Somehow it's a pretty common phenomenon of which gurus (refuse to call them shamans because I believe that such really exist but they won't advertise, probably not treat strangers or take money) are just an obvious example. Like magicans, with them it's (should be) common sense that they're faking as with politicians or speculants. Sects'n'cults, homoeopathics, hypnotherapists, psychiatrists, coaches, influencers, pick up 'artists' fit in the same schema.
A musician is famous because people like their music (exceptions confirm the rules) but a guru is famous because of his illusions fueled by despaired crowds.
Somehow world class athletes or hollywood actors, mainstream chart artists are a bit different phenomenon but not too far away; people like them because the others like them - you can't tell me that everybody buying music from (enter random charts band) would have bought it if they weren't pushed to death by Sony™, EMI™, big money with the desire to multiply. Again exceptions confirm the rule, athletes might be the best of their kind but it's not them generating the revenue but an Illusion which gets monetarized.
Ok, back to topic. I agree to much which has been said in the thread here. Thought myself about going to an ibogaine retreat but to pay 4-10k for a few days - for what exactly? It's really unfortunate, these people who could need it most are left outside in favor of creating a cult - good, sad example with that girl above.
I want to give hypnosis a try, as apparently it's scientifically proven to be strong enough to replace anesthesia at the dentist's but if they were for real, they could offer you to only pay on success. In my former work as an IT technician I couldn't collect in advance and tell the customer he were lying when I couldn't fix his 🖥 either. Some do though.
Then I thought-played about selling 'shamanic magic' therapy for people with social anxiety or depression involving a deschlorinated nmda antagonist 'sacrament' but even if I could do this legally, it would feel wrong and I'd have a hard time living with, should it exacerbate somebodys condition. Unfortunately as you can't do sth openly in most parts of the world, we rather see fake shamans and luxurious retreats.
We had a Sacred
Church
™ in Switzerland, including its Pastor. He offered rituals with the Holy Sacrament™, for free in exchange for a night in his hotel
or you could give a Voluntary™ donation and, Independently™ of that, receive some
. While a priest too, he made this because law let no other option than to try out establishing a church under the condtitutionary right of freedom of religion. He was a bit excentric but believed in his mission to give the Gift of the Holy
to folks, and his umm, not-prices were ok I'd say. Nobody knows how success would have changed him though.
They raided the
church after some years if acribic observation which brought me the first contact with police, police violence, and -record. Pastor spent 14 months in jail (according to him, he provoked police to arrest him b/c he wanted court to officially legalize his
) but they dodged the decision, need to check if it's still open. Then he went to fly agaric
and people mostly lost interest.
Sorry, went OT again. I lose myself in mind atm.
Yeah, you don't need no guru for psychedelics, this annoys me at the current attempts about psilocybin or ketamine assisted therapy, that they are done by psychiatrists in clinics - but it's a good first step of course and maybe it's not the worst, if and I hope so, they need to take the substance themselves during training.
I am very curious about real shamans, what they are able to do, how they came to do what they do etc but guess chances are higher to win a lottery than to meet one by accident..
