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Will Someone Please Explain this Rampant Hateful Aggressive “Gnostic Christianity” to Me?

I was living in Egypt in 1978 or so for 6 months on a work visa. There I met a lot of good people, some of whom were Coptic Christian Adepts. The religion itself is quite respectable and sane.

The material was written during the early Christian era. Since some of the material is Old Testament books re-written at least 2500 years after the original it would suggest that these are different interpretations of the Hebrew texts that were adapted to local mysteries at best.

Here's a link to material directly from the Gnostic Web site: Gnostic Web Site
 
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Cheshire_Kat said:
I'm surprised that as a "Gnostic" you don't know that there is a time for everything:

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to sow, a time to harvest
A time to work, a time to rest
A time for war, a time for peace

The wise do what is appropriate to do at that time, they don't try to apply one principle to all times or circumstances.
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Sure they do.

The wise are always selfish and you are right that there are few objective moral tenets.

Good moral tenets should be applied all the time if possible.

Regards
DL
 
Foreigner said:
Um... but you're the one who brought up literacy.



That's all I was responding to.

Now you're saying religious literacy has nothing to do with it. So, which is it?



What do you mean by worthy?

Also, Christianity is not the only religion or philosophy that thinks in supernatural terms. What evidence do you have that supernatural thinking is a result of mental deficits and not the result of some kind of genuine process of inquiry? Are you suggesting that all supernatural thinking is because of religion exclusively, and can never be a result of personal inductive reasoning?

I'd really appreciate it if you answered these questions, and please do so without being insulting.
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I am not wasting my time on the definitions of words.

Having faith without facts is a foolish way to think.

Lets chat about your supernatural delusions and I will match yours with mine and we will have a really good discussion.

Right?

Comparing fantasies might have some merit but if you cannot apply what is gleaned to reality, it is worthless.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Just the fact that we fight homophobia and misogyny from inside the Christian fold, should have all moral people giving us points for doing more than most other religions.

Regards
DL
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I give you credit there. Thanks for sticking up for people.
People giving me shit in middle school & high school for being gay completely ruined my ability to graduate.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I am not wasting my time on the definitions of words.

Having faith without facts is a foolish way to think.

Lets chat about your supernatural delusions and I will match yours with mine and we will have a really good discussion.

Right?

Comparing fantasies might have some merit but if you cannot apply what is gleaned to reality, it is worthless.

Regards
DL
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You call other religions illiterate and then renege on describing what that means, and then won't elaborate on anything else when asked.

So basically you are saying a whole lot of nothing with a sprinkle of offensiveness. Talk about ineffective.

It seems like your position is indefensible.
 
@Gnostic Bishop “Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil and sin is all human generated and in this sense, I agree with Christians, but for completely different reasons. Evil is mankind’s responsibility and not some imaginary God’s. Free will is something that can only be taken. Free will cannot be given not even by a God unless it has been forcibly withheld.”
I don’t see how you can consider yourself any form of Christian when you don’t even believe in god simply because you follow some of Jesus’ teachings. It seems silly to me and almost like you just want to be a part of something different. Also I think Christianity is a horrible religion, so why you wouldn’t flat out reject it instead of claiming they’re missing the point with literal interpretation and that you have the better interpretation is baffling to me.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
True.

But remember who wrote the history you have learned. The murderers.

Now the Gnostic Gospels shows the beauty of our universalist ideology.

It was and still is the precursor of what I see as Laïcité.

Just the fact that we fight homophobia and misogyny from inside the Christian fold, should have all moral people giving us points for doing more than most other religions.

Regards
DL
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It is a great thing to fight homophobia and misogyny. However, to do it within the context of Christianity is a contradiction and apologism. They are both built into Christianity in the laws of the Old Testament which Jesus supposedly said he didn’t cone to do away with, but to fulfill. So the more noble and accurate thing to do is to condemn the religion itself for its horrible morals instead of trying to claim that those that actually follow it are interpreting it wrong which is total apologist bullshit. Christianity and Islam need to be condemned and called out for what they are, not apologized for or “reformed”.
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I am not wasting my time on the definitions of words.

Having faith without facts is a foolish way to think.

Lets chat about your supernatural delusions and I will match yours with mine and we will have a really good discussion.

Right?

Comparing fantasies might have some merit but if you cannot apply what is gleaned to reality, it is worthless.

Regards
DL
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Does sensory data qualify at all for factual information?
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If you relative sane person sensory input must give you reasonable info about world around you and it became factual info about you.....if i understood properly the question,cause many times i don't.....in the same time i......feel,that what you see around you is not all.There are things,that you cannot detect with your five sences....that's why people talk about six sence
 
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Thinking about the relationship between Father and Son and the Kingdom of Heaven, what comes to my mind is the concept of "Personhood" (which we all share).

Add the ethic of reciprocity with the concept of personhood and....what?

I don't know but they seem complimentary and intertwined.
 
The wording for the Golden Rule I use is either do unto yourself and others as you would have done unto you, or, Jesus saying "Love yourselves and each other as I loved you". I use the word self to remind me to lighten up and treat myself more gently on the inside and outside. It's a work in progress.
 
The Axe said:
Golden Rule
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Sometimes it sucks and ya gotta flip the switch on a mf cause they dont respond to love.
Who of you has a sword?
One is enough....

Give em love til they show they dont want it. Just me.
 
RDP89 said:
It is a great thing to fight homophobia and misogyny. However, to do it within the context of Christianity is a contradiction and apologism. They are both built into Christianity in the laws of the Old Testament which Jesus supposedly said he didn’t cone to do away with, but to fulfill. So the more noble and accurate thing to do is to condemn the religion itself for its horrible morals instead of trying to claim that those that actually follow it are interpreting it wrong which is total apologist bullshit. Christianity and Islam need to be condemned and called out for what they are, not apologized for or “reformed”.
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I disagree, I have a blood relative whose gay and trans has two wonderful happy well balanced kids who have children of their own and he is one of the hardest of hardcore Christians I know. Don't ask me how he did it its a very long story.
 
The Axe said:
I disagree, I have a blood relative whose gay and trans has two wonderful happy well balanced kids who have children of their own and he is one of the hardest of hardcore Christians I know. Don't ask me how he did it its a very long story.
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Okay, but that isn’t evidence that I am wrong, simply that he ignores the parts of the bible he doesn’t like and/or makes excuses for them or very liberal interpretations of them.
 
I haven't read the thread but Gnosticism is just Christian mysticism. The same as Kabbalism is Jewish mysticism and Sufism is Islamic mysticism. How it became rampant and hateful, I don't know, but nothing surprises me.
 
Hey AbbeyLee. I have read Gnostic Christian material and it is not hateful, that's just a little bit extra that Gnostic Bishop likes to add.

I've listed sources to their material in this thread, but I'll list it again just in case you want to read it with your own eyes.

Gnostic Web Site
 
RDP89 said:
Okay, but that isn’t evidence that I am wrong, simply that he ignores the parts of the bible he doesn’t like and/or makes excuses for them or very liberal interpretations of them.
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Maybe he takes what he needs and leaves the rest.
 
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