Desperate Soon out of oxy... Detox or quick taper?

[Last steps]

Hi,

I've read countless of posts but seems like everyone is in different situations.

My quick story similar to most start with injury and RX for the pain.
Cannot even remember when it was, about 10 years maybe.
Been taking every RX drugs, from Tramadol/codeine, morphine to Bupe in panic for WD.

Now my current supply is almost out and I cannot get anymore.

I have a limited supply of Oxy ER.
Can manage the worst symptoms at 50mg a day. Quite the tolerance, need 100+ to get some out of it.

So my options here is to do some "quick jump taper" down to zero, cutting about 5mg every second day or so.
Tried that before and couldn't handle it. "Just one more and I'm starting tomorrow" took over.

Or should I just take the jump now? Since the other option would just prolong the inevitable?
Would it make a difference a 2-3 week taper

Currently doing something in between to save my last pills. Freezing, aches and restless, just taking enough to keep the worst away along with some Valium for now.
Just sitting terrified, staring and waiting for it..

Have ordered some vitamins and minerals and have kpins, Xanax and Valium at hand.
Also have some chlorzoxazone, muscle relax, immodium and otc pain killers.


Thankful for any advice here.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Taper if possible. But I am the same as you. Could never taper opiates. Just would say fuck it, will try again tomorrow. May of been different if I was down to the last amount knowing I could not get any more. Getting more was always down the street, so of course never worked.

You can't get a few more subs? I would do a quick sub taper. 4/5 days or so.

I have also done a few quick methadone detox where I would go to the clinic. Dose 30mg for 2-3 days and let the dope get out of me, then stop. Would be much less sick than going cold turkey.

 

[Last steps]

Unfortunately all "around the corner" options are out of question, even the subs(which was just that)
I'm not in the US, the whole methodone and clinic setup doesn't exist the same way, too much at stake to show up as an addict.

Tried taper the subs a couple of times when I had them for a year. But those are almost worse imo, snorted then away quick. Managed to get stable at around 1,5mg. Tried to jump, hell no. Those are heavy.
Managed to switch to oxy ER in order to taper them instead, yet here I am crushing them as well.

What would be the best. Taper with ER or crush em up just to get a couple of hours releif?
Rather than being half WD on ER's?

 

[Last steps]

What about to take a few days to drop my dosage by half(for example) and maybe stabilize on a lower dosage and taper from there.
Take the hit with low dosage and some benzo.

I.e. take a huge jump down in dosage then wean of more slowly. A jump big enough to handle.

I know it will be rough but might be less painful once taking the final jump.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Ah yeah, I think the clinic setup is different out there. Here its all private and completely disconnected from the standard health system.

So the best thing to do would be to lower your dependence as much as possible with what you have.

I would just take the bare minimum to keep you out of full blown withdrawal, but still in slight withdrawal. Even skipping days. Skip a full day. Then take the tiniest piece to give relief.

If you can't skip a full day, then spread them out as much as you can. If you can make it 16 hours, then next time 20 hours, then next time 24 hours, etc.

 

[Last steps]

Thanks for taking your time.
That was my initial idea as of today, didn't find the words earlier.
To see how far i can stretch it before I cannot take it anymore.

Woke up today 6am, last dose yesterday(25mg) was 6pm. Restless legs from hell and aches everywhere.
Took 10mg(crushed) and 10mg valium slept for another 6h, once it kicked in.

Now almost 10h later, since my 10mg's. Still freezing, slight body aches and restlessness.

Just popped 1mg Xanax. Huge relief except from the chills but can live with them.
Mindset now is that taking oxy is just a waste since the Xanax usually takes over the oxy, at least for me. Keeps me from them for a while.

Have quite a stash of benzos so will try to go as low as possible with the help of them then switch to oxy only and taper slowly.

Still not sure if I should crush or take advantage of the ER.
Not sure if two ER will do the same as two crushed. Will for sure need more which will make an even bigger dent in my supply.

 

[Last steps]

Don't know if anyone is reading but maybe it can help someone else in similar situation.

Since last post I'm manged to hold 25-30 MG a day(in two doses). A decrease with about 50%.
This has managed to keep the cravings bearable as well as the acute wd symptoms.

Been eating vitamins, minerals otc painkillers like candy. Cannot eat anything else, no hunger what so ever. Managed a half sandwich, a whole in two days.

Have been taking it easy on the benzos. Haven't found the right dose or point to take em.

The restless legs are killing me and my sleep totally. Last night was the worst ever, managed to get about 3-4h with 1mg Xan. Still woke up crawling and turning.

Any advice on the benzos here? Been mixing before but in small doses. Not sure if I can increase benzo once I decrease oxy?

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Do you have a xanax dependence already? Its so not worth it to get one over opiates.

But if you have a xanax script you will see that now you will need more xanax that the opiates are gone. Be careful here too since will be easy to gobble them up and end up with a sky high tolerance.

At this point you sound like you should just go for it, and toss them out if your plan is to kick. Down to 25mg is pretty low anyway. No point to stretch it out. You cannot go too many days without hunger.

Definitely take it easy as possible on the benzos. Write down your doses even so you know. Easy to forget and then find out you took 5mg a day for a week and now fucked in benzo and opiate withdrawal.

 

[Last steps]

Im pretty low(I think). Haven't done Xanax for years. As of today since started my 50% taper I've taken 4x1mg(1 per day).

Have Valium(on script) for legcramps due to back injury, so a little tolerence there. As I assume cross tolerence to xan as well then.

Keep record for every mg that goes into my body right now along with date and time.

Has been thinking about kpins but since the half life is so long I wouldn't gamble to take both.
IF I really needed a Xanax for better relief.

So now I stretching everything to the edge.
Oxy, Valium, Xanax and kpins.

Feels like the worst wd of the 50% drop is kicking in now.
My goal is to be functional at 25mg and then drop slowly from there.

I know I have to eat but it's totally impossible, feels like I'm going to throw it up before I even eaten anything.

 

[Last steps]

Can some booze be an option? Ease the cravings and restlessness? Instead of benzos?

Since I've been prescribed opiates for so many years I havent had a single drop of alcohol in maybe 7-8 years.
Tried a beer or two in the beginning but got nauseous and throw up immediately. No good combo even in low doses for me.

I know its not a high dose(25mg) and I can really feel that now. I assume the 10+ years of abuse plays apart even the lower dose.

Streched 18h before I took 15mg today and 1mg Xanax at 4am.

The legs are killing me and the constant overall restlessness.

Shit I'm so close too just crush up 50mg right now just to get some relief.....

 

[Ds]

Is it possible for you to get some Kratom? You might be able to use it to help with some of the w/ds while you slowly taper.

 

[Last steps]

Haven't really looked into it and the availability.
Shall do that.

Will get a script in a week again.
Asked for 5mg ER, usually get them in 100 packs so that will prolong my taper schedule by far once I managed to jump down and stabilize on 25-30mg.

Have script for 7,5mg a day for my back along with valium for cramps.
They are very restrictive with the prescriptions here. Especially the opiates.

But those scripts has been gone in a week usually.

Third day now on 25-30, jumped from 50-70mg.
Might need a few more before I'm stable since I've used benzo along with the jump down.

Will try further on to skip a day, managed 18h today before my RLS were killing me.

Many thanks for all your inputs BTW.

 

[Ganjcat]

Just soldier through man it could be worse you could be homeless have a bath listen To some relaxing music savour the normal sober feeling

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Booze is really bad for your body during opiate withdrawal due to the dehydration. They wear off very quickly too. I drank lots through opiate withdrawal and the end result was never pretty.

After you have a week or two off, a few beers won't hurt. But wouldn't drink through acute. I would actually stay away from the alcohol completely simply because it definitely won't help the brain heal.

If you do reach for a drink, be sure to drink like 2-3 glasses of water per drink to avoid dehydration.

Just keep at it. Dropping your dose 50% just like that will come with some sickness.

 

[Last steps]

Well noted, thanks!
Never been a fan of alcohol in general but feels like desperate times now.

But as you say it would for sure make more harm than good due to the dehydration.

Will go easy on the benzo instead, only if really needed for sleep.
Shall try to take my last oxy dose close to bed tonight in order to get some sleep without the RLS. Imo that's almost the worst.

The whole sleep cycle is messed up so just dosing everything when needed, no real continuity in anything right now.

So will try to find some schedule in all this.

 

[xaddictx]

The only things that appealed to me and was able to keep down i withdrawal was jello and ice cream. Maybe some chicken soup but that was about it.

Im pretty low(I think). Haven't done Xanax for years. As of today since started my 50% taper I've taken 4x1mg(1 per day).

Have Valium(on script) for legcramps due to back injury, so a little tolerence there. As I assume cross tolerence to xan as well then.

Keep record for every mg that goes into my body right now along with date and time.

Has been thinking about kpins but since the half life is so long I wouldn't gamble to take both.
IF I really needed a Xanax for better relief.

So now I stretching everything to the edge.
Oxy, Valium, Xanax and kpins.

Feels like the worst wd of the 50% drop is kicking in now.
My goal is to be functional at 25mg and then drop slowly from there.

I know I have to eat but it's totally impossible, feels like I'm going to throw it up before I even eaten anything.

 

[Last steps]

Yeah I know. This far, considering the 50% drop i
I'm feeling quite good. Except for those RLS which is killing me.
As mentioned Im taking all minerals, potassium, l-tyrosine and vitamins and plenty of water. It's about that what I eat in a day now.

Don't know if it helps or just placebo. Been loosing weight like never before though

Been reading a lot of remedies for wd and I'm quite confident that I'm going to mange the acute this time. At least my mind is set to it differently this time since my supply is out(good thing).
Since I've loaded up quite well with otc drugs as well ass non opioid painkillers and muscle relaxors its bearable so far.

What troubles me now is the PAWS, anxiaity mood and depression. And RELAPSE.

Was on bupe for two years managed down to 1,5 mg. Was going to kick it at 1mg, didn't happen. Back to oxy then back to bupe 4mg now I'm here.
Endless loop...

 

[RedRum OG]

I've found tapering with oxy to take the willpower of a demigod, and to be just as painful as diving right in, at least beyond a day or two, but I wish you luck.

If I were tapering with anything, it'd be immodium/loperamide. Weed can be a big help if you're open to it. Gabapentin too. Sounds like buprenorphine and methadone arent what you want, but it's a better plan B than to be desperate and doing whatever you can get your hands on

Good luck

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

Do you still have pain @Last steps ? This is always a relapse trigger for me. Because coming off the pain even gets worse.

RLS is probably one of the worst things for me. Lots of vitamins, hot baths (if you soak in a hot tob, then jump into a pool, then back to hot tub it helps), kicking a bag, walking, running and cycling to break them. It will dull the RLS. Luckily that goes away pretty fast. Off short actings the worst is done in less than 7 days.

 

[JessFR]

Just soldier through man it could be worse you could be homeless have a bath listen To some relaxing music savour the normal sober feeling

Dude, having been homeless, and experienced opioid withdrawal, I'd take the homelessness any day.


Now both at once... In winter, That's a level of hell that's hard to beat.

Hi,

I've read countless of posts but seems like everyone is in different situations.

My quick story similar to most start with injury and RX for the pain.
Cannot even remember when it was, about 10 years maybe.
Been taking every RX drugs, from Tramadol/codeine, morphine to Bupe in panic for WD.

Now my current supply is almost out and I cannot get anymore.

I have a limited supply of Oxy ER.
Can manage the worst symptoms at 50mg a day. Quite the tolerance, need 100+ to get some out of it.

So my options here is to do some "quick jump taper" down to zero, cutting about 5mg every second day or so.
Tried that before and couldn't handle it. "Just one more and I'm starting tomorrow" took over.

Or should I just take the jump now? Since the other option would just prolong the inevitable?
Would it make a difference a 2-3 week taper

Currently doing something in between to save my last pills. Freezing, aches and restless, just taking enough to keep the worst away along with some Valium for now.
Just sitting terrified, staring and waiting for it..

Have ordered some vitamins and minerals and have kpins, Xanax and Valium at hand.
Also have some chlorzoxazone, muscle relax, immodium and otc pain killers.


Thankful for any advice here.

If there's really no other options, like maintainence, or rehab, I'd go with the taper if you can. It might not seem like it but tapering can help. If possible save the comfort meds and benzos still you're fully out of opiates IMO.


Good luck.