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Did I get lucky or probably just about to start being miserable?

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Harmredux

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I detoxed from alcohol (3-4,maybe 5 beers a day but it was bothering me) & while at a facility they wouldn't give me my pain meds but instead did a 5 day subox taper of 4mg twice a day on day one then 2mg twice on day two and 3,and 2mg the morning of day 4 & said I would not have WD.
If course as soon as I got home I took my pain meds because I feckin' needed them..

BUT I JUST ran out 5 days ago and repeated the same taper and meds they didv(clonidine, a benzo, muscle relaxer, etc).
I have 5 days until I can get my new meds that take into account my metabolic genetic weirdness and I AM PRAYING THAT I WON'T HAVE WITHDRAWAL.
Anyone think I will be OK?
Who says yes and for those that say I will go through WD, I will do a GAW of a new glass pipe for whoever is closest to the hour I call I am officially in WD.

What do you all think?
 
You ran out of opiates 5 days ago? If you were gonna get withdrawal you would have them by now.
Harmredux said:
I detoxed from alcohol (3-4,maybe 5 beers a day but it was bothering me) & while at a facility they wouldn't give me my pain meds but instead did a 5 day subox taper of 4mg twice a day on day one then 2mg twice on day two and 3,and 2mg the morning of day 4 & said I would not have WD.
If course as soon as I got home I took my pain meds because I feckin' needed them..

BUT I JUST ran out 5 days ago and repeated the same taper and meds they didv(clonidine, a benzo, muscle relaxer, etc).
I have 5 days until I can get my new meds that take into account my metabolic genetic weirdness and I AM PRAYING THAT I WON'T HAVE WITHDRAWAL.
Anyone think I will be OK?
Who says yes and for those that say I will go through WD, I will do a GAW of a new glass pipe for whoever is closest to the hour I call I am officially in WD.

What do you all think?
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Harmredux said:
I detoxed from alcohol (3-4,maybe 5 beers a day but it was bothering me) & while at a facility they wouldn't give me my pain meds but instead did a 5 day subox taper of 4mg twice a day on day one then 2mg twice on day two and 3,and 2mg the morning of day 4 & said I would not have WD.
If course as soon as I got home I took my pain meds because I feckin' needed them..

BUT I JUST ran out 5 days ago and repeated the same taper and meds they didv(clonidine, a benzo, muscle relaxer, etc).
I have 5 days until I can get my new meds that take into account my metabolic genetic weirdness and I AM PRAYING THAT I WON'T HAVE WITHDRAWAL.
Anyone think I will be OK?
Who says yes and for those that say I will go through WD, I will do a GAW of a new glass pipe for whoever is closest to the hour I call I am officially in WD.

What do you all think?
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Depends on what pain meds you are taking to be honest and how long you have been taking them. Also if you have been taking subs as well.
 
Last 2mg of sub was 3 days ago. Last month looked like this :
FIRST 7 day detox,
THEN 3 weeks oxy intake of like 300mg a day because the subs they gave me in detox (I was there to quit the last bit of booze, I can't totally quit pain meds due to chronic pain)
LAST week was 4 days of sub: 8mg,4mg,2mg, 2mg
NOW it is a bit over 3 days of nothing but no WDs yet

Out of the woods?

I am in so much pain and scripts don't refill for 4 days more but I might only take the short acting if I am basically opiate free right now...
 
Harmredux said:
Last 2mg of sub was 3 days ago. Last month looked like this :
FIRST 7 day detox,
THEN 3 weeks oxy intake of like 300mg a day because the subs they gave me in detox (I was there to quit the last bit of booze, I can't totally quit pain meds due to chronic pain)
LAST week was 4 days of sub: 8mg,4mg,2mg, 2mg
NOW it is a bit over 3 days of nothing but no WDs yet

Out of the woods?

I am in so much pain and scripts don't refill for 4 days more but I might only take the short acting if I am basically opiate free right now...
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Guess you'll know by tomorrow... make sure you check back in with us to see how you are getting along. Hopefully it won't be so bad.
 
Thanks for the words of encouragement.

Still ok. Taking preventative measures - clonidine, muscle relaxer, advil, a little valium, and 1 immodium even though I have not had the runs.
Pray for me because if I make it till Tuesday without experiencing withdrawal, I can totally change the way I am taking my meds and deal with a lot of pain rather than be stuck HAVING to take meds just not to be sick.

I'll take all the prayers I can get 😊
 
By the way, the place I went to in NYC was so high class and wonderful - place is called Ascendant, they take insurance and don't put up with any bullshit.
The protocol is pretty much what I am doing but they also add seroquel or a similar sleep aid.
I could not believe that the most subox I got was 4mg a day (twice a day for first 2 days), tapered down to 2mg twice a day for 3 days, then just 2mg in the morning and I felt ZERO withdrawal. I went in there with about 300mg of oxy and 600mg of pure opium (NOT just morphine) coursing through me and they handled the situation perfectly.

I know now that when we try to detox ourselves, we (at least the impression I get from hanging around here for a decade) overdo it with our efforts. 2mg was plenty even for the people stumbling in on fentanyl.

If the universe is listening, I am begging for this to be over. I have slept every night so far, that by far is the worst part for me.

Thanks again everyone ❤️ I hope that everyone who is strung out and reading this can feel hopeful and empowered over their addictions. I am a little over a month without booze and my face is so much less puffy and flushed.
I can see my pupils again too, lol.
 
No withdrawal yet!
In a lot, LOT of pain so I know there's nothing on my receptors.

Anyway, this sure is weird. I have a few ideas why but I am not totally out of the woods yet so keeping my mouth shut until at least Monday.
 
Harmredux said:
No withdrawal yet!
In a lot, LOT of pain so I know there's nothing on my receptors.

Anyway, this sure is weird. I have a few ideas why but I am not totally out of the woods yet so keeping my mouth shut until at least Monday.
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Glad to hear you are doing better, even if you're having pain. I also suffer from chronic pain but have found lots of other ways to manage it other than resorting to taking meds. A really nice warm bath honestly does wonders, even a hot shower.

Sending positive vibes your way!
 
Thanks!
CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Nitrous oxide, an opioid addictive agent

Pharmacologic evidence that nitrous oxide is addictive through direct interaction with the endogenous opioid system includes the possibility that it is a partial agonist and acts at the mu, kappa, and sigma opioid receptors. The medical and psychiatric complications of its abuse are discussed...
www.amjmed.com

Or just do a search on nitrous. I found an old cracker and box of cartridges, how have I never heard that nitrous affects opioid receptors before. Is it possible I am dodging this bullet because I did a couple little balloons a few times a day over the last week?!!!

I would think that others would have figured this out before and it'd be standard operating procedure by now if so.

I only had one dose kratom and 16mg total bupe over 3-4 days, the last dose now over 4-5 days ago... I have some other tricks like using agmatine, but I should be miserable right now and all I have is usual pain. It's not possible I am currently in WD because I have slept every night fine, and usually even a 20% would cause insomnia for days.
 
Wierdest thing and I know no one will probably believe me but I was on suboxone maintenance for 5 years straight. I jumped off at 4mg twice a day a year ago and never experienced ANY withdrawal at all. I wasn’t using any substances at the time either. I just started taking kratom three months ago. So weird. I always hear about horrendous suboxone withdrawals. Never experienced any at all myself.
 
It's awful that medicine /science can't find better answers as to why this happens. I don't see any obvious economic tsunamis that would arise if we could figure out how to control opiate withdrawal.
I have heard more than one professional say that they think the suffering is a good thing to teach us all a lesson. An obviously ridiculous sentiment.

This thing we've both experienced with no withdrawal must be combinations of things that are difficult to sort out, but certainly not impossible.

I don't know if it's worth me posting my full protocol- it's based on that amazing detox facility I went to for a week did, plus me adding a few OTC supplements that not a lot of people know about such as agmatine.

If I ever have the funds to do so, I would happily devote my work life to figuring out how to get people off without the withdrawal. This was miraculous!
 
Opiate withdrawals begin, for me, anywhere from 1 hour to 12 hours after coming down completely from my last dose. And with fentanyl, for me personally, the withdrawals begin before I'm even completely down.

I don't really know why the onset of withdrawals is so inconsistent for me even if I'm using the same drug. Different purities, adulterants, foods I've invested and meds I take? A combination of all those things? No idea.

But while everyone is different and may experience onset of symptoms in different time intervals, if you have absolutely no noticeable physical withdrawal symptoms by the 24 hour mark, you're not going to at all. You may still experience the psychological withdrawal symptoms, but you are very safe from physical ones.

Be glad, too. Bupe withdrawals aren't nearly as intense as heroin or fentanyl withdrawals, but they're only slightly less miserable with the additional caveat that they last like two or three times as long which actually makes them far more miserable, IMO.
 
Oh, I have been through subox wd before and it is torture. Well enough to get on in your life most ways after 4 days, but zero sleep, tons of anxiety, and all kinds of other little miserable effects.

I agree 100% that it is a combo of lots of things, but I am saying with enough research we could figure it out. Lord knows we would have enough test subjects willing to help us find out!

I am definitely grateful and consider it an act of grace to have been blessed. Now that alcohol is a month and a half behind me, and I am getting the right meds prescribed, I am definitely not going to HAVE TO take something every day and hope that 3-4 days with time in between each week won't kindle any WD symptoms and I will be monkeys-free even though the circus is still in town.

What do you all say we create a "I stopped taking opiates but didn't get withdrawal" thread and set up a form or poll to see if we can find some commonalities?
 
Harmredux said:
Thanks!
CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Nitrous oxide, an opioid addictive agent

Pharmacologic evidence that nitrous oxide is addictive through direct interaction with the endogenous opioid system includes the possibility that it is a partial agonist and acts at the mu, kappa, and sigma opioid receptors. The medical and psychiatric complications of its abuse are discussed...
www.amjmed.com

Or just do a search on nitrous. I found an old cracker and box of cartridges, how have I never heard that nitrous affects opioid receptors before. Is it possible I am dodging this bullet because I did a couple little balloons a few times a day over the last week?!!!

I would think that others would have figured this out before and it'd be standard operating procedure by now if so.

I only had one dose kratom and 16mg total bupe over 3-4 days, the last dose now over 4-5 days ago... I have some other tricks like using agmatine, but I should be miserable right now and all I have is usual pain. It's not possible I am currently in WD because I have slept every night fine, and usually even a 20% would cause insomnia for days.
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This is very interesting..I was asking myself the same question if this would at all be effective/helpful, because nitrous is in fact a dissociative. I may need to attempt some personal trials
 
Juicewrldfan said:
Wierdest thing and I know no one will probably believe me but I was on suboxone maintenance for 5 years straight. I jumped off at 4mg twice a day a year ago and never experienced ANY withdrawal at all. I wasn’t using any substances at the time either. I just started taking kratom three months ago. So weird. I always hear about horrendous suboxone withdrawals. Never experienced any at all myself.
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I've heard of this happening to people actually, but think you got quite lucky. I've been through sub withdrawal a few times and although they're not as intense as even codeine withdrawal, it still sucked and lasted ages.
 
I have been through sub wd too, and it was a lot different and in some ways worse. Like a mix of opiate AND benzo wd together... total insomnia and depression plus instead of being focused on total survival mode, instead just a couple of weeks of that hopeless feeling you get on day 2 of bad regular wd where you know what is about to happen... But in the case of subox it just stays there for weeks.
Anyway, this nitrous fix is definitely something we should all explore because it seems to just be coming to light now that nitrous does affect opiate receptors and I think in my case it's why I never experienced much more than quiet (as opposed to hysterical) depression and complete lack of energy but was able to sleep around 80% of what I would consider normal.
ALSO PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT nitrous comes with a very steep tolerance to DOES NOT SEEM TO EVER RETURN TO BASELINE. Or let's say that for at least a year you don't get anywhere near the same effect as the first dozen uses.

Finally, I think that I have enough experience over the past decade of dealing with this once a month for at least 4-5 days to say with certainty that about a half dozen "new" supplements and methods I used were the reason I didn't get any WD.

I don't know whether I should post it or not.
 
Fuck it. I say do it. I mean I'm sure mods can move it or merge it if need be..I've had similar experiences where I was like holy shit I think I got lucky!!! But then I figure what the hell and ruin whatever was going good/working for me at the time.

And yes nitrous is definitely on my to do list I haven't touched it in maybe 10 years
 
Harmredux said:
Oh, I have been through subox wd before and it is torture. Well enough to get on in your life most ways after 4 days, but zero sleep, tons of anxiety, and all kinds of other little miserable effects.

I agree 100% that it is a combo of lots of things, but I am saying with enough research we could figure it out. Lord knows we would have enough test subjects willing to help us find out!

I am definitely grateful and consider it an act of grace to have been blessed. Now that alcohol is a month and a half behind me, and I am getting the right meds prescribed, I am definitely not going to HAVE TO take something every day and hope that 3-4 days with time in between each week won't kindle any WD symptoms and I will be monkeys-free even though the circus is still in town.

What do you all say we create a "I stopped taking opiates but didn't get withdrawal" thread and set up a form or poll to see if we can find some commonalities?
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I wonder if you are an unusual metabolizer or something? For most people, suboxone withdrawal PEAKS at like 7 days. After 4 days, I am just starting to get into the bad withdrawals. The half life is SO long that withdrawals last 3-4 weeks, and they don't even start for me, beyond runny eyes/nose and some anxiety, for like a full 48 hours.
 
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