Heroin Screwed in Bali with no more Heroin to keep me going.. 😭

[elgoucho9]

addiction behaviour is not weak-mindedness. Rather it is that mind is too strong in its orientation to use drugs.

you are spiraling towards condescending bullshit.

So what it's completely impossible he could take this as the fantastic opportunity to quit his negative drug use and behaviour patterns while on a luxury getaway with his new wife? Really?

OP hasn't really made enough clear as to whether he wants to be clean or his new bride even knows about his drug use. Pretty big problem to arise this early on the honeymoon if the persons partner doesn't know though. That alone should have alarm bells ringing in your head getting to such an extreme situation it is probably time you quit using drugs and get your head straight for a bit IMO.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

You rant and mock and dictate how it should go from here on and consider OP not worthy of dialog and rationalize your nastiness by stating it is okay if you are right enough.

 

[Flynnal]

It isn't condescending, it's to protect this guy's life. Literally. Over in some 3rd world shithole there is no telling what could happen, it's all up to some corrupt cunthook as to how this all plays out if the guy is caught with gear on him. Over there they don't fuck around with there convicts, they send em away for such a long time, or they kill them. Or otherwise complete fuck up there lives forever. You don't want to rot in a cage over there, they treat you like shit, and your life is total just total fucked.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Yeah I get it. But my point still stands.

 

[elgoucho9]

You rant and mock and dictate how it should go from here on and consider OP not worthy of dialog and rationalize your nastiness by stating it is okay if you are right enough.

So i am being condescending, mocking and dictating? Wtf are you on seriously bro? I was trying to give the guy some wise advice from someone who themselves has been a wreckless idiot and gotten myself into a tonne of dodgy situations fron my own drug use. I have also used heroin the same he has.

I basically said either take it as an opportunity to quit. Or if he isn't willing to quit go home sooner then. Fuck trying to score there.

I don't know or understand from that where you thought i was making a mockery of the OP or thought i was being nasty to them?

Profusely sorry OP if i did remotely even come across that way as it was not my intention one bit. Was only trying to help another brother in a sticky situation get better. Whether that is by quitting his use or going home early is up to him
Obviously he could risk scoring there too but i think that is the worst possible option in this scenario.

 

[JackARoe]

OP hasn't really made enough clear as to whether he wants to be clean or his new bride even knows about his drug use. Pretty big problem to arise this early on the honeymoon if the persons partner doesn't know though. That alone should have alarm bells ringing in your head getting to such an extreme situation it is probably time you quit using drugs and get your head straight for a bit IMO.

The OP is leaving us hanging. But there are some great points in this thread. Not sure what to think. But it could happen to a lot of us. Although I already stated that I would have prepare better. Even better I would not go to Bali as an opiate addict.

The kratom suggestion may be the best bet. It could be all over Bali.

We have analyzed, picked apart, and psychologized the poor OP. Hope you are hanging in there OP.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I already came up with one example of your mockery, calling people weak-minded while addiction is not even really about willpower. You can extrapolate from there and reflect your own texts.

 

[elgoucho9]

I already came up with one example of your mockery, calling people weak-minded while addiction is not even really about willpower. You can extrapolate from there and reflect your own texts.

I called it weak minded to not consider quitting heroin use as a possibility here? As someone who is posting on a Harm Reduction forum you think me stating quitting heroin abuse to be a bad suggestion here given the circumstances?

What do you think he should do, cop a bag? Like it's not really the best option is it. From the limited information we so far have from the OP, it would seem that things have been hectic for him. So in my opinion it is worth at least considering giving up his heroin habit. As he does have an opportunity to potentially change his life for the better here.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I am not talking about what is the best solution to practical situation in field, I am referring to your way to express yourselves.

Regarding that, I have pretty much said what I needed and I don't think I can help more than that. But that is something you can pay attention to if you want.

 

[elgoucho9]

I am not talking about what is the best solution to practical situation in field, I am referring to your way to express yourselves.

Regarding that, I have pretty much said what I needed and I don't think I can help more than that. But that is something you can pay attention to if you want.

So basically your not offering any solutions just complaining that i offered one potential one may be to go clean here in this scenario. And that has upset you the way i worded as 'it is weak minded not to consider quitting as an option while in Bali'.

Sorry but i quit myself cold turkey from IV. And i do not consider myself someone with the best will power or common sense even. But in this scenario i would suggest it as a possibility and a better one than scoring locally. That's all i'm saying. Apologies if i upset you with the way i worded it. But if OP isn't strong here things could get alot worse for them.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

There is possibility I perceive this from different perspective once I have slept more than 3 hours, honestly I am pretty done cognitively and so on.

You seem to be twisting my words tho' or then it is just misunderstanding. I did not judge you for coming up with ideas-they were actually good ideas mostly and they had certain motivating tone to them also.

And now you seem to be again doing justification for calling OP weak-minded by stating that if he is not strong now, things could get a lot worse for them, or maybe I am imagining. Even tho I am trying to say, addiction and treating addiction has little to do with willpower.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

To be exact, I am not particularly upset. One of my goals is just that OP wouldn't need to feel themselves being weak or something in the case they won't quit right now. It would be somewhat shallow perspective.

 

[elgoucho9]

There is possibility I perceive this from different perspective once I have slept more than 3 hours, honestly I am pretty done cognitively and so on.

You seem to be twisting my words tho' or then it is just misunderstanding. I did not judge you for coming up with ideas-they were actually good ideas mostly and they had certain motivating tone to them also.

And now you seem to be again doing justification for calling OP weak-minded by stating that if he is not strong now, things could get a lot worse for them, or maybe I am imagining. Even tho I am trying to say, addiction and treating addiction has little to do with willpower.

To clarify i have absolutely zero ill will towards yourself or the OP bro.

It is just personal point of view, drawn from my own experiences in life, for me to say that it is weak minded to not consider quitting altogether, over choosing to say attempt to score and risk his whole life in prison under these set of circumstances.

Like i would urge someone in that scenario to even just suffer the withdrawals as best they can even as opposed to the risks of scoring. Because Bali is just that risky it is better to suffer for a few days now than potentially for years later.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

okay, thanks. I guess we agree on many things but we can agree to disagree on few? Maybe I start a thread about this topic in philosophy-forum some day or something.

And I agree you have right to your opinion and to your right to express it, I don't think you broke any rule or anything. But I then expressed my opinion also and OP can now navigate best with this content we have now produced together.

 

[elgoucho9]

okay, thanks. I guess we agree on many things but we can agree to disagree on few? Maybe I start a thread about this topic in philosophy-forum some day or something.

And I agree you have right to your opinion and to your right to express it, I don't think you broke any rule or anything. But I then expressed my opinion also and OP can now navigate best with this content we have now produced together.

I wasthinking of saying in my last post man his subject of this very scenario itself almost raises further questions into a debate. Like one could argue i guess a junkie has no choice but to score. But in this particular scenario it's not black and white like that. It's more like yeah your situation sucks right now OP, but if you MUST use right now wiser to go home than attempt to score more dope in Bali.

Like whether addicts have a choice to use or not is another debate entirely. But this scenario he could still go home a few days early and use. Rather than attempt to score somewhere it could cost him life in prison. It would be a wiser choice in that scenario to even have a crack at going clean even than attempt to score.

It is an interesting scenario. I hope OP replies in the end and is safe either way.

 

[Jnowhere]

addiction behaviour is not weak-mindedness. Rather it is that mind is too strong in its orientation to use drugs.

you are spiraling towards condescending bullshit elgoucho9

Hey, elgouho 9 is just trying to make this......dude understand he will end up spending years if not decades or life if caught. They also shoot druggies there. Do you understand the gravity of the situation.
Save the pansy cry baby for when a person is not in a world of trouble. They don't care what the world thinks. His wife could be endanger too. Smuggling shit into the country can get you shot. He could get life in a third world shit hole prison if tries to score.
I and El gaucho 9 don't want this guy's life destroyed. He has also put his new bride in danger. So pretty please with sugar on top get the fuck out of their minus the dope. I did some research, get a script and a doctors note for whatever is the best legal perscription opiate you can get.
Do you have any injuries, bad back, knee surgery ect...
Also act like you are in pain and ask the local pharmacist that you need pain relief but are scared of get into trouble. See what is OTC and have him point you to a doctor. But get a perscription and a doctor's note for customs and make sure it is something you can bring back.
All this spiraling toward condensation. Are you joking. Do you know what kind of trouble he could get into, and his new bride.
Save all your cry baby nonsense for some stupid emotional support encounter group or some other crap.
I still think this is a joke, but in case it isn't do not try to score. Like I read go to a pharmacy and ask about pain OTC meds and ask about a doctor. Do not tell anyone about you being an addict or heroin. Especially the pharmacist or doctor. According to what I read they have informants. And are always on the lookout for drug users
Save all the touchy Feely crap for a less grave( pun intended situation).
This I say is almost too unbelievable to be true. Indonesia is a Muslim country known for executing drug smugglers and making druggies rot in third world hell hole prisons.
I hope this is a joke. I hope if this not real, you never do anything like this again. Get sober cause your instincts( smuggling dope into Bali and plans to score from the locals) is almost beyond words stupid. Yes I am being judgemental, but hey don't listen to me or El gaucho 9, Maybe rotting in a third world hellhole and piss and shitting in a bucket for the rest of your life is what you want. Is it?

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah man it sounds like they will cut your balls off and carve out your heart in that part of the world for hard drugs.

Hey if anything it is a lesson in planning. When i was addicted to something I would always bring double what I need. When I went to the DR in 2013 I put kratom in my carry on as well as my checked baggage. Had double the amount I needed but felt at ease.

It is not illegal there( The Dominican Republic) according to a Kratom website.
Bringing Heroin to Indonesia is punishable by death.
I would say that this; Is a little different( sorry for the sarcasm).

 

[Mjäll]

I member at least 2 Australians where executed by a firing squad along with half a dozen or so other guys awhile back

Holy fucking shit. Why does anyone ever travel to such a place?

Use of firing squads should be restricted to actual crimes like rape and murder.

What a savage nation.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Hey, elgouho 9 is just trying to make this......dude understand he will end up spending years if not decades or life if caught. They also shoot druggies there. Do you understand the gravity of the situation.
Save the pansy cry baby for when a person is not in a world of trouble. They don't care what the world thinks. His wife could be endanger too. Smuggling shit into the country can get you shot. He could get life in a third world shit hole prison if tries to score.
I and El gaucho 9 don't want this guy's life destroyed. He has also put his new bride in danger. So pretty please with sugar on top get the fuck out of their minus the dope. I did some research, get a script and a doctors note for whatever is the best legal perscription opiate you can get.
Do you have any injuries, bad back, knee surgery ect...
Also act like you are in pain and ask the local pharmacist that you need pain relief but are scared of get into trouble. See what is OTC and have him point you to a doctor. But get a perscription and a doctor's note for customs and make sure it is something you can bring back.
All this spiraling toward condensation. Are you joking. Do you know what kind of trouble he could get into, and his new bride.
Save all your cry baby nonsense for some stupid emotional support encounter group or some other crap.
I still think this is a joke, but in case it isn't do not try to score. Like I read go to a pharmacy and ask about pain OTC meds and ask about a doctor. Do not tell anyone about you being an addict or heroin. Especially the pharmacist or doctor. According to what I read they have informants. And are always on the lookout for drug users
Save all the touchy Feely crap for a less grave( pun intended situation).
This I say is almost too unbelievable to be true. Indonesia is a Muslim country known for executing drug smugglers and making druggies rot in third world hell hole prisons.
I hope this is a joke. I hope if this not real, you never do anything like this again. Get sober cause your instincts( smuggling dope into Bali and plans to score from the locals) is almost beyond words stupid. Yes I am being judgemental, but hey don't listen to me or El gaucho 9, Maybe rotting in a third world hellhole and piss and shitting in a bucket for the rest of your life is what you want. Is it?

I am still having little brain fog to the point I didn't read all that wall of text, but I actually slept for 7 hours finally.

It might be I saw some meanings and patterns where there were none and I didn't consider that because it is indeed setting the bride into danger, even some anger could possibly be justified, where it is meaningful for delivering the point.

My point about weak-mindedness being circumlocationary concept that does not mean anything but acts as useless pejorative still persists. And some other stuff that I don't care to open like a fractal right now. But all in all, I might have mistaken going this far with this endeavour of mine in my intoxicated sleep deprivation. Thanks for communicating about this with me.

 

[JackARoe]

It is not illegal there( The Dominican Republic) according to a Kratom website.
Bringing Heroin to Indonesia is punishable by death.
I would say that this; Is a little different( sorry for the sarcasm).

Yes, I think you’ve made your point on how dangerous it is to bring heroin into Bali. Several times. I get it, and I totally love sarcasm. But leaving that out of the equation, I was simply making a point on planning.