Salvia... pure hell... worse than DXM and deliriants...

[Lord]

I tried salvia when I was 15, and it was a light drug that could produce strong effects. My first salvia high was enjoyable and a nice upgrade from the hallucinogenic experience of weed. the onset was of some pink icicles falling, a snow and winter-like feel to it. I fell faster and faster and everything became short, seeing it all compress from above. Then everything was pink and I couldn't really see.

That was 10x. I've taken DXM at up to 1200mg in one hour or so and who knows how much in a day. Never done PCP, ketamine or LSD.
I took 450mg when I was younger and it was a pretty difficult experience, and 1200mg was really interesting but not that bad.
At this time DXM, Diphenhydramine and Dimenhydrinate were worse than salvia.

A few months later I tried 20x and 30x, and experienced possibly the worst trauma and suffering of my life. It was like being ripped apart and travelling through a wormhole the wrong way. I've had a few trips that were about things becoming alive and toying with me for a few minutes. This is not what I'm talking about. The trips that come on in an instant and tear me to shreds are what I mean. Salvia was the worst (but in some sense almost the best as well) drug I ever took. It desynchronized my reality into insanity and 10 years after my last trip, out of about 40 experiences, am I starting to recover the right way. Sure other drugs have affected me, but I seem to be alright within a year or two, if I stop using them.

Does anyone else find the Salvia experience to be a difficult one and possibly in a league of its own, and that it would take an eternity to recover from? I'm still in pieces deep down, just starting to recover the right way.

Thanks.

 

[dragonix]

Holy Shenandoah never had a breakthrough trip but the one time I had pins and needles the feeling in your skin the anesthesia doctors in the hospital would induce and very disturbing body contortion sensations like being deformed and twisted sitting down in a comfortable armchair with my mate Drew in my parents basement in high school that scared the daylights out of me and it was unpleasant feeling so never took a hit that strong ever again and the few people out of the many who use Sally D that find it enjoyable aren't ever selling me on it I cannot unread the nightmare experiences even in Mexico where you could use it with a shaman in the jungle it grows wild in I might not come out of that jungle lol.

In ritual magick and shamanism I believe Sally is pure divination.

I can see how some people don't get stuck on heaven nor hell with it and somehow find it beneficial but they feel few and far between to me given I never met one person in person who enjoyed this. Was it Humphrey Bowfart who said to fall in hell or soar angelic you need a pinch of psychedelic?

Wait no Brian Smith dude the biggest head or one of them in high school late nineties early 2000s they were on a ton of pot though said he tripped balls and loved it taking bong loads of this

Surely I would agree if someone asked me is Divinorum a worthy ally in neo shamanistic use? Heck yas but a recreational drug? Good luck Chuck!

Cannot say everything I want to here in detail of course but I will say this never felt like it was putting me at real risk physically at least but DXM had me thinking I might die multiple times lol I also puked and got sick bad perhaps it was the inactive cough medicine ingredients rather than the drug Idk wasnt even a big dose the last time I dragged myself to the ER on it safe in moderation and used with discretion

I don't think deliriants are any less frightening than this whatsoever hence never taken one

Sry silly high and bad with names that was shitty if me to misquote Oswald Humphrey Osprey?

Best wishes recovering right

 

[plumbus-nine]

I overdosed on strong extract as an adolescent and can emphasize to the wormhole travelling analogue but for me it was just a shock which lasted a few hours - maybe I was just lucky. More than 10 years later I bought some lighter extract and carefully smoked a little - it was intense, and somehow felt like it could have the potential for bad/lasting effects indeed. At this time I had some residual symptoms of psychosis and these were amplified but more or less only for the duration of the drug.

DXM + salvia must be one hell of a hellride specially if one mixes some DPH in.

Wish you best for recovering of course! Sorry that I can't provide more input.

 

[polarthedog]

I tried salvia when I was 15, and it was a light drug that could produce strong effects. My first salvia high was enjoyable and a nice upgrade from the hallucinogenic experience of weed. the onset was of some pink icicles falling, a snow and winter-like feel to it. I fell faster and faster and everything became short, seeing it all compress from above. Then everything was pink and I couldn't really see.

That was 10x. I've taken DXM at up to 1200mg in one hour or so and who knows how much in a day. Never done PCP, ketamine or LSD.
I took 450mg when I was younger and it was a pretty difficult experience, and 1200mg was really interesting but not that bad.
At this time DXM, Diphenhydramine and Dimenhydrinate were worse than salvia.

A few months later I tried 20x and 30x, and experienced possibly the worst trauma and suffering of my life. It was like being ripped apart and travelling through a wormhole the wrong way. I've had a few trips that were about things becoming alive and toying with me for a few minutes. This is not what I'm talking about. The trips that come on in an instant and tear me to shreds are what I mean. Salvia was the worst (but in some sense almost the best as well) drug I ever took. It desynchronized my reality into insanity and 10 years after my last trip, out of about 40 experiences, am I starting to recover the right way. Sure other drugs have affected me, but I seem to be alright within a year or two, if I stop using them.

Does anyone else find the Salvia experience to be a difficult one and possibly in a league of its own, and that it would take an eternity to recover from? I'm still in pieces deep down, just starting to recover the right way.

Thanks.

I had ptsd for four years from taking two hits of 50x, I thought I had died and gone to hell. At the time I didn’t understand what the word tripping means, I 5ought it meant get really high, so I didn’t realize what was happening, And I was there for atleast half an eternity.

Personally though, i love tripping, I regularly mix psychedelics and dxm and weed together.

 

[Kaleida]

Does anyone else find the Salvia experience to be a difficult one and possibly in a league of its own, and that it would take an eternity to recover from?

Yes, but I still prefer it to DXM and deliriants.

Salvia is pharmacologically unique from all other commonly used hallucinogens and works through the functional pathway that seems to be associated with contextual aversion and traumatic stress and dissociation. What you experienced is what is assumed to be the direct manifestation of that. Being ripped apart is only one of the many lovely things that can happen to you.

I think salvia reveals something very crucial about the underlying operational language of the brain. I've gotten to the point of thinking of certain types of experiences as being sort of like "biological opcodes" that probably just happened to evolve through convenience until they turned into an entire assembly language of consciousness and remain as special operations that still allow consciousness to be altered at the more basic level if one manages to access them again. This biological operational language as I see it is not an easy one to understand, though if there's one thing I feel fairly confident of, it's that it is a language of pain.

Salvia.

DXM + salvia must be one hell of a hellride

One of my easiest salvia trips ever, actually. I usually forget it even happened because it was so smooth and dissociated. I mostly watched a colossal female entity staring from beyond the top view of the planet to a backdrop of the void in mostly blue and black colors.

I had ptsd for four years from taking two hits of 50x, I thought I had died and gone to hell. At the time I didn’t understand what the word tripping means, I 5ought it meant get really high, so I didn’t realize what was happening, And I was there for atleast half an eternity.

Admittedly not a great headspace to start from but it seems common for even the more experienced to forget what's happening and think it's real at that level of experience.

 

[polarthedog]

Yes, but I still prefer it to DXM and deliriants.

Salvia is pharmacologically unique from all other commonly used hallucinogens and works through the functional pathway that seems to be associated with contextual aversion and traumatic stress and dissociation. What you experienced is what is assumed to be the direct manifestation of that. Being ripped apart is only one of the many lovely things that can happen to you.

I think salvia reveals something very crucial about the underlying operational language of the brain. I've gotten to the point of thinking of certain types of experiences as being sort of like "biological opcodes" that probably just happened to evolve through convenience until they turned into an entire assembly language of consciousness and remain as special operations that still allow consciousness to be altered at the more basic level if one manages to access them again. This biological operational language as I see it is not an easy one to understand, though if there's one thing I feel fairly confident of, it's that it is a language of pain.

Salvia.



One of my easiest salvia trips ever, actually. I usually forget it even happened because it was so smooth and dissociated. I mostly watched a colossal female entity staring from beyond the top view of the planet to a backdrop of the void in mostly blue and black colors.



Admittedly not a great headspace to start from but it seems common for even the more experienced to forget what's happening and think it's real at that level of experience.

I agree, with the part about dxm making tripping less likely to cause intense fear and stuff, I’d say I’m much less likely to have a bad trip from psychedelics if I mix dxm with it, because when I’m on a sufficient dosage of dxm, my concepts of fear and death kinda go out the window, and most bad trips are associated with uncontrollable fear or a feeling of dying

I can just exist and see things from a detached perspective while on dxm, it’s amazing, especially because I have a lot of anxiety issues, I’d say dxm helps anxiety as much as a heavy dose of Valium or Xanax, for me atleast.

Some people freak out when they take it though, though I think most bad trips are caused by people not letting go.

I actually enjoy it when psychedelics make me feel like I’m dead or dying, it’s a wonderful ecstatic feeling

 

[simstim]

I personally love salvia. It's not something that should have ever been marketed to the masses though. People who don't know any better treat it like a marijuana replacement and that's not even close to what it is.

Also, many people have only ever experienced strong extracts and that is a fucked up way to introduce people to it. I'm glad that I had lots of experience with plain leaf and milder extracts before I ever tried 50x.

I've never understood having trauma from a trip though. It's something that you experience and then it's over. Even if it's difficult why dwell on it? It's not coming back to attack you or something. Not like you're a violent rape victim afraid of being attacked again or something. Drugs don't attack you. Especially if you abstain from consuming them.

 

[Jabberwocky]

That feeling will fade, but for me it's never totally gone away. I can only speak for myself, but what helped was the ritual wicca I got involved in. Doors get opened...doors have to be pushed at least ajar if not closed.

 

[polarthedog]

I personally love salvia. It's not something that should have ever been marketed to the masses though. People who don't know any better treat it like a marijuana replacement and that's not even close to what it is.

Also, many people have only ever experienced strong extracts and that is a fucked up way to introduce people to it. I'm glad that I had lots of experience with plain leaf and milder extracts before I ever tried 50x.

I've never understood having trauma from a trip though. It's something that you experience and then it's over. Even if it's difficult why dwell on it? It's not coming back to attack you or something. Not like you're a violent rape victim afraid of being attacked again or something. Drugs don't attack you. Especially if you abstain from consuming them.

It left a scar on my psyche that came up in my daily life’s and nightmares for years, I would have nightmares where someone had given me a hallucinogens and would have intense fear in the nightmare. I wouldn’t be able to stop thinking about it I’m assuming because my brain was trying to process what had happened to it, and I would cry about it a lot for years.

I’m assuming that the pain I went through is about the same level as a rape victim or a veteran, or worse, rape only lasts an hour maybe, veterans only went to war for a couple years, my brain was tortured for an eternity.

I guess you could say my mind was raped for an eternity. thats how it felt

 

[polarthedog]

Actually, that bad trip was the reason I became so interested in harm reduction.

 

[simstim]

It left a scar on my psyche that came up in my daily life’s and nightmares for years, I would have nightmares where someone had given me a hallucinogens and would have intense fear in the nightmare. I wouldn’t be able to stop thinking about it I’m assuming because my brain was trying to process what had happened to it, and I would cry about it a lot for years.

I’m assuming that the pain I went through is about the same level as a rape victim or a veteran, or worse, rape only lasts an hour maybe, veterans only went to war for a couple years, my brain was tortured for an eternity.

I guess you could say my mind was raped for an eternity. thats how it felt

All the more reason why salvia should never have been mass marketed as 50x extract.

Almost nobody is properly prepared for that.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

I personally love salvia.

Yes, same here, the few times I've had it. It's next to impossible to find here.

 

[polarthedog]

All the more reason why salvia should never have been mass marketed as 50x extract.

Almost nobody is properly prepared for that.

I agree, there’s no warnings on the packaging or anything.

 

[Bare_head]

Yeah those 20x + extracts are something else. Total salvia land. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars

 

[plumbus-nine]

Dissociatives like DXM for sure make stuff less personal and more detached, it's what I fell in love with as somebody for who's emotions always have been too close and frightening. Even with tolerance this effect remains, but eventually it turned into something either schizophrenia or schizoaffective (I know too less about the exact diagnosis, these are complex and probably misunderstood disorders). I get like a second train of thought in my head which I can interact with like with a second personality but unfortunately it shares my memory so it can't provide me anything new. It's not as bad as hearing real voices either but some time I believed to having fried my brain.

Salvia reinforces this stuff but I guess it might be jut its echo effects. Any of you got something similar, hearing voices on salvia?

 

[AutoTripper]

So, if I've got this straight, OP- when you say "Worse". You mean "better" right?

Because Salvia extract at least is a professional ass whipper. Arguably "better" at that than DMT.

Plus, it is really quite a buzz once in a while to say vividly hallucinate your own death.

Can be surprisingly refreshing. So it has that purpose too.

 

[AutoTripper]

The whole thing, about salvia and I'm speaking of extract here- you just cannot remember anything at all of yourself that you take into the experience.

That's how it really fucks with you, it instantly kidnaps your mind.

Then to make it worse and REALLY head fuck you, it always seems to have an intricate, perfectly thought out plan to as English said "lead you up the garden path" (or it might be down).

Just to show you how lacking is your control over your own mind in that moment.

Before everything's bloody swelled than before.

Personally I think it's underrated for how humbling it can be,

 

[simstim]

Yes, same here, the few times I've had it. It's next to impossible to find here.

The last time I had some was over eleven years ago. I think I just found an online source worth trying though.

Man, I really miss salvia. For awhile when I was in high school I used to smoke plain leaf every night before bed and it was so relaxing.

I remember this one time I was smoking a joint of plain leaf. I got about halfway through it and all of a sudden I started crying because I felt so happy!! Then I looked at the joint in my hand and I had no idea what it was. I knew it was a cigarette of some sort but not what it contained, lol. I was just happy and crying.

Of course 50x is something else. I hit it once and my vision went black but I saw this large multicolored 3d rotating cylinder. I felt myself rotating with it. I actually did begin to rotate in the real world and fell straight off the couch and hit my head on the coffee table!!

I can't imagine if 50x was my first intro to salvia like it is (or at least was) for many people.

I have LOTS of funny salvia stories actually.

 

[JackARoe]

For awhile when I was in high school I used to smoke plain leaf every night before bed and it was so relaxing.

Very happy to see the thread continue in a more rounded look. I love Salvia too. I typed alot in the social thread about it but I will say one thing, I hear a lot about dysphoria but I found a lot of euphoria in it. If you tune in right the dysphoria can shift. The afterglow after the trance has some pain killing/dossociative affect. It deadens the issues in my head that have been bothering me. But plain leaf is well balanced. Extracts are not needed. 1/2 gram of good leaf has a good amount of savlinorin. Ease in. Pay attention dark and silent room and let her do her thing. No other way I can describe it.

 

[AutoTripper]

Also. Salvia is dangerous. The high extracts. You really need a tripsitter, or a padded cell to be sure.

Because you will very likely get up and try and do imaginary shit, break glass, burn cushions, before jumping out the window.

This stuff does happen.

HR! Lol. Serious though. Don't just take a strong salvia hit anywhere, any time with no forethought.

A forrest is probably a good place, or a huge open field just no cows around.