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Overrated and underrated drugs

Shady's Fox said:

ambien was a thing listne am here we here, was bc ppl didn't knew about it what it was they just heard that it some that is similar to diazepam but then they learnt
Don't worry i got this. I have been talking to substance users, online and real life, for decades. My brains auto-correct stuff like this.

"Ambien was thing, at least here, where we are. That was because people didn't know about it, and what it was. They just heard it is similar to diazepam. Then they learned that it is not."
 
I might as well put my list here, while i am at it.

Overrated:

-Alcohol. I am an alcoholic and a mess. I like getting drunk if there has been some sober days before that. But the good feeling lasts for a few hours, then there is a price to pay.

-Cocaine. Made me go so far from my real self. I had confidence and self esteem after some lines. I did not enjoy it, because i was so far away, from what is reality, regarding me, and what goes on inside my head.

Underrated:

-Cannabis. I am not saying that hemp can save the world. But hemp can save the world. It is all there, nutrition, in the form of seeds. Fiber. Fuel. Medicine. Recreational good times. Every fucking thing.

-Codeine. I am not at all into opiates. But i took this once, due to a fractured leg. Doctor's orders, i followed them. 1-2 pills (of panacod, combination of codeine and paracetamol) So as soon as i got home from the pharmacy, i wanted the pain to be gone, in order to be able to sleep. I took 2 pills. It was really pleasant. Warm and safe feeling. I know that it is a weak opiate (the weakest?) but if there is absolutely zero tolerance to any opiates, this does the trick.
 
Don't worry i got this. I have been talking to substance users, online and real life, for decades. My brains auto-correct stuff like this.

"Ambien was thing, at least here, where we are. That was because people didn't know about it, and what it was. They just heard it is similar to diazepam. Then they learned that it is not."

How would you like a job as Bluelight's official Shady interpreter?
 
However they are meaningless, very much so.
See, it is factually impossible to know every single person around you/in your area/even in just the "drug scene", therefore it is impossible to know people's impressions of said drugs.


Simply because you don’t have the totality of information about a particular topic doesn’t mean that the words used to describe said topic are meaningless though

The assumption of something being under- or overrated is based entirely on the perception of every single person . . . So the definition of over- or underrated is entirely circumstancial and rather random, making the entirety of this thread useless approximation. I mean if that's fun for you guys, I really don't want to stop you, just saying the information is completely useless :^ the same could be said of literally any opinion posted here regarding any drug

^ the same could be said of literally any opinion posted here regarding any drug
 
People want to legalize cannabis because they recognize what a massive failure prohibition was (because we all lived through it) and desire a public policy approach that's less punitive, less corrosive to the rights of everyday citizens (for example, how many times has a person's 4th amendment rights been violated under the pretense of, "I smelled marijuana"?) and, in spite of what you said there, actually more health-oriented compared to a system that criminalized people for cultivating or consuming a plant. That's why the issue wins pretty much anywhere its put to a ballot. I hardly see how that's a bad thing.

Can't think of a better way to nonchalantly rig the developing brain.

In places where it actually matters, in the West, no one will really come down on you unless you're dealing high amounts. When it's legal, people are more likely to consider it safe. Super high strength weed follows legalization, as do people considering it harmless. Big mess. Not even really underrated at this point so much as hazardous. Doesn't even take that much research to come to this conclusion.
 
Can't think of a better way to nonchalantly rig the developing brain.

In places where it actually matters, in the West, no one will really come down on you unless you're dealing high amounts. When it's legal, people are more likely to consider it safe. Super high strength weed follows legalization, as do people considering it harmless. Big mess. Not even really underrated at this point so much as hazardous. Doesn't even take that much research to come to this conclusion.

Actually marijuana prohibition was routinely used to jam people up even at the lowest retail level. If you don’t believe me just look at how it was enforced within the context of New York City’s “stop and frisk” policy even 10 years ago, even in a situation where it was ostensibly decriminalized. The only time I was ever arrested was for a personal-use amount of cannabis and I saw first-hand how people were funneled into outpatient and exploited by the criminal justice system for the so-called “crime” of smoking marijuana. So I reject out of hand this false notion that the criminalization of marijuana was just “no big deal”. I also reject the notion that people somehow only came to the conclusion that marijuana was safe in the wake of legalization...if that were true we wouldn’t have been at a situation, in 2012 when the floodgates opened, where 1 out of every 2 Americans had already admitted to experimenting at least once with cannabis. It was people’s lived experience that made them reject the prohibitionist nonsense. Fortunately none of the pearl-clutching about developing brains or reefer madness 2.0 is likely to turn back the clock on this matter
 
I don't think that making marijuana legal will stop police from targeting minorities, evidently.

Thankfully it doesn't have to be just "legal" or "illegal", as legal options can vary.

Are you saying that? Never said that. Definitely didn't ever say that. Either of those. I tend to think of people as more thoughtful. I don't think that's the only thing that people take into consideration. But yeah, if it's legal then more people will think it's okay. But now it's an issue that people are admitting to use? Does not compute.

Marijuana was different a few decades ago. They might as well be two different drugs. And those are two different movements. Reefer madness and modern science are about as different as possible. And about two different substances. Not really equivocal.
 
It's the same drug, it's just more potent. It's no different except you have to consume a lot less. I don't smoke very often anymore because it started giving me anxiety with daily use, but when I smoke I take 1 hit and that's it. I still get regular weed high, but I don't have to suck down joints full of it so it's easier on my lungs.
 
Over rated: Heroin - in the sense that people who haven’t tried it think that it’s some godly experience that turns you into a dope whore after one hit.

Underrated: Heroin - in the sense that people don’t see past the glorified idea to the subtle (of course the rush from IV ain’t subtle tho) way Heroin (& opioids generally) just push all the basic parameters of the experience of existence to their max, rather than feeling so much intoxicated I would feel like mood, pain, energy, self esteem, lack of anxiety could be instantly and at will be dialed up to their optimum level but still within natural range. Just a “perfect day button”
 
It's the same drug, it's just more potent. It's no different except you have to consume a lot less. I don't smoke very often anymore because it started giving me anxiety with daily use, but when I smoke I take 1 hit and that's it. I still get regular weed high, but I don't have to suck down joints full of it so it's easier on my lungs.

When you breed to maximize THC, you also breed to lower levels of other chemicals that can mitigate the effects of THC, like CBD. Experiences also suggest that a potent strain of marijuana has a much higher ceiling, regardless of how much you smoke. In turn, mental health professionals of old consider weed to be much less harmful than their contemporaries.
 
Tramadol and tapentadol are underrated in my opinion. I use large doses of oxy, hydromorphone and morphine, but can use a fraction of the cost of tramadol or tapentadol with 4 or 5 Valium to potentiate and it gets me more buzzed than the ridiclous doses of oxy (plus a couple of vals to potentiate) etc…

domt know what it is but that’s what I feel. Maybe I lack some enzyme? Codeine doesn’t do anything for me either.
 
i always thought that phenibut is very overrated especially here at bluelight, and codeine is underrated, one of my favorite opiates.
 
Overrated - crack
it's gone after a few minutes, u become all paranoid and shaky, the comedown feels like shit, then u desperately want more and u dont even know why... how do ppl even like that shit? even go as far as selling your stuff, or your ass, for a hit

heroin is underrated by those who have never tried it, and overrated by addicts
 
i always thought that phenibut is very overrated especially here at bluelight, and codeine is underrated, one of my favorite opiates.

Oh man I love phenibut. Some people don't seem to get a good effect from it though. In real life some of my friends love phenibut and some don't care for it. As for codeine, it depends on how good of a metabolizer of it you are. Some people metabolize it very efficiently to morphine and some do not. Codeine is a prodrug for morphine so it really depends on how well you metabolize it.
 
I don't think that making marijuana legal will stop police from targeting minorities, evidently.

Thankfully it doesn't have to be just "legal" or "illegal", as legal options can vary.

Are you saying that? Never said that. Definitely didn't ever say that. Either of those. I tend to think of people as more thoughtful. I don't think that's the only thing that people take into consideration. But yeah, if it's legal then more people will think it's okay. But now it's an issue that people are admitting to use? Does not compute.

Marijuana was different a few decades ago. They might as well be two different drugs. And those are two different movements. Reefer madness and modern science are about as different as possible. And about two different substances. Not really equivocal.

I don't think that making marijuana legal will stop police from targeting minorities either. It would definitely help, though. It would give the police one less excuse for harassing people in general.

The issue of 1 in 2 admitting to use is to illustrate the fact that, in regards to the notion of "people will think it's safe if it's legal"...who is left to convince, exactly? You had half the country already admitting to using a Schedule 1 controlled substance...can you think of any other illegal drug that comes anywhere close to that kind of outsized social/cultural presence? And if anything drug usage within the general public is usually even greater than what people will admit to in self-reported surveys and things of that nature. So that was pretty much a settled issue long before 2012.

Use in states where marijuana is legal tends to be higher than use in the United States overall, but this difference mainly pre‐dates legalization. Among the 11 states that have legalized it, marijuana use rates in 2011—prior to any legalization—averaged 15 percent compared with the national rate of 11.6 percent. Only Illinois’s was lower, at 11.4 percent.31 . . . The high and increasing rates of marijuana use prior to legalization (shown in Figure 1) might provide evidence for a cultural explanation behind the recent swell of legalizations: as marijuana becomes more commonplace and less stigmatized, residents and legislators become less opposed to legalization. In essence, rising marijuana use may not be a consequence of legalization but a cause of it.



To the issue of "marijuana is different now"...that too was settled during prohibition. All legalization did was continue a trend line (marijuana, generally-speaking, becoming more potent in regards to THC content) that's been heading in a certain direction since the 80s at least. Legalization did not usher in high-potency marijuana. And it's not really "different", any more than a bottle of beer has a different psychoactive drug inside it compared to a bottle of vodka. So both these ideas, the concept of people thinking that marijuana is a relatively safe drug, and the potency of marijuana trending upward, had long been in effect before the first states began to legalize.

And let me just say, even if we take what you're saying to be true, purely for the sake of argument (that marijuana today is an incredibly potent, potentially mind-damaging drug compared to the kinder, gentler bud of decades past), the old concept of "reefer madness" is still quite relevant. Why? Because Americans had decade upon decade of respected medical professionals and government researchers telling them that marijuana would do everything from cause you to have a psychotic break to (if you were a man) making you grow tits. So thankfully that has made them quite skeptical of the modern day reefer madness hucksters like Alex Berenson, Kevin Sabet etc. That's what happens when you get lied to constantly, it's the old parable of the "boy who cried wolf". The American people were fed a steady diet of complete bullshit and now, with the sudden arrival of the big, bad loco weed that's gonna corrupt the youth and cause everyone to get schizophrenia, they're tragically jaded and cynical! Oh no!

And, btw, CBD today is far, FAR (understatement) more prevalent than it was at any time in the past in this country. The amount of CBD in marijuana 10, 20 years ago? Pretty negligible and I doubt it was going to save you from having panic attacks/paranoia/psychotic break/other "bad time" if you were someone predisposed to that kind of reaction.
 
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Anything under S-I status is legal. People are quick to admit what they denote as "medication", even if it's really not helping them much. Especially in the US, doctors pretty routinely hand out benzo scripts. High doses are usually in reach at that point, maybe within a few months. They think it's totally safe.

Legalization has started an arms race between providers for the most powerful substance. There are variations, but it's not unlike what tobacco corporations did in trying to maximize the amount of nicotine that people ingest while smoking. Lots and lots of R@D funding on a massive scale not seen before.

I don't think that analogy fits. People can get very drunk on beer. Regardless of the kind of alcohol, there really isn't a ceiling there that's present when people smoke lower-grade marijuana. If you take a lot at the studies, there is a lot of consensus on the increasing potency.

Reefer Madness was a scare campaign driven by unfettered racism. I don't think that you need much more than watch the actual videos they put out. The science though, again, pretty well-confirms that it's an anti-androgen. There's no doubt that bigoted literature and vested interests fueled Reefer Madness, but that's largely how it's separated from current scientific understanding. Seems like people would be more objective about studying marihuana now, as more people than ever think it's not harmful, it's been largely legalized or decriminalized in the states. Why would the researchers be more against it at this point? It doesn't require that much know-how to look at how well recent studies were conducted.

I think you can make your point better without sensationalism. Science. Not angry rhetoric. That's how you can make a point.
 
I don't see how Burnt Offerings posted "angry rhetoric", it seemed quite calm and well-composed to me. As for science, it is hardly the scientific consensus that weed is harmful, and if you think more scientists are claiming it to be harmful now than in the past... well, I'm not sure where to go from there, because that is not what I'm seeing by a longshot. There are always going to be scientists claiming both sides of any position and that has always been the case, and always will. You can always find studies to support whatever position you're claiming. As we get farther and farther from reefer madness, the scientific and public opinion about marijuana has been shifting away from doom and gloom towards a more balanced view. That is the entire reason why there started to be medical marijuana programs pre-recreational legalization. Because more and more studies were showing legitimate medical uses.
 
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