Meth Meth Primer: Post Your Meth Tips Hints & Hacks Here

[romans_ghost]

So, a trick i use for dosing on it thats not with injection, i drink my meth usually. Its important to learn what concentration works best for you, and to supplement with clean water to drink throughout dosing as well, helps to prevent too much sores from showing up.
But i find this method keeps me level all day long, and its super discreet, i can use anywhere and no one has ever found out, even when ive been taken into hospital or other places.

I would say, if youre going to be using to an extreme, alternate ways you consume obviously, but this is just one way ive managed to use under the radar, in an even way. Makes my substance go further, and if i add just the right amount to water it just tastes like mineral water, added to citrus soda pop isnt ideal for me personally, but to each their own.

 

[Bowl𝔐𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰areяєαℓ]

Carefully knock out and remove the filament section of an incandescent bulb. Rinse out the inside of the bulb with water thoroughly. Use a straw to pull in the vapor from the opening in the bulb. The glass is made to withstand heat so this works quite well in a pinch but is no substitute for thin-blown sodium borosilicate glass.

Salt will work better then

 

[unodelacosa]

Salt will work better then

True. I was aiming for brevity, but yeah I like to make a supersaturated solution of salt water. Works really well to scrub the inside of the bulb. Thanks for the tip; nice one!

 

[Bowl𝔐𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰areяєαℓ]

True. I was aiming for brevity, but yeah I like to make a supersaturated solution of salt water. Works really well to scrub the inside of the bulb. Thanks for the tip; nice one!

Using slat and then the water if you want to but not necessarily the best idea but sure water will be fine

 

[YoursIsAnArduousLove]

No I'm not. I'm trying to point out that you need to keep reading and researching… takes more than an hour anyway. Forgive me if I come off dismissive or like I'm treating you dumb. Not at all my intention.


Sorry, I disagree with you. If one can read, one can learn chemistry. Motivation, drive, and desire are all needed here.

Also you make it sound complicated talking about "knowledge of sublimation points, chemical washes", etc. It's not arcane knowledge & wizardry, this stuff, is all I'm saying. Hear me out…

• For the "guest readers" ☞ sublimation is when something changes phase from solid to gas w/o becoming liquid first.
• Iodine does this, DMT does this, and so does MSM.
• If you'd like to know more, here's Wikipedia on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(phase_transition).
• Check out the link on that page to the chemistry apparatus called a "cold finger".

Let's say you make a bolognese sauce from a red wine reduction. Flavor-wise, is this not an extraction? Boiling is essentially refluxing, and cooking spaghetti involves boiling/refluxing, filtration, washing, oftentimes the Maillard reaction, etc. I could even write it out in organic chem lab notation, like,

To a 3L vessel appropriate for a steam bath, there was added 1,100mL of dihydrogen monoxide, and this was rapidly brought to a boil. Then, 500 g of spaghetti noodles were added to the mixture over the course of 30 seconds with stirring. The mixture was returned to boil and allowed to reflux for 7 minutes. The heat was cut and the solution allowed to cool for another minute or so before being strained through a mesh filter, the dihydrogen monoxide discarded, and a few mL of olive oil added to the noodles to improve internoodle lubricity… ​

​

… you know; that kinda shit.

Back in the days of The Hive, people were quick to reply to things with a "UTFSE"… that was a little rude, if effective.

Look, if you walk into a room and someone says, "hey, turn on the light, please", you don't have to be able to describe in full detail every nuanced thing that goes into making electricity work from the power company to the room you're in just to turn on the lights, ya know? All you need to know is: flip the switch. Then, if you feel like reading all about how power and electricity work, fine, use the light to read a book about it or whatever, but the point is: flip switches in the meantime and commit yourself to subconscious competency.

1. That's the entire reason I'm on these threads – to spread awareness bc it's overall a goal of mine to help society end the war on drugs through decriminalization and eventually full legalization.
2. I think the word you meant there was “banal”, not “benign”, but either way I took your meaning and I feel like you're reading me wrong here.
3. All I'm pointing out is: this info can be acquired simply by searching. Try it out.

Well said and IMO, you could have been much more blunt and no body would have said anything. I appreciate your restraint. People forget, we’ve all frikin been there. Currently getting my bachelors in biochemistry, in my senior year, but also my 6th. I’m 40, got married, and had a beautiful baby girl right in the middle of that. Oh, and she was born 7/13/20. 6 months after I get a job in hospice, meaning January. Can you remember what happened in March? It’s a little fuzzy to me now but something happened, I know that. Keep up your zen like patience

Sonnettales

 

[Bowl𝔐𝔬𝔫𝔰𝔱𝔢𝔯𝔰areяєαℓ]

Does anyone have any idea what it is that they put in ice these days? It’s crazy all you seem to get is this odd shaky crap at the bottom of the bag that if you’re not up and moving around it will cause you to start nodding out I think that it must have fentanyl or some type of opiate in it cause it’s almost like a speedball affect and it doesn’t matter how many different sources I go to it seems like I get the same inferior product almost makes SWIM want to get a box and get out the supply’s and shake it something SWIM had done before but I’m telling you the prison sentences for that are worse then child rape. But the good old washing it seems to never work. A couple I know first hand is blowing thru nearly a half oz a week. We sleep every night and eat well too BTW every now and then SWIM might come across afew nice shards and they might party for few days. But anyways is this a local problem I’m in NC and Florida
Living half the time in each place. So fire away who got the

 

[Junglist_movement]

I smoke with the flame under the bowl not touching. I generally pack into the centre and roll my wrists and fingers to move The pipe back and forth onto the flame. If packed to the right of centre a quick wrist flick and being on a fair bit of gear generates the movement of vapour round the bowl too, so it’s just moving the flame back and forth on the bowl and off the bowl (but not touching). To reduce waste and create a bit of an extra toke I place my finger over the carborator, lifting up and down, while not toking. Where can I buy a new pipe in Adelaide?

 

[Atomic_Decay]

. Where can I buy a new pipe in Adelaide?

It is illegal to possess, or sell meth pipes in in South Australia). They fall into the category of ‘Drug Parphanalia. The penalty for selling or bartering one is $10,000 or 2 years jail.

So this would be a ‘sourcing’ question we cannot answer on BL.

The SA laws are similar to those in NSW. And since all this stuff is imported it violates all kinds serious Federal laws as well. Which is curious because there are a dozen clearnet tobacconists with ABN’s and Australian bank accounts supplying every bit meth smoking glassware you could imagine. Australia-wide by Express Post overnight. From warehouses in several Sydney suburbs.

 

[unodelacosa]

Does anyone have any idea what it is that they put in ice these days?

Typically they put n-isopropylbenzylamine (colloquially known as "n-iso") in meth "these days" (for years now though) because it easily co-crystallizes with meth and is difficult to distinguish from meth visually.

[EDIT: In fact I'm mostly wrong on this fact. N-iso is rarely found in meth, mostly due to its high cost compared to just producing meth from p-2-p and resolving the stereoisomer issue with tartaric acid. My bad, folks!]

It won't be washed away during an acid/base extraction b/c like meth it too has a Nitrogen-bearing amine group. It also boils near the same temps as meth, making even fractional distillation unfeasible for separation. There are some solvent property differences that can maybe be exploited, and liquid chromatography would be in order for one to separate these substances.

It’s crazy all you seem to get is this odd shaky crap at the bottom of the bag that if you’re not up and moving around it will cause you to start nodding out I think that it must have fentanyl or some type of opiate in it cause it’s almost like a speedball affect

I know what you mean, but there could be several different reasons for this, all of which are more plausible than someone laced meth with an opioid. Doesn't make sense. Meth users are not looking for an opioid high. One thing though is that n-iso tends to make users drowsy. It's also hard to rule out your own dopamine downregulation. What I see a lot of these days is paranoia that all the drugs and Halloween candy are laced with fentanyl. While this is true of a good portion of fake/counterfeit pharmaceutical products in the U.S. – like the M30 "dirty thirties" – ppl are going overboard thinking shit like cocaine, meth, MDMA and/or psychedelics are all compromised by the unwanted opioid, and in potentially deadly amounts, too.

and it doesn’t matter how many different sources I go to it seems like I get the same inferior product almost makes SWIM want to get a box and get out the supply’s and shake it something SWIM had done before

Yeah I know what you mean. Both the Nagai (RP/I/E) and the Birch/S&B routes I did a couple decades ago produced some of the best gear, I swear. But I'm not sure if it only seemed that way because I was younger and it was novel then, or perhaps it was genuinely better for whatever reason.

but I’m telling you the prison sentences for that are worse then child rape.

Brother, you are not lying there. Shit is crazy. Seriously, especially with the feds, and particularly with a prior. The real "crime" is entirely within those statutes. How you gonna have a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for a mere possession of ≥5 g methamphetamine? At 50 g (< 2 zips) this mandatory minimum doubles to 20 yrs, arbitrarily. In the U.S. this is an 8th Amendment violation as it subjects someone to cruel and unusual punishment, but this would require challenging the law in court, going through any and all appeals and then be selected by the Supreme Court for review and subsequently have the Court side with the argument that it violates the 8th Amendment in the Bill of Rights…

But the good old washing it seems to never work. A couple I know first hand is blowing thru nearly a half oz a week. We sleep every night and eat well too BTW every now and then SWIM might come across afew nice shards and they might party for few days. But anyways is this a local problem I’m in NC and Florida
Living half the time in each place. So fire away who got the

The problem seems widespread. A lot of users out there wouldn't know good gear if it slapped them in the face, but then again they may have never encountered it either. Hard to say because some of the gear seems better than other batches these days. I understand the sources vary between Mexican Superlab shards and product that comes from N. Korea and Myanmar, where it's production is subsidized on the state level. And yet still there are domestic producers of small batch shards. Depending on who handles it, it may or may not be cut to shit, but it's worth knowing that there's some variety on the market still. Good luck.

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Typically they put n-isopropylbenzylamine (colloquially known as "n-iso") in meth “these days"

No. They do not. Whomever “they are”. Widespread n-iso contamination of methamphetamine is not a thing.

Erowid: N-iso meth is not a real thing.

https://www.erowid.org/columns/crew/2022/08/drugsdata-meth-and-the-n-iso-boogeyman/ So some people got around to doing what they should have done and looked into what a GCMS sees given mixtures of N-iso and meth. Turns out the two seperate completely on GC, have different mass spectra, and...

bluelight.org

We have discussed this for years here across multiple threads. The evidence has been reviewed and without new evidence we cannot accept any more speculation or hypthotheticL or even theoretically possible claims like this to be posted as fact.

Please don’t further pursue the question of n-iso in this thread . This is not censorship. There are still several threads in different sub-forums open to this topic.

General claims about n-iso can be found in this thread:

Stimulants - Claims regarding meth and n-iso: prevalence, detection, cleaning.

BDD Moderator Note: The large-scale contamination of methamphetamine supplies with the cutting agent n-isopropylbenzylamine seems unlikely on the available evidence presented across multiple threads on Bluelight. However, it cannot be denied that there have been a number of verified cases of...

bluelight.org

Thanks

 

[unodelacosa]

No. They do not. Whomever “they are”. Widespread n-iso contamination of methamphetamine is not a thing.

EDIT: I appreciate the info. I definitely disagree and consider it a real shame you're closed off to discussion on the matter. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[JAGattack14]

So vaping or "smoking' meth can be more manageable but it is less bioavailable and wears off fast, IV can be much too much, hot rails suck, honestly if you are new and have very little tolerance your best bet is oral dosing with capsules. Regardless of any misinformation the meth now is more potent than ever and I've been around in the US and Mexico. After years of heavy use I took a long break and now I can take around 100mg in a capsule and get the same rush as shooting up it just take longer to happen. Also with oral dosing you only need to dose once a day and that's if you are a daily user. This also makes it very affordable. 28,000mg makes a lot of capsules. Going price for an ounce [MOD EDIT: no price discussion please]

 

[TheFrogEffect]

So vaping or "smoking' meth can be more manageable but it is less bioavailable and wears off fast, IV can be much too much, hot rails suck, honestly if you are new and have very little tolerance your best bet is oral dosing with capsules. Regardless of any misinformation the meth now is more potent than ever and I've been around in the US and Mexico. After years of heavy use I took a long break and now I can take around 100mg in a capsule and get the same rush as shooting up it just take longer to happen. Also with oral dosing you only need to dose once a day and that's if you are a daily user. This also makes it very affordable. 28,000mg makes a lot of capsules. Going price for an ounce in the US is around 350.

Why do you say hotrails suck? When done right, they get me extremely spun and thw highs seem to last longer than just smoking. I weigh out .2 to .25, same as I would load in a bowl, crush that up under a dollar bill and then chop it up with a credit card until it's as fine a powder as I can get it. I get like 8 lines worth of rails and they last me a day to a day and a half. (Tbh I could probably just do 2 lines a day and be good but, like smoking, they give me that same impulsive desire to keep doing more even if I'm high as a kite.)

The trick with actually getting somewhere doing hotrails is to have an L shaped glass stem, a long tube attached to it (i use a bendy straw from a cup thats about 1 foot long), and a big butane torch - not just a torch lighter. Some people use propane torches but it's easy to fuck up your stem with one of those. I use stems from pipes that I have dropped and broken and blast them with a butane torch and bend them myself.

to do the rails i heat up the bend and the shorter part of the L as that's what I put down to inhale the rail. Let it glow red, then allow it to cool down so it is no longer glowing, then wait a few seconds longer - 5 or so, and then do the rail. Vaporizes perfectly, you shouldn't get any powder in your nose so it doesn't burn, and you'll get a really good high going on one or two lines.

As for meth being more potent than ever... eh, not really. I've had some really great bags these last two years, no doubt, but nothing that's kept me up for 5 days until I'm hallucinating and hearing things.

 

[Atomic_Decay]

Why do you say hotrails suck? When done right, they get me extremely spun and thw highs seem to last longer than just smoking. I weigh out .2 to .25, same as I would load in a bowl, crush that up under a dollar bill and then chop it up with a credit card until it's as fine a powder as I can get it. I get like 8 lines worth of rails and they last me a day to a day and a half. (Tbh I could probably just do 2 lines a day and be good but, like smoking, they give me that same impulsive desire to keep doing more even if I'm high as a kite.)

The trick with actually getting somewhere doing hotrails is to have an L shaped glass stem, a long tube attached to it (i use a bendy straw from a cup thats about 1 foot long), and a big butane torch - not just a torch lighter. Some people use propane torches but it's easy to fuck up your stem with one of those. I use stems from pipes that I drop and blast them with a butane torch and bend them myself.

to do the rails i heat up the bend and the shorter part of the L as that's what I put down to inhale the rail. Let it glow red, then allow it to cool down so it is no longer glowing, then wait a few seconds longer - 5 or so, and then do the rail. Vaporizes perfectly, you shouldn't get any powder in your nose so it doesn't burn, and you'll get a really good high going on one or two lines.

As for meth being more potent than ever... eh, not really. I've had some really great bags these last two years, no doubt, but nothing that's kept me up for 5 days until I'm hallucinating and hearing things.

That is a good overview of hot-railing. For those considering hotrailing this link is to what is probably the most comprehensive yet concise how-to/harm reduction guide there is. Anything I’d add I leaned from this document and would merely be paraphrasing so might as will give you the original:

Hot Rails - English

In this resource, we talk about what are hot rails, why do them, how to do them, and general harm reduction tips about hot rails.

issuu.com

Nextdistro is a highly reputable harm reduction organisation in the US. If you are an IV drug use in the US, especially with opiates, you should take a look at their website and see what they have to offer you (from needles to narcan potentially).

 

[JAGattack14]

Why do you say hotrails suck? When done right, they get me extremely spun and thw highs seem to last longer than just smoking. I weigh out .2 to .25, same as I would load in a bowl, crush that up under a dollar bill and then chop it up with a credit card until it's as fine a powder as I can get it. I get like 8 lines worth of rails and they last me a day to a day and a half. (Tbh I could probably just do 2 lines a day and be good but, like smoking, they give me that same impulsive desire to keep doing more even if I'm high as a kite.)

The trick with actually getting somewhere doing hotrails is to have an L shaped glass stem, a long tube attached to it (i use a bendy straw from a cup thats about 1 foot long), and a big butane torch - not just a torch lighter. Some people use propane torches but it's easy to fuck up your stem with one of those. I use stems from pipes that I have dropped and broken and blast them with a butane torch and bend them myself.

to do the rails i heat up the bend and the shorter part of the L as that's what I put down to inhale the rail. Let it glow red, then allow it to cool down so it is no longer glowing, then wait a few seconds longer - 5 or so, and then do the rail. Vaporizes perfectly, you shouldn't get any powder in your nose so it doesn't burn, and you'll get a really good high going on one or two lines.

As for meth being more potent than ever... eh, not really. I've had some really great bags these last two years, no doubt, but nothing that's kept me up for 5 days until I'm hallucinating and hearing things.

 

[JAGattack14]

Well I have family in Mexico and I've lived all over the US and had pseudoephedrine dope and now this stuff and my new supply is consistently the strongest I've ever had by far. Eating capsules literally hits me harder than shooting use too. I took a two year break though too

 

[RoBoInSlowMo]

People who use stimulants underestimate how helpful common sleep aids/depressants can be. A lot of the negative consequences of abusing stimulants come from the lifestyle of using these drugs, not even just the commonly known & discussed side effects of the given compound. What do I mean by this? Well, the combination of not eating right, not hydrating properly, not sleeping nearly enough, your cardiovascular system constantly under more stress than any healthy individual etc. really adds up quickly. For these reasons, the best way a person can reduce harm with stimulants imo is avoiding binges/frequent use, and limiting themselves to certain amount a set time frame. That's where a depressant or sleep aid can come in, when you hit that time, you can take your sleep aid or choice and break the cycle of re-dosing and speeding your balls off. Out of every class of drugs I ever used, nothing made me compulsively re-dose and desire that next dose more than stims. Not even close.

 

[broseph]

Clean your pipe with chic magic eraser. This stuff is literally magic. Wet it and one wipe and that section is brand new. It's the safest way to clean a pipe in terms of it not breaking and is far more effective than anything else by far!

Rust stain remover. Comes in a copper bottle. You can only get it in hardware stores. Make sure it’s rust STAIN remover. It will prolong your glassware 10x. The stuff is amazing. You can take a black stained bowl. Rinse it through and it literally wipes away the black in flakes. I’ve never seen anything like it. No more cleaning with high temps which makes your glass thin and brittle. I will post pics when I get back home.

 

[Boku_]

For a meth come down ( I know on meth you kinda of come off meth and it wears off then crash more than come down) is there any benefit to taking Ibuprofen or Paracetamol tablets 12 to 24 hours after your last dose of meth? Is it bad for any reason to do this?

 

[unodelacosa]

For a meth come down ( I know on meth you kinda of come off meth and it wears off then crash more than come down) is there any benefit to taking Ibuprofen or Paracetamol tablets 12 to 24 hours after your last dose of meth? Is it bad for any reason to do this?

No, not that I'm aware of, anyway. Ibuprofen or Naproxen are both good to bring down swelling and for pain relief. Meanwhile Paracetamol / Tylenol is I guess a pain reliever… Acetylsalicylic acid might be more effective provided you're older then ~23-yrs. old (Rhys Syndrome risk otherwise; look it up).

Allow me to share with you my post-stimulant / post-MDMA routine… note: I don't always have all of these vitamins on deck, but this is the gist anyway:

Vitamin Supplement Routine

• Multi-vitamin (preferably w/ food)
• 5-HTP 100mg (it’s the precursor to serotonin)
• Fish oil (A and D)
• Magnesium, 400 mg.
  • Magnesium Chelate tabs = better bioavailability
  • Prevents involuntary muscle tension, breakdown, & stress on kidneys
• Glucosamine (regulates a healthy synovia - joint fluids)
• CoQ-10 (anti-oxidant w/ long half life to elim.)
• Alpha lipoic acid, anti oxidant. (active in both water & lipids, it enters all nerve cells & protects them from oxidation)
• Taurine (amino acid, very effective anti oxidant)
• L-arginine 1000mg (amino acid, prevents vasoconstriction / promotes blood flow)
• L-theanine 1000mg (amino acid, lowers tolerance)
• 1 flat spoon baking soda + two Tums
• OR replace the baking soda with Alka Seltzer GOLD
  • NOTE: this is to raise renal pH and increase drug bioavailability
• 400 - 4000 mg Piracetam, optional (may potentiate)
• L-carnitine
• Selenium/vitamin E
• 100mg Milk Thistle - detoxifying effect on liver
• Ibuprofen 200 mg
• Evian water, it has alkaline pH and has a high content of minerals

Hope that helps! Live well, friends – life is short enough without dying young.