Crack Cocaine expert smoker questions. Advice needed.

[Rocky8299]

I'm new so hello everyone. I'm not sure if this is the place to ask the questions I will ask but it appears search engines do not even try to answer simplistic searches no matter how I write and reword. Hopefully some of you can answer. Also I did try to use the search here and for the 2 minutes I looked I didn't see anything. Maybe it's my search abilities that are lacking.

I used to be addicted to dope for over 10 years. The first couple months were just fun and using here and there. I was in control.. Then you casually run out and don't care cause it's no big deal I don't withdrawal. So I used more - hey why not? Except dope catches up with you faster than one thinks. My cockiness and assumption that I couldn't get addicted or WD because I did it 8 times and was fine after. But then it hits you and you are screwed. UNDERSTATEMENT.

So what used to be fun somehow became a NEED. It just got worse. 1% of my usage was for fun the other 99% was me trying my hardest to come off and be normal again. You always have the power and thought-process to get clean when you're high but when you start WD you will go to MANY lengths to not want to feel like death. Foolish doctors compare it to the flu. GTFOH!

Okay I apologize I will get to my questions about hard in a minute. I finally got clean by WANTING to, for the 99% of the time I was using. I HAD to use out of necessity. I never used anymore to get 'high', I would use just enough to feel normal. I had to make all of it last as I was poor. I never hurt or did anything illegal when I was WD but bills weren't getting paid etc. I eventually got off.. MANY years of -- Went from dope to methadone clinic, to subs, to lesser and lesser subs until it was so small that I could do it for longer periods of time without wanting to die. It still hurt but it was doable. I cannot believe how horrific dope addiction is. It's beyond words. I came here to ask questions about Crack Cocaine and ended up rambling about H.. Okay..

Crack smokers, I hope these questions can be answered.

1) If you have X amount of Coke how much baking soda is needed to make rocks?

2) I hear you can use a microwave, oven, stovetop

2) Suppose you have an 8ball, how much soda would be needed? (I read on Quora that someone had said 50%, there is NO WAY it is that much.
My buddy said the ratio should be about 5 parts soft and 1 part soda.. Can anyone confirm this? I'm sure so many people have asked this question but I didn't see a forum for speed.. Maybe I'm blind.

3) This is a weird one. After you hit your hard and you place it down sometimes smoke is still coming out of it.. Is it wasteful? My buddy just lays it down and is fine with it. My thoughts are thinking if it is still smoking, then it must be being wasted right? If you cover both ends does the smoke itself turn into a resin? My first reaction is to think take the hot pipe and hit it without a lighter so nothing goes to waste.. But am I the one that is screwing up potential resin that would be made from the smoke?

I hope that last one makes sense. If it doesn't I can try to reword it. Also if I broke any rules here I'm sorry.. There aren't sites like this - or at least this is what popped up first during one of my searches.

Thanks!

 

[Jabberwocky]

i really hate to say this but ime crack addiction is way more desctuctive than heroin addiction. i could probably have maintained being a junkie for the rest of my life without losing my job, friends, home etc, crack stripped me of my humanity within a year of getting badly addicted to it.

use ammonia, it gives a way way better result and no heat needed, basically instant good shit. can you not tell the second you have a pipe whether its been cooked with bicarb or ammonia and does your heart not sink if the former (even if they haven't filled it with magic or whatever they call the cutting agents in your locale)?

i would agree that any smoke coming off the pipe is getting wasted. your buddy should stop with the lighter a second before he stops on the pipe so he can get all the smoke and not waste it. if you cover both ends long enough for it to cool down i would guess yes, it would go in your recycle.

 

[Rocky8299]

Wow quick answer, thank you chinup!. I think every person body is unique and has different reactions to different drugs. I had about 7 junkies I associated with and I would by far WD worse than all of them and also faster. Eyes water, RLS, insomnia, can't even swallow or I would sneeze for the 1000th time, hot and cold at the same time, the sweats etc. You know what it is. People and reactions are different for everybody.

You are correct about living normally as a dope addict IF you always had it. Whether money was the problem or people trying to F you over or areas being dry, cops etc. But yes if I had just the amount to feel normal many years ago I can absolutely see someone living normally with it. As long as one has access to it all the time.

As for crack, this isn't a normal thing nor will it be normal for me but it is here for now and was wondering how to make the best of it. Crack for me is addicting immediately, and after it is gone, if you can go 3 or 4 hours without it then the WD are over and you can sleep and eat.. But again I don't normally smoke it. My buddy on the other hand after 3 days without it looks like complete and utter hell. He says he isn't and doesn't withdrawal but I'm not a fool. I think he is just embarrassed. He calls himself a crack smoker not a crackhead.

As for myself though I have SURELY learned a long and hard lesson though with addiction.

Okay as for the excess smoke I also came up with that theory as well. For the last 40% of my lung capacity I take the lighter off and slowly cool it down with inhaled cool air. I am glad you said so because my buddy thinks of himself as an expert or something.

I will say though that I do not know what one could do with ammonia.. How does that even work? Ammonia smells so bad it is like a poison or something. I also do not have it at the moment and just have soda but I could get some quickly.

Would be a terrible thing if I messed it up..

How with ammonia? and how with soda? Also ratios? Is the 5 parts soft to 1 part soda semi-accurate?

Thanks.

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah you're completely right, IF you have it and got a decent job dope is fine. it gets bad the second you run out. i'd generally have some other opiates around to hold me if i couldn't score. i hated myself the whole time though knowing i was addicted and no matter how many times i tried to stop i just couldn't.

you don't get withdrawal from crack but mentally the desperation is like nothing i've ever felt for dark or any other drug its next level intense so i'm not surprised he looks like shit.

i have never cooked with baking soda so can't help you with that i'm afraid. just smoked a lot lol. ammonia you just pour enough on to cover it and wait til its done its thing (i'm sure you can google if you wanna know the chemistry). can you be sure your coke is decent quality?

everyone has their own ways of using that they're convinced is the best/not wasteful. like i would always burn dark up on the foil cos i could not be arsed to run it and everyone went nuts saying i was wasting it despite me and my ex doing a lot of experimentation and finding no difference other than one being quicker and us being impatient. but in the case of letting the smoke from your pipe go OF COURSE its wasting it- the smoke is exactly what gets you high.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

use ammonia, it gives a way way better result and no heat needed, basically instant good shit. can you not tell the second you have a pipe whether its been cooked with bicarb or ammonia and does your heart not sink if the former (even if they haven't filled it with magic or whatever they call the cutting agents in your locale)?

Is there an easy way to tell @chinup ? Most of the dealers I used to score off probably wouldn't even be able to pronounce 'sodium bicarbonate', let alone know if it was used to make their white.

But when I was using, there seemed to be two main types - hard oily rocks often with a yellow tint, and pure white crumbly stuff that easily broke down into tiny little balls in the bag. The crumbly stuff was far superior - better high, longer lasting and no sketchy comedown.

 

[Rocky8299]

I absolutely felt like shit and hated myself as well for so many years being addicted to dope. The longer you're addicted the worse it is.

As for Hard, for me it's both mental and physical. Again this is coming from someone that really doesn't smoke or snort. But after it runs out my mental/physical is panic anxiety, heart racing, thoughts of more, grinding my teeth, can't keep thoughts from running wild, insomnia, and no appetite at the top of my head.. It sucks.

I never used foil.. I just have an old glass tube with a chore in it.

If I were to test this ammonia out maybe I would find something very small like a spoon and add ammonia to it and...stir? Does ammonia evaporate fast like alcohol? Also does it need cooked? This is interesting whether I do it or not. But I can try to look things up but like I said these search engines today really blow (no pun intended). I will try again though. If I keep looking maybe I can find some answers.

 

[Rocky8299]

Is there an easy way to tell @chinup ? Most of the dealers I used to score off probably wouldn't even be able to pronounce 'sodium bicarbonate', let alone know if it was used to make their white.

But when I was using, there seemed to be two main types - hard oily rocks often with a yellow tint, and pure white crumbly stuff that easily broke down into tiny little balls in the bag. The crumbly stuff was far superior - better high, longer lasting and no sketchy comedown.

Mine is the latter. White and never yellow and CAN be crumbly but also can be hard as hell big rocks. All depends on dealer fully re-up or bottom of the barrel smaller rock with some powdery rocks. My first time smoking was 16yrs old and it was the yellow kind. Since it was the first, I always thought that kind was better, now I know better.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i would never be sure whether my shit was good til i smoked it. you could tell it was bad, if it was way too hard or yeah the colour, then once you start melting it that gives you an idea if it takes ages to melt that's not good. had some really oily shit once that was the worst, cos it ruined your recycle and if you dropped decent crack in the oil residue it just dissolved fuck me that was bad. nothing so stressful as getting decent crack after shite and watching it disappear and being able to do nothing!

i can't really describe the taste differences other than that, if it tastes of bicarb then its cooked with bicarb! it doesn't automatically mean its shit, but all the shite light i've ever smoked was definitely cooked with bicarb and all the best i smoked was done in front of me with ammonia and high quality coke.

i was talking about foil for dark not light. i used a metal pipe for light as long as i had one, if not literally any other cylinder open at both ends but usually a pen in that scenario, which is a fucking nightmare.

you don't need to cook it with ammonia, just watch the crystals precipitate.

 

[Rocky8299]

Wow I need to try to understand what you mean with the ammonia that sounds promising. Maybe I can try to find out in detail what to do.. I also agree that a while back I had GARBAGE hard. It never made any res at all from an 8ball and every 3 to 5 hits I would need to make another chore. Just terrible. It was crumbly and, to me, seemed like it was mostly soda. It got the job done but barely.

 

[Jabberwocky]

god yeah its depressing when you get an 8th of bad shit. i once had one where i was putting probably 20-rock sizes on my pipe and still getting virturally nothing from it.

just experiment with the ammonia with a small amount. be careful pouring it on, do it slowly, you can always put more in but not take it out!!

 

[Rocky8299]

Should it be a liquid or use less ammonia and look more like a paste?. I will use very small test amounts. I just don't know what is suppose to happen. Will rocks start to form that you can pull out? Sounds pretty easy just 2 ingredients and no heat or anything..

 

[Jabberwocky]

i found you a blog that looks like it gives the advice you're looking for (and how to cook with bicarb, which is also super quick by the way just slower than with ammonia):

Mix about 1 g of coke in 10 ml of water in a small vial. Slowly add drops of ammonia to the solution. A white milky precipitate will form. Stop adding ammonia when additional drops no longer result in precipitation.

this is what i'd watch my dealer do, though it then goes on about a step involving ethyl ether, which we didn't do. and we'd smoke it straight away but apparently that is bad for your lungs. honestly though if you're smoking crack already for me it makes no sense to care about whether your lungs are getting fucked a bit more. but as this is a harm reduction website i felt i ought to point that out!

 

[Rocky8299]

Alrighty then. idk why I couldn't find anything but thank you for this website. I really do care about my lungs.. I stopped smoking cigs after I stopped the dope.. Hell I don' think I want to smoke ethyl ether lol. Although if it all evaporates and there is nothing left behind from it then it should be safe..... ?

It's good you pointed out that your dude didn't use the ether and it still turned out fine. Now that I'm thinking about it, smoking ammonia has gotta be bad as hell too.. If I did that method then I would wait an extremely long time to make sure all the rocks were dry as hell.. Soda at least isn't so bad to smoke. But whichever method is easiest or most efficient while being the healthiest is what I will try to aim for. ( I know oxymoron)

'Hey guys I'm smoking the healthy crack!'

Thanks chinup

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Am not gonna contribute to cooking process info here as cannot reconcile it with myself to help anyone to produce crack and it truly is a monster, but OP if you really must partake then be aware the neural pathways created with your first hits can never be erased

If you take the ammonia path make certain that you wash the shit out of your rock at least twice with water - ammonia fumes are most definitely not a favourite of your lungs

Also just forget about blocking the end of your pipes to ensure no minimal loss, also forget about resin build up etc - just leads to obsessing. Just smoke what you have and be done with it for the night

 

[Rocky8299]

APF.. Yeah this is how my buddy is. Kind of just chillax about it. Smoke still coming out, he doesn't mind.. But he smokes almost everyday, I rarely smoke and try to not waste anything.. Stuff is expensive! But if you're saying that trying to cover up the smoke pretty much is so negligible that it doesn't make a difference then yeah ok, that makes sense. But it really does feel like it wasteful to me..

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Also just forget about blocking the end of your pipes to ensure no minimal loss, also forget about resin build up etc - just leads to obsessing. Just smoke what you have and be done with it for the night

Obsessing is what crack does best. I used to wash my pipe out with acetone over and over again just to get some shitty acetone tasting oily shit that made me obsess even more...

 

[Rocky8299]

Never tried acetone, only on weed pipes have i used that to clean em.. But I do obsessively scrape the hell out of the piece for a long long time trying to get every dusty brown powdery crumb. Or if you are more lucky you get chunks of dark semi-hardened oil.

 

[DoctorMolecule]

I smoke hard once a month, 150$ limit, when it’s gone I take some Kratom and smoke some grass and relax. Sometimes I sample it then put it away for a week

 

[Cokenut]

Obsessing is what crack does best. I used to wash my pipe out with acetone over and over again just to get some shitty acetone tasting oily shit that made me obsess even more...

I have been smoking crack for 9 years, and I just found out that when the white and brown (resin) drip down the inside of the pipe, you wait til it hardens. Then you use a curved end tool to scrape it out of the pipe and into a business card. Then you pour some of the resin powder, and maybe with a small rock and OMG - blow your head off!

 

[Obikylekenobi]

I know I’m late to reply here but if you use the ammonia method you HAVE to rinse the rocks in water. Preferably twice to make sure any remaining ammonia residue is gone. Also imo the hard oily rocks are WAY better than the crumbley kind. Where I’m from we actually call good rock “oils”, that oil is really what your after. The crumbling kind is almost always made with bicarb and they most likely left a bunch in there to increase the weight of the final product