i always reach like 3 days. then its more physical. like severe discomfort body wise, especially my legs and feet. i keep thinking its bone or muscle pain but i believe its nerve pain. it feels like someone is rubbing dull blade at the ends of my nerves, its really nasty type of pain.
So, i started kratom and tianeptine on and off with cycle. not sure if anyone else tried those two to quit suboxone or any opiates before. problem is they have their own withdrawals you just have to experiment and see which wd best fits you. tianeptine only gives withdrawal if you take large doses for a week. and they are grueling! kratom, i think its the same. about a week or so, but the wd's arent as bad in my opinion. you dont get too much of those cold sweats you might get from tianeptine for example. not much nerve, muscle or bone pain either. anyway, im not sure yet as im cycling between kratom and tianeptine. ill keep update on this, but my primal goal is quiting alcohol which is much much harder for me than any opiate. alcohol has NOTHING to help with withdrawals. benzos only do the sedative part, but there is zero to help with the amazing huge depression and suicidal ideation associated with it. so ill try to concetrate on alcohol first, second quiting opiates.
So, i started kratom and tianeptine on and off with cycle. not sure if anyone else tried those two to quit suboxone or any opiates before. problem is they have their own withdrawals you just have to experiment and see which wd best fits you. tianeptine only gives withdrawal if you take large doses for a week. and they are grueling! kratom, i think its the same. about a week or so, but the wd's arent as bad in my opinion. you dont get too much of those cold sweats you might get from tianeptine for example. not much nerve, muscle or bone pain either. anyway, im not sure yet as im cycling between kratom and tianeptine. ill keep update on this, but my primal goal is quiting alcohol which is much much harder for me than any opiate. alcohol has NOTHING to help with withdrawals. benzos only do the sedative part, but there is zero to help with the amazing huge depression and suicidal ideation associated with it. so ill try to concetrate on alcohol first, second quiting opiates.