an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DRUG at low and ultra low doses than at full dose?Using naltrexone with an opioid is risky af.
Russians prescribing 25mg of phenibut is not the same as the dosages we take to get a buzz, gabaergic, or not.
Kratom stops working for some because of opioid downregulation.
You are 100% incorrect about "then the worst thing that can happen is that you accidentally take too much and it blocks your high and you don't feel the effects of Kratom". I was admitted to the ER by taking naltrexone on kratom. You seem very argumentative and your evidence is based on "people said so". Im just not interested in that type of discussion. Good luck with everything.It's NOT risky to take ULTRA LOW DOSE naltrexone with kratom. People who know how to do it say it works, and not only that, but people who take all sorts of stronger opioids mix them with ultra lose dose naltrexone in order to lower their tolerance to their opioid so they no longer need such high doses. It's done in the medical community for real. It's not risky so long as you are not dependent on kratom. If you aren't and you take ultra low dose naltrexone, then the worst thing that can happen is that you accidentally take too much and it blocks your high and you don't feel the effects of Kratom. The best case scenario it potentiates it MASSIVELY. All the risks of precipitated withdrawal come with taking naltrexone when you are dependent on kratom and only at high dose naltrexone (or sometimes low but not ULTRA low.) Where did you hear that it was so risky? Are you aware that at ultra low doses it potentiates it and that naltrexone behaves like an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DRUG at low and ultra low doses than at full dose?
You are right that certain amounts that Russians take are much lower, but not 25mg. They usually do about 600mgs. I don't really think it's super dangerous to take a dose of Phenibut like every other weekend like I do. What is worse is mixing it with alcohol, which I admitedly do, but the Phenibut itself, yeah it's not the safest substance ever, but it's possible to take it sometimes and be ok.
And what exactly does "downregulation" mean when it comes to Kratom? Can there be any way to work around that problem and it get it to work again?
AHHH, so here it is. Yes, you will end up in precipitated wd if you take FULL dose 50mg naltrexone while dependent on ANY opioid.I love to hear this kind of viewpoint. Far too many folks out there in lala land (or just plain lying) about the safety profile of this "natural cure". Yesterday I had a guy in one of my forums go "dude - its a leaf off a fucking tree" as if poppy isnt a flower. And then we have these money moguel AKA fucks telling everyone it isnt an opioid. I followed that bullshit and landed myself in the ER with precip WD after taking 50mg naltrexone while on kratom. Kratom needs harm reduction just like any other drug
Damn man, I'm sorry to hear about this.I've experienced major psychosis from kratom (in combination with other drugs, but some by itself, the alienated thoughts). Liver pains. Gallblader damage. Chills/fever. Chronic headaches. Serious dehydration. Lethargy. I could fucking go on man.... but those are the big ones.
I've also felt like chronic use of kratom really fucks with your neurochemistry in undocumented ways.
Oh and I have chronic kidney disease now. Maybe the alcohol idk.
You seem to not be noticing the part where I said "IF YOU ARE NOT DEPENDENT ON KRATOM and that it HAS to be "ULTRA LOW dose" not 50mgs.Lo
You are 100% incorrect about "then the worst thing that can happen is that you accidentally take too much and it blocks your high and you don't feel the effects of Kratom". I was admitted to the ER by taking naltrexone on kratom. You seem very argumentative and your evidence is based on "people said so". Im just not interested in that type of discussion. Good luck with everything.
That's no problem at all. I'm dependent on benzos.What about kratom if you're physically dependent on benzos?
ThanksThat's no problem at all. I'm dependent on benzos.