Cocaine Crack Cocaine - Freebase Megathread

[cgdon]

you're incorrect mate - properly made crack with baking soda can have zero baking soda left in the rock if cooked 100% properly - there's no doubt whatsoever about that

there are also plenty of cuts that base out in ammonia too (including levamisole and some of the other 'caines), although ammonia was always my go-to for cooking, beats the hell out of bicarb cooks for sure (my cooks anyway) - but what you have asserted so confidently above is completely wrong I'm afraid - so perhaps it could be you who needs to check their sources of information friend

hey mate , my ammonia cooks are allways gooey ... its a stickey mess and
when i put it into the freezer it cet hard ...
is this levamisole and lidocaine ?

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

hey mate , my ammonia cooks are allways gooey ... its a stickey mess and
when i put it into the freezer it cet hard ...
is this levamisole and lidocaine ?

I have no idea unfortunately

If you just leave it to dry out on the spoon / in the shotglass or whatever it will probably be rock hard within half an hour at most in any case

 

[AlsoTapered]

@AlsoTapered

Hey m8 what would your go-to way to test something and assay it's composition, were you a layman with access to layman resources.

The Dutch mafia won't let neither CGDon nor I use there GC this week, innit?

I would send it to an appropriate lab who will provide NMR & GCMS data. The GCMS will identify the (major) constituents and that achieved, one can pick apart the NMR to conform that absolute structure of said constituents.

These people are pretty quick to do the analysis. I mean, if you have £5 million kit sat about, they run a 3 shift system and work 24/7. It's a dreadfully dull job and they don't bother to do the identification so unless you tell them what it is, they don't KNOW.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Youre wrong...

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Youre wrong...

Who is? Everyone but you? Mr 76% max purity?

I think it's already clearly established that you think you know much more than you actually do about the subject, with all due respect

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Who is? Everyone but you? Mr 76% max purity?

I think it's already clearly established that you think you know much more than you actually do about the subject, with all due respect

Im going to stop debating this, I got my info out a solid scientific source, I dont see any good comming from this discussion, so Im out.

Still peace tho friend.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Im going to stop debating this, I got my info out a solid scientific source, I dont see any good comming from this discussion, so Im out.

Still peace tho friend.

you haven't debated it though, you were just incorrect. happens to the best of us!

nice day

 

[someguyontheinternet]

No it cant, the official max purity of crack is about 76%, google it before you make such claims, first of all baking soda doesnt clean out many cuts and second the baking soda is left in the crack, how can it ever be 99%???

My source for the max purity of crack is jellinek.

If you do an exact stoichometric reaction with baking soda then there is none left, idk how you got that idea. All that's left is NaCl, water, and cocaine base. If you do it right the base precipitates out of the water and it might catch some NaCl but then you can perform an extraction with another solvent like ether or chloroform to wash out the tiny bit of NaCl and water left trapped in the base. It's not that complicated

The only difference between crack and freebase is that crack has some water in it, you can make crack or freebase using both ammonia and baking soda. Shit I bet you can even do it with lye if you're careful

Max purity partially depends on your starting products and how much you know about them so you can react them properly, that's not taking into account that there are multiple purification methods to remove cuts as well before getting to the final base product whether it's crack or freebase

My source is basic chemistry knowledge, you can get that from any first year chem textbook

 

[sekio]

No it cant, the official max purity of crack is about 76%, google it before you make such claims, first of all baking soda doesnt clean out many cuts and second the baking soda is left in the crack, how can it ever be 99%???

My source for the max purity of crack is jellinek.

Okay, who, or what is "Jellinek", and what makes them the global arbiter of drug purity?
I can't find any sort of document or claim referencing the "max purity" being 76% (which does beg the question, what is the other 24%?).
Also, "official" max purity? Is there an organization out there that dictates the exact purity of street drugs, globally? Is it by chance the Freemasons? What would happen if someone could prove they had drugs of higher purity? Does "Jellinek" send the heavy goons to come mix sand into my coke and icing sugar into my morphine?

I have GC/MSed many crack rocks and also powder cocaine in my day. I never saw any with significant amounts of "trapped" salt or baking soda, because as stated before, the baking soda and salt stay dissolved in the water.
In fact the vast majority of samples dissolved cleanly in diethyl ether (salt and baking soda would remain as visible residue) and were in the mid to high 90s in terms of purity, with the impurities being things like tropacocaine or cinammoylcocaine (natural coca alkaloids).
Mind you there is a large amount of competition in my area so inferior dealers don't last.

The only difference between crack and freebase

Is that there is no difference. Crack is, definitionally, free base cocaine. And which base you use to produce it has zero effect on the product, You could use literally anything capable of raising the pH high enough to pull the HCl off cocaine. Pyridine, methylamine, calcium hydroxide, sodium hydroxide... chemically speaking the end product is cocaine base in all cases.

Generally speaking crack is of higher purity than powder cocaine simply because it doesn't react with water as easily to break down into benzoylecgonine (which is active as a numbing agent but not a stimulant). It will also remove a lot of '"simple" cuts, sugar, salt, caffeine, etc. but not alkaloids like levamisole or amphetamine (which if present, means you need a new dealer).

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Okay, who, or what is "Jellinek", and what makes them the global arbiter of drug purity?
I can't find any sort of document or claim referencing the "max purity" being 76% (which does beg the question, what is the other 24%?).
Also, "official" max purity? Is there an organization out there that dictates the exact purity of street drugs, globally? Is it by chance the Freemasons? What would happen if someone could prove they had drugs of higher purity? Does "Jellinek" send the heavy goons to come mix sand into my coke and icing sugar into my morphine?

I have GC/MSed many crack rocks and also powder cocaine in my day. I never saw any with significant amounts of "trapped" salt or baking soda, because as stated before, the baking soda and salt stay dissolved in the water.
In fact the vast majority of samples dissolved cleanly in diethyl ether (salt and baking soda would remain as visible residue) and were in the mid to high 90s in terms of purity, with the impurities being things like tropacocaine or cinammoylcocaine (natural coca alkaloids).
Mind you there is a large amount of competition in my area so inferior dealers don't last.


Is that there is no difference. Crack is, definitionally, free base cocaine. And which base you use to produce it has zero effect on the product, You could use literally anything capable of raising the pH high enough to pull the HCl off cocaine. Pyridine, methylamine, calcium hydroxide, sodium hydroxide... chemically speaking the end product is cocaine base in all cases.

Generally speaking crack is of higher purity than powder cocaine simply because it doesn't react with water as easily to break down into benzoylecgonine (which is active as a numbing agent but not a stimulant). It will also remove a lot of '"simple" cuts, sugar, salt, caffeine, etc. but not alkaloids like levamisole or amphetamine (which if present, means you need a new dealer).

You are right that crack has higher purity than hcl, now I live in the city with the highest purity coke that is the general quality comes into about every normal user worlwide his hands.

So if you know the highest average purity in my country worldwide is only about 76%, then ask yourself how low purity coke you start off with to make crack, since about every country farther away than our bordercountries have in general noticably lower purity coke.

Fact: the baking soda stays in the end product. Thats why crack gives this noize while heated and smoke which gave it its name crack, due to the baking soda in the crack.

Fact: while ammonia cleans out every to almost every cut, baking soda only cleans out way more little cuts.

Thats why dealers in countries where many ppl buy crack and not making itself, the dealers cut up with baking soda cause much more is left over, but this high yield is due to present baking soda and cuts...

Furthermore jellinek is an institute in amsterdam, but the biggest by far, most progressive, most experimental etc harm reduction institute no 1 worldwide.

Jellinek does nonstop scientific research about drugs worldwide and publish every year statistics on purity of any popular drug and its cuts and prices etc...

Furthermore jellinek made free government funded pro labs available for any drug, they give lessons which you can attend free where they teach you how to cooke basecoke with ammonia, do an acetone wash, slamming etc, to do its as responsible as possible, jellinek created the no 1 drug rehab, where according to their most recent scientific studies they experiment with the newest techniques etc...

Jellinek also made it possible to give 3 free clinical grade doses each day, to heavy coke and hero addicts, they have nursing homes for addicts where patients keep getting some doses of their doc.

Jellinek made amsterdam also the only city ever with ghb clinics where they taper you off with ghb itself.

Jellinek sets up huge signs in neon lights telling if in that area good or bad drugs are sold and which ones.

Not to mention our coffeeshops where you can buy weed, hasjish, spacecake etc
Or our smartshops that started with legally selling ghb, sell shrooms, growkits, dmt, ayahuasca, salvia upto 80x, etc...

Headshops with every kind of paraphernelia, or our growshops, and so on...

Jellinek made things possible that are far from realistic in any other city.

Jellinek gives scientific lectures all over the world.

And so on a lot...

So i think that jellinek might be the most trusting source in the world...

 

[sekio]

Fact: the baking soda stays in the end product.

Where I'm from, baking soda is only ever present as a solution when used to make crack, (cocaine HCl + baking soda + water heated together, they all initially dissolve and then cocaine base precipitates, first as an oil, then hardens. Namely, no solid bicarbonate is present) and as far as I can tell, is not present at all. It would both make the crack have a noticeable saline taste as well as being extractable into hot water (cocaine base melts at like 90C so you could trivially remove bicarbonate by melting crack gently into boiling water and cooling it to resolidify.
There's a principle in chemistry, "like dissolves like", meaning polar compounds like water and salts prefer to stick together, and nonpolar compounds like freebase cocaine want to keep seperate. Cocaine base has a solubility of about 0.2g/100mL water (less if salts are present), and sodium bicarbonate is soluble at 9.6g/100mL at 20C and 16.5g/100mL at 60C. Which do you think is going to stay in the water? Which will precipitate?
I have never seen baking soda precipitate when analysing crack, which I did informally for years. (Dissolve in ether, look at solution for clarity, run on GCMS).

Also, consider that cocaine base is volatile with heat, but sodium bicarbonate is not, instead fusing into white crusts of sodium carbonate. If you had any significant amount of baking soda present then you would see significant amounts of "ash" from vaporizing crack, and from watching many people smoke crack, I never saw any such thing.

Also also, if baking soda is present, then simply adding crack to acid solution (as is regularly done for injection, with vitamin C or vinegar) would cause noticeable amounts of foaming and fizzing, but this is not reported to my knowledge, and not seen in my days.

It's just not a very strong case for the "baking soda is used to cut crack" argument, don't you say?

Fact: while ammonia cleans out every to almost every cut,

It's just a base, any other compounds that form insoluble solid freebases will not be magically removed by ammonia, unfortunately. Namely, levamisole (when present). Unless you want to point out a reliable study showing there is a difference (not just a statement by some organization with no backing other than "trust us").

So i think that jellinek might be the most trusting source in the world...

Considering this is the first I've heard of them, maybe not. They're a drug advocacy organization, not a peer reviewed scientific publication. Nice and all, but I will trust the literature, my chemistry education, and my own experience over someone on the internets' second hand claims.

By the way, where I'm from (Canada) we are almost equally progressive, with drug testing available at street level by trusted organizations, legalized cannabis, effectively decriminalized psilocybin/ayahuasca, and have a "safe supply" program providing safer analogues of street drugs daily for free (benzodiazepines, methylphenidate, amphetamine, injectable hydromorphone). So don't feel too unique.

Anyway, if you want to continue insisting that somehow water soluble bicarbonate is regularly present in crack and the maximum purity is somehow 76% (again, what's the remaining balance? All bicarbonate?), go right ahead, but you have failed to convince me. And I sort of pity you, maybe consider a vacation here if you're into the whole smoking cocaine thing. It's certainly cheap and abundant in some areas here, and as I said before, competition is stiff, so people selling inferior products either have no returning clients, or are "convinced" to find a new supplier, or new line of work, by their local competitors.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Where I'm from, baking soda is only ever present as a solution when used to make crack, (cocaine HCl + baking soda + water heated together, they all initially dissolve and then cocaine base precipitates, first as an oil, then hardens. Namely, no solid bicarbonate is present) and as far as I can tell, is not present at all. It would both make the crack have a noticeable saline taste as well as being extractable into hot water (cocaine base melts at like 90C so you could trivially remove bicarbonate by melting crack gently into boiling water and cooling it to resolidify.
There's a principle in chemistry, "like dissolves like", meaning polar compounds like water and salts prefer to stick together, and nonpolar compounds like freebase cocaine want to keep seperate. Cocaine base has a solubility of about 0.2g/100mL water (less if salts are present), and sodium bicarbonate is soluble at 9.6g/100mL at 20C and 16.5g/100mL at 60C. Which do you think is going to stay in the water? Which will precipitate?
I have never seen baking soda precipitate when analysing crack, which I did informally for years. (Dissolve in ether, look at solution for clarity, run on GCMS).

Also, consider that cocaine base is volatile with heat, but sodium bicarbonate is not, instead fusing into white crusts of sodium carbonate. If you had any significant amount of baking soda present then you would see significant amounts of "ash" from vaporizing crack, and from watching many people smoke crack, I never saw any such thing.

Also also, if baking soda is present, then simply adding crack to acid solution (as is regularly done for injection, with vitamin C or vinegar) would cause noticeable amounts of foaming and fizzing, but this is not reported to my knowledge, and not seen in my days.

It's just not a very strong case for the "baking soda is used to cut crack" argument, don't you say?


It's just a base, any other compounds that form insoluble solid freebases will not be magically removed by ammonia, unfortunately. Namely, levamisole (when present). Unless you want to point out a reliable study showing there is a difference (not just a statement by some organization with no backing other than "trust us").


Considering this is the first I've heard of them, maybe not. They're a drug advocacy organization, not a peer reviewed scientific publication. Nice and all, but I will trust the literature, my chemistry education, and my own experience over someone on the internets' second hand claims.

By the way, where I'm from (Canada) we are almost equally progressive, with drug testing available at street level by trusted organizations, legalized cannabis, effectively decriminalized psilocybin/ayahuasca, and have a "safe supply" program providing safer analogues of street drugs daily for free (benzodiazepines, methylphenidate, amphetamine, injectable hydromorphone). So don't feel too unique.

Anyway, if you want to continue insisting that somehow water soluble bicarbonate is regularly present in crack and the maximum purity is somehow 76% (again, what's the remaining balance? All bicarbonate?), go right ahead, but you have failed to convince me. And I sort of pity you, maybe consider a vacation here if you're into the whole smoking cocaine thing. It's certainly cheap and abundant in some areas here, and as I said before, competition is stiff, so people selling inferior products either have no returning clients, or are "convinced" to find a new supplier, or new line of work, by their local competitors.

Look it up, baking soda is present im crack ot is why its named crack!

Btw, do you really believe crack tastes pure??? Have you seen how crack mostly is yellowish or even brownish, all cause its that impure, coke cleaned with ammonia the base is pure white without exception... and that tastes pure!

All of what i say is fact, simply google it before saying things that are totally wrong...

 

[sekio]

Look it up, baking soda is present im crack ot is why its named crack!

I can find no such reliable source showing that it is. I can find many, many sources indicating baking soda is used to make crack, but none that say with certainty that bicarbonate remains in significant quantity.

Btw, do you really believe crack tastes pure??? Have you seen how crack mostly is yellowish or even brownish, all cause its that impure,

Where I live, all the crack is pretty uniform. Bone-white to sometimes very slightly off-white, harder than typical candle wax but still breakable with a fingernail, totally insoluble in water. Usually 90% or above on GCMS. And usually it all had very similar "tastes" when vaporized, no matter where in the city or who you dealt with in general.
Honestly, I never saw crack that was yellow or brown. As I said, there are enough dealers around, and enough cocaine, that inferior products don't last or propagate. The free market at work. Maybe I am just blessed to live in an area more closely connected to the supply chain than in Europe.

All of what i say is fact, simply google it before saying things that are totally wrong...

How about you consider a rebuttal to any of my other points?

Anyway, this is a silly argument to have, and I feel we are talking in circles. Just know that I have no good reason to make shit up wholesale on this topic. I've posted several objectively confirmable physical facts as well as about my personal experiences, but you seem to rely on "authorities" who themselves lack hard evidence for their claims.

Crack may be low purity in your area but it is not going to be due to whether it is produced with bicarbonate, or ammonia, or lime, or whatever base. It's a case of "garbage in garbage out". If your cocaine has a bunch of other solid alkaloidal cuts, dyes, etc - a simple base treatment will not remove them, generally. You'd need more complex techniques, like chromatography.

And as I said before, any baking soda can be removed by melting it in boiling water and letting it cool and solidify again.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

I can find no such reliable source showing that it is. I can find many, many sources indicating baking soda is used to make crack, but none that say with certainty that bicarbonate remains in significant quantity.


Where I live, all the crack is pretty uniform. Bone-white to sometimes very slightly off-white, harder than typical candle wax but still breakable with a fingernail, totally insoluble in water. Usually 90% or above on GCMS. And usually it all had very similar "tastes" when vaporized, no matter where in the city or who you dealt with in general.
Honestly, I never saw crack that was yellow or brown. As I said, there are enough dealers around, and enough cocaine, that inferior products don't last or propagate. The free market at work. Maybe I am just blessed to live in an area more closely connected to the supply chain than in Europe.


How about you consider a rebuttal to any of my other points?

Anyway, this is a silly argument to have, and I feel we are talking in circles. Just know that I have no good reason to make shit up wholesale on this topic. I've posted several objectively confirmable physical facts as well as about my personal experiences, but you seem to rely on "authorities" who themselves lack hard evidence for their claims.

Crack may be low purity in your area but it is not going to be due to whether it is produced with bicarbonate, or ammonia, or lime, or whatever base. It's a case of "garbage in garbage out". If your cocaine has a bunch of other solid alkaloidal cuts, dyes, etc - a simple base treatment will not remove them, generally. You'd need more complex techniques, like chromatography.

And as I said before, any baking soda can be removed by melting it in boiling water and letting it cool and solidify again.

You actually dont seem to realize this, but i live in the two biggest drug cities, specially coke, in the world and our drugs here are officially from the highest purity in the world.

 

[BWG707]

Doesn’t anyone remember using ether and and a couple drops of amomia, and adding cocaine , shaking vigorously then let solution separate and siphon off top layer with an eye dropper and squeeze onto a glass, let crystallize and scrape with a razor blade. That’s what we called freebase. Cooking with baking soda, cocaine, and water we called dry base. Myself and others have compared both in the same sitting and we all agreed the dry base baking soda cook was more intense. The ether freebase was fuffy, we did not weigh out. hits, so the dry base was probably more dense. The soda cooked “dry base” did taste better/cleaner in my opinion. Also we all thought the high was stronger. It probably had a lot to do with the size of the hits since we did not weigh each hit. Overall preference stills goes to soda dry base.
I still wonder why I rarely here about freebasing with ether?

 

[someguyontheinternet]

So first here is the reaction of baking soda and cocaine. I don't see any baking soda left on the right side of the equation, only salt water co2 and base
Coc-H+Cl− + NaHCO3 → Coc + H2O + CO2 + NaCl

Crack is named after the crackling sound it makes when heated which is a result of water left over in the product not because there's baking soda

Crack cocaine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[sekio]

two biggest drug cities, specially coke, in the world and our drugs here are officially from the highest purity in the world.

Let's not do the "my drugs are better than yours" dicksizing.
I'm glad you have pride in your country's drug market but sadly Amsterdam/the Netherlands is not some privileged supercentre of only the best drugs from everywhere, sadly. Sorry to burst your bubble. Plenty of well connected port cities have an abundance of high purity drugs. As far as I know there is no global organization capable of determining the purity of street drugs from every dealer in every area in the world.
But anyway, if it's such a promised land of pure drugs why are you seeing yellow/brown crack and purities of 76%? Why do people have cuts to remove at all? Do you not think you'd find cocaine of generally higher purity in, say, Colombia or Ecuador or another producing nation, as opposed to literally the opposite side of the globe? (AFAICT there are no significant commercial scale E. coca plantations in the Netherlands or even Europe in general)
Same with heroin in countries like Mexico and Afghanistan.

Again, if you want to post peer reviewed studies showing otherwise, go ahead and show 'em. But I need more evidence than "trust me bro my dealer has the purest drugs ever".

Myself and others have compared both in the same sitting and we all agreed the dry base baking soda cook was more intense. [...] It probably had a lot to do with the size of the hits since we did not weigh each hit.

Yeah, you can't really glean any useful information from such a "study" aside from maybe "crack is fun to smoke".
A double blind study with equal weight amounts of ammonia and bicarb produced base would be what you needed.
Chemically speaking the products are identical though, the only difference being the production of ammonium chloride over sodium chloride.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

Let's not do the "my drugs are better than yours" dicksizing.
I'm glad you have pride in your country's drug market but sadly Amsterdam/the Netherlands is not some privileged supercentre of only the best drugs from everywhere, sadly. Sorry to burst your bubble. Plenty of well connected port cities have an abundance of high purity drugs. As far as I know there is no global organization capable of determining the purity of street drugs from every dealer in every area in the world.
But anyway, if it's such a promised land of pure drugs why are you seeing yellow/brown crack and purities of 76%? Why do people have cuts to remove at all? Do you not think you'd find cocaine of generally higher purity in, say, Colombia or Ecuador or another producing nation, as opposed to literally the opposite side of the globe? (AFAICT there are no significant commercial scale E. coca plantations in the Netherlands or even Europe in general)
Same with heroin in countries like Mexico and Afghanistan.

Again, if you want to post peer reviewed studies showing otherwise, go ahead and show 'em. But I need more evidence than "trust me bro my dealer has the purest drugs ever".


Yeah, you can't really glean any useful information from such a "study" aside from maybe "crack is fun to smoke".
A double blind study with equal weight amounts of ammonia and bicarb produced base would be what you needed.
Chemically speaking the products are identical though, the only difference being the production of ammonium chloride over sodium chloride.

Its not just like that that we have such pure drugs, first of all antwerp is the biggest import city for coke worldwide, the ultimate coke gate to entire europe, everything comes in from south america, next there is way too much coke and dealers in antwerp, its by far the most favorite drug here and antwerp has most coke users in the world, as with any drug that is so popular and of which there is an overflow dealers sell the most if they have the best quality so not much cuts being done, the fact that antwerp has by far the highest general purity coke worldwide can be found in many serious sources, of course worldwide purity and cuts come from police taking drugs from a user or dealer and got it analyzed.

Something you dont seem to get is that im talking about the average quality, the quality as good as any user who buys a few g from normal average dealers is the highest in antwerp, and no, you wont find better in colombia since street coke there is often very cut up, I know, I travelled over 2 yrs thru south america.

Im a plug moving 40 to 60 kilo around each week, thats why I have way better quality, due to large amounts and since arrival uncut kilos coke, but every kilo is at least already cut with levamisole in south america itself, so nobody in the world has uncut coke, however also for large quantities antwerp stays the top of the world, my coke was gc ms lab tested and was 86% pure, believe you me, you can find in some countries similar quality with big amount, but this about as pure as it gets without cleaning it.

That the purity of coke is the highest in antwerp of the world is just FACT.

Just like it is fact that aussies have far less pure drugs than about any other country...

Sorry to say this but also in the usa dealers cut up their stuff more than in many other countries plus you risk death with most drugs cause of fent, heroin you just dont have anymore, thats what I call a poor drug scene.

Also dont forget that many drugs are that powerful they can already with average or even rather low purity give strong and good effects tho the more cut the more negative effects will manifest itself too due to psycho active cuts which also make you have a way heavier crash.

And why amsterdam has of about any drug the highest quality in the world is becsuse heroin, coke and ghb get for serious addicts for free provided all clinical grade, many other drugs are sold in coffeeshops and smartshops, even ghb started out as legal product in smartshops and all those drugs are clinical grade.

Also, we have many free test labs and most ppl over here use them and dutch ppl can be quite arrogant and demand only top quality, if the result shows less purity and or a serious cut they meet with that dealer again kick his ass and get their money back and dutch ppl are used to only the best and are to proux to buy lesser quality, so dealers in amsterdam only do good business if they deliver only top quality and in amsterdam specific cuts are made popular by jellinek cause they are harmless and not psycho active, so not only are drugs least cut up in the world in amsterdam, if they get cut its mostly with a product that has neither for body as mind any effects at all. Amsterdam even puts big neon signs all over the city saying which area sells which drugs and if they are good or bad quality, simply to guide tourists to the best popular drugs, or do you think its just without reason that amsterdam has the most drug tourists in the world and that by far the biggest type of tourism is in amsterdam is drug tourism and second sex tourism, which is also unique in amsterdam.

So yes, that we over here possess over the biggest amount of drugs with all such purity that it is the highest among the world with least bad cuts all over the world, amsterdam is shaped by jellinek to know a lot about purities and cuts also in other countries, and why do you think when the dark web started to get real good with alphabay holland already back then was a red flag country and probably the ultimate red flag country in the world?

If youve never been to antwerp or amsterdam you might wanna shut up in denying these facts, cause you cant even imagine what vibe here is, what drugs we have, what mentality that government, police, jellinek and users share over here, if police here sees you snorting coke in public during the day they are not even going to check what amount you have on you, they ask if you got it tested and how good it is, tell you to keep safe and very nicely wish you a good day, or one day the amsterdam police got a phonecall from antwerp police that 2 belgian coke traffickers were now in amsterdam and if they could bust them and put em in jail, the amsterdam police checked this guys out and amsterdam police called antwerp and said sorry we are not putting them in jail cause they only had like 2 or 3 kilo coke and thats not worth going to jail for, then antwerp police demanded those guys would be officially returned to antwerp and amsterdam refused cause otherwise they would go to jail, so amsterdam decided these guys couldnt go outside amsterdam but were free to stay as long as they could and wanted to stay in amsterdam as free ppl.

I tell these things to give you a tiny insight in how our countries drug policies work in practice a d that most of these things would be impossible in any other country, you cant even now not imagine how deep our drug culture goes and since that only top quality drugs with max one minor cut of the officially promoted cuts are accepted, we created our own culture with indeed the highest quality drugs in the world simply cause we made sure that the already high quality that comes into nl doesnt get cut up all the time while in other countries drugs get cut up like 10 times or so before it comes to the lowest dealer in the chain the ones that sell directly to the customer.

Really, dont say anything about how amsterdam treats addicts or the purity of our drugs, cause you dont and cant know, amsterdam is the ultimate walhalla for every drug fanatic ever!

And dont you think this biggest coke city in the world antwerp while amsterdam pays most of the containers coming into antwerp doesnt make amsterdam and antwerp two highly criminal cities? Some yrs ago a huge drug war started between amsterdam and antwerp, one death squad after the other was send to shoot up all the homes from gang members and loved ones, then they started throwing grenades in the streets, many public liquidations and quite recently our minister of justice and his family were forced into a safe house quite a while cause about the biggest coke kartel was planning on kidnapping our minister and torture him until he would make some laws for the coke world a lot easyer and if the minister would not have caved in in time he would have been tortured till death...

I find crime of this nature totally out of control and there are already places in the city where you cant come as whiteboy, the entire young generation of maroccans gets brainwashed to be as violent as possible towards belgians, even the police already some yrs has no go zones.

And everytime a big kartel has to appear in front of a judge they never get convicted and they always totally open say things to the media cameras like for example; you know, with money everything is possible...

Thats a tiny sketch kf what life in these two cities is like, you must admitt, not many cultivated small european cities got such extreme criminality, all because we are the biggest coke cities in the world!

 

[AussieJoe]

For someone who supposedly moves 40-60 kg a week ...your pretty naive & arrogant thinking you the only country that has the (best uuuugh).Cartels shift their product all around the world including Aus.....But hey whatever floats your boat mate .

 

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For someone who supposedly moves 40-60 kg a week ...your pretty naive & arrogant thinking you the only country that has the (best uuuugh).Cartels shift their product all around the world including Aus.....But hey whatever floats your boat mate .

Im not denying that other countries too can have top quality drugs but amsterdam is the biggest drug city in the world and antwerp the biggest coke city in the world do you really believe that cities who rule the world drug wise wouldnt have such an amount of the best drugs worldwide too?

One difference is in the usa you are flooded with super meth out of mexican super labs and is one of the most popular drugs so it makes sense that the usa has cheap the best quality meth in the world while over here there is as good as no meth but if you can find it it is super expensive like at least 80 euro per g and its always pure crap.

The most coke from south america goes to europe and all enters in antwerp, of course we have some of the best kartels in the world working together with the biggest kartels of s america.

And when it comes to purity and cuts we dont have to guess like other countries, we get all our drugs lab tested so we know exactly how high the purity is and how little it is cut, its just common sense since we know for sure that if a drug passes ten gangs everhtime smaller amounts we know it got cut mostly only 1 time in small amount with cuts like mannitol is very popular harmless and not psycho active, and it also is common sense that in many countries that have no test labs and a drug passes also ten gangs before it gets to the user it most likely is cut up ten times, and also that is not a guess since all cuts and purities of important cities around the world are in their database, so we can actually compare these things with some scientific accuracy.

And as far as drugs with aussies goes, Ive heard from so many aussies the same things, horrible speed what means meth to you but is pure crank, and paying upto 500 dollar for one g so called coke since its only 5%(im)pure!

And that is based on more than a few aussies their own experience with drugs over there plus your border control is probably one of the most difficult to break thru its simply absurd and if you look at these things together its also comon sense that a lot more aus drugs suck and could very well be very expensive.

But hey, I get it if you guys your ego cant handle to believe me, well than, before denying what I say, look up the statistics for yourself but even then you all wouldnt be capable of believing it...

Remember, if you read about speed, that means ld amp over here and not meth...

Here you can read straight from the news site about the antwerp coke scene

Belgian drugs are "horrifyingly pure"

Researchers at Antwerp University are sounding the alarm with regard to the purity of drugs in Belgium. Each day researchers at the uni assess the quality of drugs in circulation in Belgium. They say that drugs seized here are particularly pure and contain high levels of active ingredients.

www.vrt.be

And here you can read how pure drugs in amsterdam are

How Amsterdam Became Europe’s Hyper Drug Market

This Hedonistic Disneyland has escalated far beyond psychedelics and weed to become a city of speed.

www.vice.com

Here you can read that crack is the most impure form of all coke bases and ammonia gives highest purity