Bupe Bupe tapering

[sigmond]

Hi , thank you for you detailed response, much appreciated on what to expect in the coming weeks then, yeah just wish I would have this info before I got started on this , drug clinics here put you on it longer than needed I think to stabilise your lifestyle etc , but looking back after a year on it I could of done it so much quicker & be much less painful, anyway I'm here now & just looking to minimize any wd that I can , at least they stop the chaos & panic of being an opiate addict relying on dealers etc, i trust your stable now , best of luck in your future taper, I'll maybe post here & let you know how it goes, thanks again , Eastender

No problem.

I should mention that there is a lot of evidence to support long-term bupe maintenance. I'd have to look it up but people who take suboxone for a year or more are far more successful in maintaining long-term abstinence from their DOC. And considering how easy it is to overdose and die on the current supply of street fentanyl I wouldn't recommend coming off suboxone unless you felt very confident that you would not return to heroin/fent.

Good luck and try not to get the covid.

 

[Eastender]

No problem.

I should mention that there is a lot of evidence to support long-term bupe maintenance. I'd have to look it up but people who take suboxone for a year or more are far more successful in maintaining long-term abstinence from their DOC. And considering how easy it is to overdose and die on the current supply of street fentanyl I wouldn't recommend coming off suboxone unless you felt very confident that you would not return to heroin/fent.

Good luck and try not to get the covid.

Yeah fair comment, luckily in the uk we dont have the fentanyl problem so much , but see where you coming from, as self employed & a family I have a lot to lose if I ever go back to it, that's my motivation now , take care & stay safe

 

[sigmond]

I felt I needed to make that last post in case some 'professional' is lurking the forums. I know the mods in the focus forums can be pretty anal about accurate HR advice.

I'm gonna have to look into why the UK or other countries are not getting the fent-garbage that we get here. I've run into street fent here so strong that literally a few granules or half a stamp >0.1mg can cause death.

 

[Eastender]

I felt I needed to make that last post in case some 'professional' is lurking the forums. I know the mods in the focus forums can be pretty anal about accurate HR advice.

I'm gonna have to look into why the UK or other countries are not getting the fent-garbage that we get here. I've run into street fent here so strong that literally a few granules or half a stamp >0.1mg can cause death.

Must be horrifying not knowing especially if you iv the stuff, have heard about the fentanyl problem in the states , isn't it cheaper so that's why people bulk it out but so careless imo, I only smoked heroin , but glad it's all behind me ....for now

 

[sigmond]

Must be horrifying not knowing especially if you iv the stuff, have heard about the fentanyl problem in the states , isn't it cheaper so that's why people bulk it out but so careless imo, I only smoked heroin , but glad it's all behind me ....for now

I believe cheaper to manufacture and you don't need a farm.

Also, some dealers believe its better for them because it has a pretty intense rush when injected and the high doesn't last as long so people have to dose more often.

This is a graph of overdose deaths in the State I used to live in.

Fentanyl starts showing up often in 2013 and is almost all you can find in some areas by 2015

Spoiler

 

[Eastender]

I believe cheaper to manufacture and you don't need a farm.

Also, some dealers believe its better for them because it has a pretty intense rush when injected and the high doesn't last as long so people have to dose more often.

This is a graph of overdose deaths in the State I used to live in.

Fentanyl starts showing up often in 2013 and is almost all you can find in some areas by 2015

Spoiler

Bloody hell .... that's scary , it's all about making money for some people , such a shame , but when your in your addiction I suppose you unfortunately end up taking risks just to not get sick etc.

 

[axe battler]

,,@Eastender you are flying! Keep those sleepers as long as you can, but listen to your own body. You jumping at 0.1mg? That's a great dose. A lot jump way higher and even some of those say it's a piece of piss. I'd disagree personally.
Benzos, zoppies, PREGABALIN (the best) clonidine, gabapentin, paracetamol and ibuprofen for aches and temperature, the odd loperemide for the shits, anf you already said that you exercise...mate you got this in the bag.
Good luck and stay busy, it'll be mild and not that long due to the amazing tapering!

 

[Eastender]

,,@Eastender you are flying! Keep those sleepers as long as you can, but listen to your own body. You jumping at 0.1mg? That's a great dose. A lot jump way higher and even some of those say it's a piece of piss. I'd disagree personally.
Benzos, zoppies, PREGABALIN (the best) clonidine, gabapentin, paracetamol and ibuprofen for aches and temperature, the odd loperemide for the shits, anf you already said that you exercise...mate you got this in the bag.
Good luck and stay busy, it'll be mild and not that long due to the amazing tapering!

Thanks axe , I am trying .... getting there dropped again today 0.2 to 0.15 , seems petty & not worth it but I've given myself a target of jumping Friday week at latest so 10 days or maybe earlier depending on how I feel & how low I can get, if it means taking micro doses & making any wd minimal then I'll be happy , although here in uk its 11.30 pm & I'd normally be asleep, noticing I'm struggling to get to sleep recently, I'm saving my comfort meds for when I jump off even tho I dont have a great deal, also have a family etc that dont know about my situation, so thought I'd save the meds until I really need them, cant complain so far, just a couple of rough nights but getting low now so thought I'd start to feel not 100% still lockdown for Corona here & off work so thought do it now or never.... nervous but excited in a way , just hope the wd arent too bad & dont last ages like I've read on here with some people's experiences, have you tapered down & off or are you still on bupe etc, I've had some really nice people telling me what to expect & advice which is so helpful, I just hope I can do the same for others if i can come through this, hope your well, Eastender

 

[Branden0713]

Hello,
I am hoping y'all can provide some advice on my situation. I've been taking Vicodin for about 6 months and I want to quit with as little as as possible. I've taken Suboxone to overcome the wd symptoms but was wondering how long I could take Suboxone before I wd from that? Any advice would be soooo appreciated.

 

[Karamazov]

some people find if they taper off quickly within a couple of weeks they don’t have any wd. Others believe you are just switching to another opiate and you’ll still need to either suffer wd or taper slowly.

but you are you. how much Vicodin were you taking and how much suboxone are you on now?

 

[Eastender]

Hello,
I am hoping y'all can provide some advice on my situation. I've been taking Vicodin for about 6 months and I want to quit with as little as as possible. I've taken Suboxone to overcome the wd symptoms but was wondering how long I could take Suboxone before I wd from that? Any advice would be soooo appreciated.

Hi , my advice would be to taper off subbies as quickly & as smoothly as poss? What daily dosage are you taking right now? Also work out a taper reduction plan if you can & listen to your body, a sensible taper is key imo , I'm doing it right now , any questions feel free to ask ,best of luck

 

[Branden0713]

Hi , my advice would be to taper off subbies as quickly & as smoothly as poss? What daily dosage are you taking right now? Also work out a taper reduction plan if you can & listen to your body, a sensible taper is key imo , I'm doing it right now , any questions feel free to ask ,best of luck

I'm taking roughly 3mg a day but am prescribed 8mg. I can take the whole strip cause it makes me extremely sick to my stomach and blurry vision. I have WD from opioids before and it's no walk in the park which is why I sought help this time to get past them. Only, I've come to find out that Suboxone can make you wd as well.
Thank you for the advice, I will definitely reach out if I have any questions!

 

[Branden0713]

some people find if they taper off quickly within a couple of weeks they don’t have any wd. Others believe you are just switching to another opiate and you’ll still need to either suffer wd or taper slowly.

but you are you. how much Vicodin were you taking and how much suboxone are you on now?

Hello,
I was taking between 60mg-80mg of Vicodin a day. I'm now taking about 3mg of sub a day.

I'm trying to avoid wd as much as possible as my wife and family don't know of my dependence and I'm not sure how it would go over considering I've been through this before. Only difference is now I have a 9month old and that complicates things quite a bit .

 

[Karamazov]

id say even 3 mg is too much considering your prior habit. it May not seem like it but sub can really jack up your tolerance without you even realizing it. If you can, cut that dose in half and see how you feel, then reduce as quickly as possible from there.

however, I get it about the family situation and the new kid. Been there. It’s a complicated, stressful situation and hiding a habit adds a near unbearable level of stress and guilt. So first off, pat yourself on the back for getting on the subs. then take the time you need to get off of them. You might find it easy to taper and jump quickly. Or you might want to simply stay at 2 or 1 mg for a while. Do whatever you need to to stay away from your doc and be a good dad.

 

[Eastender]

Hello,
I was taking between 60mg-80mg of Vicodin a day. I'm now taking about 3mg of sub a day.

I'm trying to avoid wd as much as possible as my wife and family don't know of my dependence and I'm not sure how it would go over considering I've been through this before. Only difference is now I have a 9month old and that complicates things quite a bit .

Hi bud , yeah exactly the same for me regarding the family not knowing etc, maybe start reducing say 0.2 per week, then when you get to 1mg daily 0.1 per wk, I was on 8mg for about a year cut qhite easily to 2 mg in months, now at 0.1 as will be jumping next week sometime, but like I said I wish I'd done it earlier , dont know what to expect but at least your doing the right thing now , also do some research on any comfort meds you could possibly get ...non opiates obviously but you probably wont need much if any , I have no experience of sub withdrawal but no doubt will find out , hoping that my taper down will help & think that jumping at 3mg is too much personally, start getting down quickly, then slower reduction as you get lower, lots of advice & help on here I found.

 

[Karamazov]

@Eastender are you stable at .1? Or still feeling rough?

 

[codydion]

Hello,
I was taking between 60mg-80mg of Vicodin a day. I'm now taking about 3mg of sub a day.

I'm trying to avoid wd as much as possible as my wife and family don't know of my dependence and I'm not sure how it would go over considering I've been through this before. Only difference is now I have a 9month old and that complicates things quite a bit .

i had a similar experience regarding the family situation. wife didn't know of my addiction and i got on subs in the dark and kept it from her for quite some time. as soon as your stable and you feel like you won't ever turn back to opiates i think that's the best time to get off the subs. my wife didn't know for a long time until it finally came out and she was supportive and just happy to know that i was trying. i know having kids makes detox a lot harder so having support is awesome and it will be ensure you get the best chance at a healthy life. get sober any way you have to. come on here to chat any time you feel you need to. it helped me get though it all.

 

[Eastender]

@Eastender are you stable at .1? Or still feeling rough?

Hi karamazov , how are things with you? I'm not too bad really, its 8 am here in uk , not been up long , I'm finding it harder to get too sleep but still getting 6 -7 hours so cant complain , I've spoken to my drug counsellor & the date is set for next Friday to finish etc. I sneeze a bit , need the toilet & runny eyes still before i take that little crumb if buprenorphine, find myself crying at things on tv which I never would of haha, but it's not so bad on this dose , course I'm a little bit nervous ,apprehensive cos never done it before & that bupe has been part of my morning routine now for over a year , but from what I read on here the pain of any wd eventually fades over a few weeks , just hoping they are mild & controllable, for me definitely noticed a difference going so low but after 3 days your body adjusts , so weekly tapering is fine , anyways hope your well in this crazy time , Eastender

 

[Eastender]

i had a similar experience regarding the family situation. wife didn't know of my addiction and i got on subs in the dark and kept it from her for quite some time. as soon as your stable and you feel like you won't ever turn back to opiates i think that's the best time to get off the subs. my wife didn't know for a long time until it finally came out and she was supportive and just happy to know that i was trying. i know having kids makes detox a lot harder so having support is awesome and it will be ensure you get the best chance at a healthy life. get sober any way you have to. come on here to chat any time you feel you need to. it helped me get though it all.

Hi Cody , how are things ? Hope your all good?

 

[codydion]

Hi Cody , how are things ? Hope your all good?

hey bud things are going good. today is day 31 suboxone free. pretty much all symptoms have subsided for me besides less energy than i used to have. slight inability to feel pleasure. it's hard to describe because i wouldn't even call it that. but i can feel something is off. but of anxiety but that's all easy to manage. for me anyways. i gave your post above a read and it sounds like your going through some mild withdrawal? i remember when i quit crying at the shows me kid was watching. i look back and laugh. crazy how the emotions are so up and down and all over. how are you feeling? are you apprehensive or excited about quitting?