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As much as this was a hard thing for me to hear, I've been vaping thc since I've been using it to kick my oxy habit I had for years. The only thing I am worried about is if the vape smoke may have some effect on possible cancer cells I may develop in my future but I really don't know enough so wanted to start a discussion. Does anyone know anything regarding vaping thc and cancer. My father also told me this father had prostate, lung, and throat caner. My Dad does like to exaggerate so I'm not entirely sure but it's all hitting me really hard, if anything just leave me something to read, thank you
 
In terms of harm prevention or reduction, vaping is definitely better for you than combusting (bong, joint, paper, etc). Assuming that you're vaping flower.

Combusting (higher temperature) will lead to the formation of pyrolytic hydrocarbons. This effect will be eliminated (or reduced, take your pick) b/c of the lower temperatures of vaping. I won't say that vaping *isn't* harmful, just that it's less harmful.

Toml
 
What you need to realise is that going over even 185c when vaping increases the Benzene content a lot. However its still so much better for you than smoking (the list of harmful chemicals in smoke from Joints and/or Cigarettes is crazy, I do notice when ive been ill before with a terrible sore throat that vaping made it hurt a lot, however it is warm air.

 
Thomas Davie said:
In terms of harm prevention or reduction, vaping is definitely better for you than combusting (bong, joint, paper, etc). Assuming that you're vaping flower.

Combusting (higher temperature) will lead to the formation of pyrolytic hydrocarbons. This effect will be eliminated (or reduced, take your pick) b/c of the lower temperatures of vaping. I won't say that vaping *isn't* harmful, just that it's less harmful.

Toml
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I'm currently vaping 5th house distillate carts from a dispensary. It's the only thing with low enough scent and easy to hide in my apartment, is carts much worse than flower? I always thought it was safer as long as I find a good dispensary and sticked mid tier prices or things they suggest. I did start dabbing and then switched to live resin carts but changed to distillate because of people reporting a 'smell'.
 
If it can give you some peace of mind you can try doing oils/tinctures in between so you can use the actual vape a little less

Sorry about your dad, sending you support
 
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Vape is safer, but not safe.

I developed a pre-cancerous condition in my oesophagus when I was vaping. I thought it was safe, so I vaped a lot. They found the legions on my oesophagus when I did a endoscopy (for gut problems). Otherwise I never would have known and I probably never would have stopped vaping.

How harmful it is will depend on a bunch of factors, including: the density of the vapour you are producing, the temperature you are vaping at... and (obviously) how much you are hitting your vape.

I recommend stopping.

I did and I don't regret it at all.

Vaping > Smoking
Tincture > Vaping

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I'm sorry to hear about your father.

All the best.
 
There aren't long term studies on vaping because it wasn't done en masse until recently.



This is all anecdotal. Not even an educated guess, just a guess, but I think that "vapes" actually span the spectrum, from "worse than working in a coal mine, unmasked" to "less physically detrimental than a heavy sugar/overeating habit", based mostly on 4 factors:

1) coil/atomizer metal type and quality
2) quality of juice/distillate/what youre vaping
3) temperature of vapor coming out of device
4?) User input- do you rip it right to the lungs, or mouth-inhale? How long do you inhale continuously?

Vaping certain things could definitely be worse than smoking. I have had a long career of smoking and vaping many things, all-day-every-day style (not proud. sorry, body) and just from the surface, the hardest on my lungs was vaporizing weed products, whether it was carts or dabs. Far worse than cigarettes, even. Taking giant rips from carts (10-15 seconds) fucked my lungs up bad, which probably shouldn't have been a surprise lol

The one that seemed least damaging was the old school nicotine vaporizers with the giant coils and giant mods. They use different (higher quality) metal for the coil/atomizer, which is a key part of bad shit getting in your lungs. Also, that style uses a very high volume of vapor (solvents) to a low ratio of active ingredients --versus the newer "salt" nicotine vapes that are low vapor volume, extremely high active ingredient content. The solvents are usually different ratios of VG and PG, which aren't 1/2 as bad for your lungs as tar and metal. Honestly, if I took a huge rip of the nicotine vape after smoking a bowl, it felt like it cleaned the nasty resin taste out of my lungs immediately. Idk if a solvent could even work that way to remove a superficial coating of tar from your lungs, but that's how it felt and tasted.
 
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bird.brain said:
Vape is safer, but not safe.

I developed a pre-cancerous condition in my oesophagus when I was vaping. I thought it was safe, so I vaped a lot. They found the legions on my oesophagus when I did a endoscopy (for gut problems). Otherwise I never would have known and I probably never would have stopped vaping.

How harmful it is will depend on a bunch of factors, including: the density of the vapour you are producing, the temperature you are vaping at... and (obviously) how much you are hitting your vape.

I recommend stopping.

I did and I don't regret it at all.

Vaping > Smoking
Tincture > Vaping

...

I'm sorry to hear about your father.

All the best.
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What vape/s were you using? This is concerning
 
soapdropper said:
I'm currently vaping 5th house distillate carts from a dispensary. It's the only thing with low enough scent and easy to hide in my apartment, is carts much worse than flower? I always thought it was safer as long as I find a good dispensary and sticked mid tier prices or things they suggest. I did start dabbing and then switched to live resin carts but changed to distillate because of people reporting a 'smell'.
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Carts by themselves are not more harmful than vaping flower (IMO). As long as they are legal cartridges and tested for pesticides, heavy metals....and Vitamin E. If they are legal carts from a legal state you're probably gold.

Tinctures, capsules and water soluble THC are also good options.

Tom
 
What vape/s were you using? This is concerning
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Volcano digit.

It could be unrelated. Might have been caused by reflux, but vaping definitely made it worse.

I don't want to fear monger, here. I just think it's a mistake to assume that breathing in hot vapour is healthy.
 
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Volcano digit.

It could be unrelated. Might have been caused by reflux, but vaping definitely made it worse.

I don't want to fear monger, here. I just think it's a mistake to assume that breathing in hot vapour is healthy.
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I do always tell people please remember its not fresh air, it is hot vapour for this reason.

Did you smoke or smoke any other drugs during these times?
Would you say you was naively using in a sense that like i said above you thought it was fine and just filled your lungs with vapour and held it or was you always cautious ?
also what was the source of the herb you was vaping? was it unknown homegrown or which
 
The source was dubious. Black market from people I don't trust. I wouldn't be surprised if they sprayed it... And yes I hit the vape very, very hard. As hard as my body could withstand basically. Sometimes had coughing fits that lasted 5-10 minutes.

I used to smoke a bit of tobacco mixed into weed but haven't smoked cigarettes (regularly) for a long time.

The way I was hitting the vapour, in retrospect, felt worse for me than smoking. Very dense vapour. I was inhaling it without any regard for the state of my lungs because I had convinced myself it was harmless.

Quit tobacco (and haven't had a single puff since) when the condition was diagnosed over 4.5 years ago. Finally quit vaping altogether in August after a brief relapse.

Not going to do either again.
 
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The source was dubious. Black market from people I don't trust. I wouldn't be surprised if they sprayed it... And yes I hit the vape very, very hard. As hard as my body could withstand basically. Sometimes had coughing fits that lasted 5-10 minutes.
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So the source could as you said contain contaminants. This is another issue that could be resolved by legalisation and regulation of production very much in the same way as food hygeine works, that way places used for growing can be inspected and tested as well as obvious signs of hazards such as Mold/fungus or growing directly under an asbestos roof/ceiling for example.
As for vaping technique , the way you describe is how i see so many beginners do it and they sit there coughing for a long time, i was only a victim of this right at the start of vaping (ive been vaping on and off for over 9 years now but this includes extended breaks between of weeks months or even a few years) Its not really normal to sit there coughing like that its a sign your lungs are very irritated, most times when i vape i dont usually cough at all.
Sorry to hear you experienced this though
 
Yeah I'm not a beginner. I am aware how to vape gently. It's not rocket science. I just consumed weed (and alcohol and other drugs) with utter disregard for my health.

I'm not trying to pretend to be sensible. Just trying to warn people of potential harm.

It doesn't seem like we disagree about anything.
 
For a long time I have voiced my concern towards the flavourings used in vape fluid. Many are food flavourings never intended to reach the temperatures that a vape produces. The sheer difference between those temperatures is a concern,. Anywhere from 100–250°C which I'm sure a non-expert will consider very dubious. Are they buying their nicotine from Sigma-Aldrich or from a tobacco farmer whose crop was damaged but who can still sell the nicotine left in the damaged material? We don't know.

There is almost no legislation protecting users BUT it seems the UK sellers are careful to self-regulate as the better job they do, the lee heavy handed UK criminal law will be towards their industry. They aren't angels, but they aren't stupid and if their is an unexpected hotspot - they WILL find out who is selling/
So while most research suggests that vaping is 95-98% safer, it's not cancer but lung damage or illnesses that affect the lungs that vapers are most as risk of.

I did look at the structure of nicotine with the idea of making something longer acting or more potent. The problem is that as soon as you alter nicotine slightly, it becomes less selective and the duration goes RIGHT up. I would be surprised if people were not working on something much stronger than nicotine that they can water down and sell for 20 times the price.... so expect deaths there.

So sorry to hear about your dad. I've had to advocate for 3 people who were in the midst of end-stage cancer, in a huge amount of distress and pain. I asked for them to increase analgesia, their excuse was that it might kill the patient. Since the patients had weeks left that they did not want,

I demanded to see the registrar and reminded him that diamorphine (heroin) is not just for analgesia, but is also specifically used to lower fear and anxiety and IF thee patients, died exactly who was going to look at the list of mediation? Not me and since it was cancer, no coroner.

SO they all got 30mg of diamorphine TID. Still not enough but it meant that for 12 hours a day they were content. Not happy, but not in fear. This isn't virtue signalling. If you end up as advocate (not a fun job but might be easier on our mum) then you CAN start demanding what the US terms 'DLRs' i.e. drug of last resort.

I mean, what harm can it do to them? You are giving them back days of quality.

Sorry if you have already thrashed this out, but I'm glad I sorted it out. Too many people are scared off by doctors... and yet the doctor is supposed to work for you, right?
 
I’ve got a Volcano Hybrid. I use it at 370F or less for flower and 420F for dry sift hash. Theres a lot of material left over for the ABV pile.

I go through a lot of flower b.c I don’t care about efficiency or saving. One nice big, good tasting Volcano bag out of ~0.33g flower. Occasionally a 2nd bag from 1 filling chamberfull of flower..

Running vapor through some kind of water filtration is a good option for some.

Tom
 
Thomas Davie said:
I’ve got a Volcano Hybrid. I use it at 370F or less for flower and 420F for dry sift hash. Theres a lot of material left over for the ABV pile.

I go through a lot of flower b.c I don’t care about efficiency or saving. One nice big, good tasting Volcano bag out of ~0.33g flower. Occasionally a 2nd bag from 1 filling chamberfull of flower..

Running vapor through some kind of water filtration is a good option for some.

Tom
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Tom as far as i am aware, water filtration offers Zero filtration of VOC's or chemicals, it does however offer excellent particle filtration but i find it steals a lot of the flavour
 
soapdropper said:
As much as this was a hard thing for me to hear, I've been vaping thc since I've been using it to kick my oxy habit I had for years. The only thing I am worried about is if the vape smoke may have some effect on possible cancer cells I may develop in my future but I really don't know enough so wanted to start a discussion. Does anyone know anything regarding vaping thc and cancer. My father also told me this father had prostate, lung, and throat caner. My Dad does like to exaggerate so I'm not entirely sure but it's all hitting me really hard, if anything just leave me something to read, thank you
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Send him this documentary:


And then this: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Rick-Simpson-Oil
Here is Rick's website: http://phoenixtears.ca/faq-about-rso/

VERY IMPORTANT: THC alone doesn't cure from cancer. For THC to express its entire potential the FULL SPECTRUM of cannabinoids needs to be ingested in a high enough concentration. I wish your father all the best!
 
Sad to hear such things😔😔😔.My all gone because of it.....probably it would catch me too
 
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