Positive The Tapering Supportive/Social Thread

[Squeaky]

I tried codeine. All it did was make my skin itchy. Zero pain relief. Oxycodone is my salvation.
I usually over exaggerate my pain. I figure I can throw away pills I dont need, but theres nothing I can do if I dont get enough.
In my mind theres nothing to be gained by acting like my pain is less than it is when I see ny Dr.

 

[Painful One]

I tried codeine. All it did was make my skin itchy. Zero pain relief. Oxycodone is my salvation.
I usually over exaggerate my pain. I figure I can throw away pills I dont need, but theres nothing I can do if I dont get enough.
In my mind theres nothing to be gained by acting like my pain is less than it is when I see ny Dr.

Yeah that is true. I always tend to try and hide how bad the pain and disability really is. I don't know why.
I really just want to be treated normally by others. I guess. I try really hard to appear normal.

I was proud of myself for not apologizing to my doctor for needing an early refill in December. I had a horrible month and I almost ended up in the hospital after having the worst period of my life. I really needed a blood transfusion. I hemmoraged and lost so much blood I was passing out all over the place and had a seizure. So no, I'm not apologizing that I needed a few extra pain pills.

I had a really bad cluster headache yesterday. In fact I feel like it brain damaged me it was so intense.
I'm really having a rough time lately.

How are you doing with your pain Squeaky? It sounds like you got your oxy dosage right again. Working for you for the month.
I hope you are doing well.

 

[Squeaky]

How are you doing with your pain Squeaky? It sounds like you got your oxy dosage right again. Working for you for the month.
I hope you are doing well.

I really screwed my tolerance with Loperamide. Im working on tapering off of that right now. Lope wds make my tolerance for oxy go unbelievably high and I am out of pills yet again. Im going to have to beat this lope tolerance problem for now, otherwise Im just stuck in this circle of overusing my pain pills and using lope to avoid wds.

 

[dopiejay]

Caught the nurse practitioner in a lie. She told me she wasn't allowed to prescribe opioids and benzos, then told one of her other patients on the phone WHILE I WAS SITTING NEXT TO HER that she was going to prescribe them dilaudid and Valium. Then she tried to pull some mental health trickery on me to make me think I didn't want diazepam and opioids.

Never fucking going back.

 

[dopiejay]

I was also told that because one doctor forced me off a benzo (against my old doctors orders, and due to her own moral predisposition toward benzos) that I would NEVER be prescribed a benzo AGAIN. They've marked me as a drug seeker even tho I've never asked for narcotics in my life. Fuck them.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I've diverted far from the taper plan i had 3 months ago and now i'm back in the same spot, using ~30 grams of kratom a day.

 

[mtop2036]

So I've made it 8 days now on 1mg of subs. Tomorrow I will be making the plunge to .75mg. I finally got my last 2 wisdom teeth pulled out on thursday which was 5 days into 1mg. I was in wds during and for a few days after. I kept telling myself that it the pain got bad enough i would take .12mg extra. And I didn't do it. I stuck it out and self with it even though the pain has been severe, definitely proud of myself for sticking it out.

And I'm afraid the subs are making the holes infected. Not 100% sure yet but they are giving my mouth a foul order/taste. Not sure if you guys remember but I just went through this a little over a month ago when I got a single tooth pulled and it became infected. It has to be from the subs. Been holding it in on the sides with no holes but idk. I always follow the dentists instructions, and I don't smoke and havn t been using a straw. I do smoke pot but havn t smoked any since before the appointment.

On the instructions they gave me it says no smoking for 48hours. It's been. Over 72 hours. Think it would be ok for me to take a small hit? I won't be putting any suction on my pipe, I'll just be gently inhaling.

 

[mtop2036]

I've diverted far from the taper plan i had 3 months ago and now i'm back in the same spot, using ~30 grams of kratom a day.

How much did you taper down to before you got back k to 30g? We're you getting withdawls?

 

[dopiejay]

So I've made it 8 days now on 1mg of subs. Tomorrow I will be making the plunge to .75mg. I finally got my last 2 wisdom teeth pulled out on thursday which was 5 days into 1mg. I was in wds during and for a few days after. I kept telling myself that it the pain got bad enough i would take .12mg extra. And I didn't do it. I stuck it out and self with it even though the pain has been severe, definitely proud of myself for sticking it out.

And I'm afraid the subs are making the holes infected. Not 100% sure yet but they are giving my mouth a foul order/taste. Not sure if you guys remember but I just went through this a little over a month ago when I got a single tooth pulled and it became infected. It has to be from the subs. Been holding it in on the sides with no holes but idk. I always follow the dentists instructions, and I don't smoke and havn t been using a straw. I do smoke pot but havn t smoked any since before the appointment.

On the instructions they gave me it says no smoking for 48hours. It's been. Over 72 hours. Think it would be ok for me to take a small hit? I won't be putting any suction on my pipe, I'll just be gently inhaling.

I wouldn't be worried if it was that long. I seen a buddy of mine get wisdom teeth pulled and the first thing he did was light a cigarette and go get a coffee. If it's been 72 hours u should be good to go but I'm no dentist so idk.

 

[zagor11]

This is a nice tapering support thread and it's nice to have it but no one wants to me help me in my tapering journey on this WEBSITE. I like Blue Light but I receive no support. 8(

 

[dopiejay]

This is a nice tapering support thread and it's nice to have it but no one wants to me help me in my tapering journey on this WEBSITE. I like Blue Light but I receive no support. 8(

You can pm me if you want. This thread gets a lot of replies it's easy for some to slip through

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I tapered down to about 10-15grams a day over a couple months then i had some problems with, errr, mental stability and pretty quickly increased back to 30 grams.

I had very minimal withdrawals at that slow of a taper.

 

[mtop2036]

I wouldn't be worried if it was that long. I seen a buddy of mine get wisdom teeth pulled and the first thing he did was light a cigarette and go get a coffee. If it's been 72 hours u should be good to go but I'm no dentist so idk.

Ok thanks man. It's about my bed time do I'm going to wait until morning so it'll be about 90hours at that point. But am slightly worried as both holes are still bleeding a bit.

 

[dopiejay]

Ok thanks man. It's about my bed time do I'm going to wait until morning so it'll be about 90hours at that point. But am slightly worried as both holes are still bleeding a bit.

Ehh I wouldn't worry. I had a broken off jaw tooth which I had to have cut out of my mouth before. They had to stitch it and it bled for like a week, but lemme tell you I didn't go that long without a cigarette or a toke lol. It never hurt me any and my gum was mangled right to the bone.

 

[Painful One]

I really screwed my tolerance with Loperamide. Im working on tapering off of that right now. Lope wds make my tolerance for oxy go unbelievably high and I am out of pills yet again. Im going to have to beat this lope tolerance problem for now, otherwise Im just stuck in this circle of overusing my pain pills and using lope to avoid wds.

I know. You just got to force yourself to stick to your oxy dosage no matter what. It is going to be uncomfortable for a few but I was surprised how quickly my body readjusted back to my regular dosage of MS Contin.
I'm doing that again now , readjusting back, after using the plugging ROA more often than I should have.
I have found that the oral dosage actually makes me feel the best and holds my pain down for twelve hours.
For me, that is the main issue. Holding the pain down for the longest time possible.

There is no way around this brother. You can't taper down off the lope. You are going to have withdrawal from it no matter what. Next time you get your oxy prescription, just cut the lope and stick to your oxy dosage no matter what. You are going to go through some trouble but it is nothing too bad. After 10 days the worst was over and you at least have your oxy dosage helping with the lope withdrawal.

Try to take as little lope as possible right now while you are without your oxy. I found lope will hold you over with one good dosage for at least two days. Sometimes three. You are just panicking and taking more than is needed to actually hold the withdrawal off.

You gotta do this to break that cycle. You are really going to hurt your digestive system and the risk of heart problems is not good either. Not good at all. You will feel so much better once you just get past a few weeks without the lope. Your body will readjust quickly back to your regular oxy dosage. I promise.

I'm here for you. I will help you through.

 

[Painful One]

Caught the nurse practitioner in a lie. She told me she wasn't allowed to prescribe opioids and benzos, then told one of her other patients on the phone WHILE I WAS SITTING NEXT TO HER that she was going to prescribe them dilaudid and Valium. Then she tried to pull some mental health trickery on me to make me think I didn't want diazepam and opioids.

Never fucking going back.

I'm really sorry to hear this D.J.
Hugs my friend.

Honestly! That was a fucked up thing to do to you!
Nope, I don't blame you on never going back.

You could get prescribed suboxone. You are going to have to weigh the options between your alcohol use or suboxone.
The suboxone would do less damage to your body.

After having liver failure from Tylenol poisoning myself, I just hate to hear of people turning to alcohol.
It makes me so worried for them.

It seems like you should at least be able to get help from addiction services then if that is what they have labeled you.

I wish I knew the answers guys. It seems this is a personal journey and we each are kind of dealing with different scenarios.

I'm here for support for you and everyone else here too. I wish there was more I could do.

Love you guys! Don't give up! Find a plan that works for your situation and advocate for yourself.

 

[mtop2036]

Painful when you say oxy holds your pain for 12 hours are talking about time released oxy or just oxycodone?

 

[Painful One]

Painful when you say oxy holds your pain for 12 hours are talking about time released oxy or just oxycodone?

No. I am not on oxy and never have used it. Squeaky is prescribed oxy for his chronic pain.
I'm prescribed MS Contin for my severe chronic pain issues. (Sorry for the confusion. I edited my post. )
MS Contin is long acting morphine and it does hold my pain down for 12 hours when just taken orally.

I just have to get used to this is the best my pain is going to be controlled. It gets hard not to look for ways to make it work better during pain flare up's. I just have to get through those. It is not worth running myself short on medication or upping my tolerance. I may have a long way to go yet in this life and I need to pace myself. Ugh! Living in chronic pain sucks! It is so hard!

I would be trying to help you guys with the suboxone and gabapentin withdrawal but I have no experience with those medications.

I do offer my support.

 

[dopiejay]

I'm really sorry to hear this D.J.
Hugs my friend.

Honestly! That was a fucked up thing to do to you!
Nope, I don't blame you on never going back.

You could get prescribed suboxone. You are going to have to weigh the options between your alcohol use or suboxone.
The suboxone would do less damage to your body.

After having liver failure from Tylenol poisoning myself, I just hate to hear of people turning to alcohol.
It makes me so worried for them.

It seems like you should at least be able to get help from addiction services then if that is what they have labeled you.

I wish I knew the answers guys. It seems this is a personal journey and we each are kind of dealing with different scenarios.

I'm here for support for you and everyone else here too. I wish there was more I could do.

Love you guys! Don't give up! Find a plan that works for your situation and advocate for yourself.

Doesn't suboxone help with pain though? I'm not addicted to opioids see, I just need them for my back pain. When I do have opioids I don't drink at all because I don't need to. I thought suboxone was just to stave off withdrawals?

I have a buddy who takes it for oxy addiction and he says it does nothing but keep him from getting sick. It's got naloxone in it so I didn't think you would get any effect from it at all besides withdrawal relief?

The big thing is if I ask for suboxone that'll be basically confirming their suspicions to them and I'll never get a medication for my pain. I'm currenty waiting to get into the pain clinic here but that's going to take years (that's what they've told me).

 

[mtop2036]

No. I am not on oxy and never have used it. Squeaky is prescribed oxy for his chronic pain.
I'm prescribed MS Contin for my severe chronic pain issues. (Sorry for the confusion. I edited my post. )
MS Contin is long acting morphine and it does hold my pain down for 12 hours when just taken orally.

I just have to get used to this is the best my pain is going to be controlled. It gets hard not to look for ways to make it work better during pain flare up's. I just have to get through those. It is not worth running myself short on medication or upping my tolerance. I may have a long way to go yet in this life and I need to pace myself. Ugh! Living in chronic pain sucks! It is so hard!

I would be trying to help you guys with the suboxone and gabapentin withdrawal but I have no experience with those medications.

I do offer my support.

No worries, I thought you are on morphine and it seemed odd to me that oxy would last that long. Chronic pain does suck. I have pain issues as well And it makes getting clean even harder. Personally I think your making a great choice by sticking to your dose and not jeopardizing your tolerance/health. Not to mention the mental issues that come along with it.

And honestly you have been helping with my sub withdrawls, your encouragement is encouraging


Dopejay. For me subs do help with pain,I believe they do for everyone, it is an opiate after all. I think the issues lies within most people associate pain relief with being high. And subs definitely can get a person high. The majority people in my opinion who say subs or methadone have never got them high are usually the ones who are nodding out at some point in the day. Most on subs/methadone are either at a clinic which they consider it treatment of they get it from a pain doctor. The ones at the clinics don't want to admit they can feel the drug since they are "in treatment" and the ones at the pain doctors are only taking it for "pain" don t want to be labled. That's not to say some people do genuinely take it for pain or are using it as a mean to avoid other opiates. I guess it all depends on your dose. At one point my subs were getting me high.

But if I were you I'd avoid getting on them if you can. If you ever change your mind and wish to be off then it's much harder getting off subs/methadone than "regular" pain pills. Then again your know your body best and know what's best for you more than anyone else ever could. Just try to think with the long term consequence s can be.

Also subs Jack up your tolerance more than most opiates.

Wish you all the best.