i see - so basically the subs raised my tolerance.If the morphine got you high you have effectively raised your tolerance, one step forward two back, that’s the opiate pattern
Hard to say, ones a full and one a partial agonist, but generally if you stop your sub and get high of a full agonist you raise your tolerance…2-4mg sub a day isn’t a lot really but if you need 80mg oxy to feel right your original sub dose might still work , or you might need 6mgi see - so basically the subs raised my tolerance.
now if i go back to subs - because honestly i feel worse. will i get by being able to use 2mg of suboxon? - or will that have increased also since my ox dosage is higher now than it was before subs
how tough would it be to go cold turkey? i have on hand gabapentin, clonipin, some kratom pill form 600mg other opiates- a shitload of targin 40mg ox 20mg naloxone, is this safe to use? will the naloxone put you into PWs? i doubt it but want to make sure (tramadol and hydrocodone) and suboxone and anti depressants prozac and wellbutrin. i would like to know how to go about it in a scientific way. times and hpw much to take of what.Hard to say, ones a full and one a partial agonist, but generally if you stop your sub and get high of a full agonist you raise your tolerance…2-4mg sub a day isn’t a lot really but if you need 80mg oxy to feel right your original sub dose might still work , or you might need 6mg
I would taper, if you have a hard time tapering oxy then maybe subs would be best. I'm done with my taper but it took ALOT of work. Once i was down to 30mg i started to get the sweats and didn't sleep very well a few nights but nothing awful. I'm just turned from opioids now, caused so much damage for me, so i think that helped.how tough would it be to go cold turkey? i have on hand gabapentin, clonipin, some kratom pill form 600mg other opiates- a shitload of targin 40mg ox 20mg naloxone, is this safe to use? will the naloxone put you into PWs? i doubt it but want to make sure (tramadol and hydrocodone) and suboxone and anti depressants prozac and wellbutrin. i would like to know how to go about it in a scientific way. times and hpw much to take of what.
i have a family that i love and my wife doesnt even know - she will be devatated and dsappointed if i told her im addicted. its not an option. otherwise id go to a clinic. i even have a psychiatrist, but im afraid if i tell him he will drop me. reason i say that is i know he wouldn t take on others who had opiates addiction in the past.
i also own my own biz so even though i can take off whenever i want - i have to be able to work to get things done.
i guess i can start on a weekend (we have plans every weekend which also makes it very difficult - kids sports, family gathterings etc)
its that or go back to subs which is the reason i started this ox again. thought it would be a breeze to go on these for a week or two and quit.
doesnt seem like that will be the case. bad calculation by me.
i can try to do it on my own and worst case, i suppose i can always go back to suboxone
I had hoped you would quit. I am off morphine.how tough would it be to go cold turkey? i have on hand gabapentin, clonipin, some kratom pill form 600mg other opiates- a shitload of targin 40mg ox 20mg naloxone, is this safe to use? will the naloxone put you into PWs? i doubt it but want to make sure (tramadol and hydrocodone) and suboxone and anti depressants prozac and wellbutrin. i would like to know how to go about it in a scientific way. times and hpw much to take of what.
i have a family that i love and my wife doesnt even know - she will be devatated and dsappointed if i told her im addicted. its not an option. otherwise id go to a clinic. i even have a psychiatrist, but im afraid if i tell him he will drop me. reason i say that is i know he wouldn t take on others who had opiates addiction in the past.
i also own my own biz so even though i can take off whenever i want - i have to be able to work to get things done.
i guess i can start on a weekend (we have plans every weekend which also makes it very difficult - kids sports, family gathterings etc)
its that or go back to subs which is the reason i started this ox again. thought it would be a breeze to go on these for a week or two and quit.
doesnt seem like that will be the case. bad calculation by me.
i can try to do it on my own and worst case, i suppose i can always go back to suboxone
think thats the route im going to go. how long would you give it to start after my last oxy ingestionI personally would go the subs route and just taper slowly. If the end goal is to get clean then I wouldn't go with an opiate/opioid that makes you high so to speak as I think that feeling or thought alone makes it harder to taper down and to relapse so to speak just easier. D
4mg bupre I believe will be more then enough with regards to your last oxy use. My H, oxy, hydro etc usage was a lot higher and I got away with only needing 8mg in the beginning and quickly worked my way down to a stable 2mg a day and now another 4 months later I'm on 500mcg a day and comfortable.
yea i relapsed. but i thought it would be easier to get off subs this way...nope big mistake. my tolerance went wayyy up, and im guessing its from subs. i think going back on subs like coffeeshroom suggested is the best way. atleast i was stable on them. il try to go as low as possible and then jump off with the advice you gave me.I had hoped you would quit. I am off morphine.
But at least you didn't tell your shrink. I have read that it can get harder and more painfull and higher tolerance each time you to try to quit. You got have basically what I used and then some, to get off a long term low dose morphine use for pain. Careful with Kratom and gabapentin, they can be addicting and cause withdrawals too. I really hoped you could quit, you got a nice life, minus the issue(that is a code word I like). I am not here to nag or preach, please get it done and stay done. You have a lot more to loose than most. It is cold and flu season, worse case tell your wife you feel sick( that might be true) as an excuse to buy yourself a couple of days of 'don't bother daddy, he is sick'.
As far as the gabapentin and kratom try a low er than hugh dose and then some more every 30 minutes till it helps and carefully, gabapentin tolerance can increase ridiculously fast. And I am almost positive I gave myself, a sort of kratom hangover. Your, get off the opiod arsenal seems good. The gabapentin, clonidine and kratom seemed to really help, also trying lower doses of oxy to help might be needed. Tapering a little, just to take off edge.
There are of course a lot of people on here that will know better than me. Just remember in some people( myself included, wds can be very psychological along with all the other issues. Keep that in the front of your mind. Reason I say this is because I got rather impatient and easily angry coming off morphine. Same problem when I drank and had withdrawals.
You are a family man and if your wife is like most women, she may pick up on a bad mood that lasts a few days. Also hide it by not changing the little things, that women tend to notice when you try again.
Good luck
Jnowhere
On the safe side 24hrs, if you can go longer then better and gives you a rough idea of dosage needed. But I personally can get away with 16hrs or less when swapping between 2 but that's just me as I know my body and how I respond to certain drugs and what I personally can get away with and can't. So for hr reasons 24hr I would say is safe side.think thats the route im going to go. how long would you give it to start after my last oxy ingestion
Yea, everytime a relapse, it gets harder according to some. Due what you think your body will do best with. Just remember when you are ready to use kratom clonidine and gabapentin, theyyea i relapsed. but i thought it would be easier to get off subs this way...nope big mistake. my tolerance went wayyy up, and im guessing its from subs. i think going back on subs like coffeeshroom suggested is the best way. atleast i was stable on them. il try to go as low as possible and then jump off with the advice you gave me.
thanks for being there - thanks for the encouragment. i really need it.
Ya it did work getting me off the long acting and i wasn't really sick but i relapsed. I have MS so it's hard keeping clean. I took 1 pill a few days ago for pain and that made me crave like mad.Las veghost ain't lying about merry go round. Lord knows I do it, over and over...
but yeah OP I do hope that this is true because it's my plan as well but depression or PAWS is usually what strikes me back to using if I managed to jump for a bit after short acting..so be careful grab some Kratom if you want to feel something, try your hardest not to go back to either.
Kratom is a much easier beast to keep in check in my opinion.
Well hey you are doing way damn better than me, and I'm not prescribed anything this all began a decade ago or longer when I realized roxi was lovely for saturday morning brown bottle/liquor hangovers..Ya it did work getting me off the long acting and i wasn't really sick but i relapsed. I have MS so it's hard keeping clean. I took 1 pill a few days ago for pain and that made me crave like mad.
kratom didn't work for me before, just kinda made me anxious and my tolerance was high
TL;DR - Please don't. Seek professional help.A while ago I used suboxone to get off methadone and fentanyl.
I started taking the suboxone for pain(ms) and started using it every day, thinking that was safer than hydromorph.
Everytime I get off a long acting opioid I relapse because of the long wd and the anxiety and pain gets to me.
I'm currently taking 3-4mg of subs a day.
I have hydromorph and I should have taken that but I was worried it would start me back to daily use.
I want to stop suboxone and wondering if hydromorph would work and then decrease the hydromorph and be clean for a while.
It's tricky to stay clean because MS flairs up but I want at least 6 months with nothing and use pain meds like a normal person.
Anyone ever use a short acting to get off a long acting one?
What mg of hydromorph would be equal to 3mg of subs?