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indigoaura said:
This individual donated some of the bad molly to be tested.
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Are you savvy enough to do reverse washing in order to remove any MDxx and send the remaining contaminants for testing?
It would require access to pure solvents....
 
Glubra, I have not ever done that before, but I could try. I may split the sample in two and send one half of the sample without messing with it, and then try to reverse wash the other half. Depends on how much there is. Energy Control requires a 50 mg sample.

Also, I opened up one of the capsules of the "good" stuff. It definitely smells like safrole, and is a light sand/off white color. Almost a pink/gold sand color. Smells way stronger than the stuff I got from the DW previously. Smells like a bag of good pills in the early 2000s. I need to find my camera to get a decent macro shot.

I have taken brown molly before, but I have not see it exactly this color before.
 
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Also worth mentioning...the capsules for the "good" product were made at exactly 120 mg. So, they are not overdoing the dosage as seems to be the case with many pills going around.
 
^^^Yea I always weigh out mine 120. 100 is great don't get me wrong but I feel 120 is the sweet spot for most people especially those that are seasoned.

Hmm I'm really curious to hear about your experience with this new batch. The light pink/gold coloration has been associated with very good product in the past but of course the proof is in the pudding.

Also if you figure out how to upload I'll take a look and give feedback. Use at least the Marquis, Mecke, and Simons. Even if you lab test you should still reagent test as it could help you/us later better find the good product.

-GC
 
Ordered a Marquis/Mecke/Simons combo from Dancesafe. Could not find my old one. I'll upload videos once I have the test results. I will show the result for the new two samples, and my old sleepy sample.

(and, I agree about 120 being the better start dose. 100 usually just does not quite push me past the thresh-hold).
 
Yay I'm excited to see those :) thanks for putting in so much effort Indigo btw.

I will say that it might be possible you have some Leuckart MDXX as your newest batch. I feel my constant shilling of this synthesis route has actually gotten chemists to start using it again as I've seen reagent results lately popping up again that mimic the old 90's product.

I just started another thread on this topic, talking about how the Marquis in the 90's used to go a dark inky blue. I had found a post on Reddit where some guy had a pic of such a reaction along with a positive melting point test. Since that I've seen two more posts recently on Reddit with the same dark blue inky Marquis reactions. Funny too cuz just like before, in the comments people are asking "but why is it blue??"

I've never personally seen, in person or online, a blue Marquis reaction until recently and now they are popping up... It's made me believe that the original EZ Test Color Chart was accurate but once the synth route changed they questioned everything and just went with a "purple/black means MDXX" approach.

I say this in hopes that maybe your newest batch is from the "Leuckart." But we'll see!

-GC
 
That would be interesting, GC. I was told that this new sample originated in Mexico. First time Mexico has popped up in the conversation that I have seen. Definitely not coming from Europe. It certainly smells good!
 
Really??.. Mexico has put out good product before. The famous Pokeballs of SoCal that reigned supreme from late 2000's to early 2010's were coming out of Mexico.

It being of Mexican origin also further solidifies it being made from safrole as that is likely going to be the precursor of choice for them. (For a few reasons which I can state if anyone's curious..)

Also the I could see them using older synthesis routes too for a number of reasons, Leuckart potentially being one of those.

The only downside of products from Mexico is just like the other drugs they sell, once they corner the market they'll drop the quality hardcore... Good thing though that they'll never be able to, which may force them to always keep the quality high.

With all that said, Mexican MDMA is a rarity (at least currently, that could change) so it'll be interesting to hear how it all turns out.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
It being of Mexican origin also further solidifies it being made from safrole as that is likely going to be the precursor of choice for them. (For a few reasons which I can state if anyone's curious..)
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I am curious. Are there any ubiquitous botanical sources of safrole in Mexico ?

G_Chem said:
Also the I could see them using older synthesis routes too for a number of reasons, Leuckart potentially being one of those.
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Why would they choose Leucart?
 
Q1- Not that I'm aware of but I wouldn't be surprised. Cartels do have a strong presence in both SouthEast US and Brazil however where there is lots of safrole still to be had. (There are other safrole sources in Mexico that come to mind but they aren't easy to use, Piper auritum being one.)

Q2- Mexican chemists aren't known as being cutting edge by any means. They also try to use the cheapest reagents/precursors possible. Leuckart is a well known established method which I'm certain cartel chemists would know and it uses really cheap and easy to obtain precursors.

The limiting factor of the Leuckart is its yield, purity and unpredictability, but they can be controlled once the chemist finds their groove with the method from what I've read. The purity while lower may be subjectively better..

Mexican cartels have been known to take steps back to older methods. I've heard they still use the old p2p al/hg method.

With all that said, my money wouldn't be on saying it's synthesized via Leuckart. It's just a slim possibility that seemed impossible up until recently.

-GC
 
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Just wanted to quickly update. Got my Dacesafe kits. The Mexico product reacted immediately to everything. The reaction was so fast, I couldn't even start counting.

Marquis - Purple/Black (with some bubbling)
Mecke - Green/Black
Simons - Blue

I did film it, but I don't know if the quality of the video really shows the subtle color variations.

I also tested the sleepy product. That product also reacted very quickly to everything. Only difference that I noticed was that on the Marquis test it went brown/black instead of purple/black. I seem to recall this being mentioned somewhere before in this thread as being significant.

Only reaction that seemed slightly confusing on the Mexico product was the Simon's reaction. There was some of the product that did not turn blue right away. However, that was a larger chunk, and I think it is possible that it did not come into contact with Simon's B. Also possible that this Mexico mix is blending MDMA with MDA. If that is the case, it is a very small portion of MDA in the mix compared to MDMA. I did a second Simon's test, and everything turned blue. I could have continued to test with Simon's, but I hated to waste more and more product.

I have to find somewhere to upload and share the video links, and then I will post them.
 
indigoaura said:
Only difference that I noticed was that on the Marquis test it went brown/black instead of purple/black.
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Sugar makes Marquis react with a brown color. Maybe it is the excipient.

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I received another sample of the sleepy Molly in the form of tan crystals from Amsterdam. I will have the results soon after the holidays.
 
Use report

Product - Mexico

Environment - small NYE gathering with a few friends. Music playing. Low key.

I barely ate lunch around 3 pm, and did not eat dinner. So, I was hungry by 9:50 pm when I proceeded.

Transferred product from gelatin capsule to vegetarian cellulose capsule.

Took 120 mg at 9:50 pm

Brief "rush" at 10:06 pm. Sort of a "blood rushing to head" feeling.

10:29 pm - Roll has started

10:44 pm - Eye jitters and visual disturbances. Checked mirror and had eye dilation.

11:25 - Nauseous. Ran to bathroom and had a few dry heaves then felt fine. This is what used to happen to me every time, but not usually so far in. Usually in the first 30 minutes or so.

Boosted with about 75 mg at 11:45 pm.

Boosted again with 60 mg at 1:20 am.

Wish I would have taken note of the time, but somewhere around 2:30 or so I felt like I was done. Come down was pretty fast and easy. I just felt sober, almost exactly how I felt before I took it. No cracked out or sick feeling at all. Hung out with friends until 5 am or so, and then went to sleep with no issue and slept soundly until 1 pm today.

Today, no sickness. No weirdness. Feel normal. Did not chew my mouth up, so I don't think much was happening with my jaw.

So, here is my overall analysis.

I was conservative with my use because I really did not feel like dealing with any bullshit later this week. So, I kept my dose relatively low (for me). My typical pattern would have been to boost with another full pill rather than the 75 mg. So, in some ways, I might have subdued a roll that would have otherwise blasted off. That said, I still did not get what I was looking for. At this point, I am feeling that tolerance may be a decent part of the puzzle for me. I have tried several batches, and none of them match up with the feelings that I remember.

I felt good, fine. I stopped worrying about a lot of random stuff I had been worrying about throughout the day. I chatted with my friends. I sent a bunch of Happy New Year texts to random people. I petted my dogs, and they felt pretty soft. But, I cannot honestly say I felt euphoric. Also, the tactile enhancement that typically made me want to have as much sex as possible was just not there. I also can't say that the music sounded much different than it normally would. Meh.

I think it is a step in the right direction that this stuff did not give me the negative side effects that I have been getting from the sleepy stuff. That indigestion/dizziness bullshit is just not fun, and enough to make me want to stay away. I also think it is a great sign that one dose pushed me over to eye jitters and dilated pupils. To be fair, I did just roll at the end of November. I have been dealing with pretty short breaks in between these experiments, so it might be catching up to me. There will be a longer break this time.

So, I am going to get more. Next time, I will try a higher dose and see how that goes. As soon as Energy Control International re-opens their drug testing service, I will be sending it in to them to get the full lab report.

My friend, who took much more than me (he took 4 total whole doses throughout the night), seemed to have an awesome time. He kept commenting on how much stronger it was, and ended up with his shirt unbuttoned as he lazed around on the sofa. For a guy who usually just paces the floor talking vehemently about politics and the historical connotations of rock and roll, I thought that was a noticeable difference.

Happy new year, everyone!
 
So, Chonciceptor just posted in another thread, "MDMA vs. MDMA." Seems very relevant to our conversation. I invited him over here.

So, let me start by saying that none of these products have ever been tested with a test kit. I know that?s dumb. With that being said, I?m just asking for straight opinions lol. So.....I have a background of using ecstasy in the late 90?s and early 2000?s. And it was great! Total euphoria and closeness and all that Jazz. Hadn?t done any since 2004. So about 2 years ago, my fianc? at he time, now my wife, says that she wants to try it and I was totally cool trying it with her because inhad never had the chance in my youth to roll with a significant other or a female who was single for that matter, so I thought it would be really fun. As luck would have it, a coworker the following week said he could get it easily. Now, back when I used to do it, pressed pills was all we got, the stuff he got for us was a damn rock the size of A fucking gum ball. Let me tell you, it was amazing. This stuff had euphoria, the eye jitters, jaw clenching, dance energy, and was the most hyper sexual feeling I have ever felt. Nasty sex for hours straight, you name it, we did it. We got this quality of stuff for a solid year from my friends source. Then he disappeared never to be heard from again. So, not knowing anyone in the scene, we turn to the dark net lol. We have never had any products that even come close. No euphoria, no sexual urges, no energy. Just eye jitters, jaw clenching, and wanting to lay around. So what?s the deal? After researching I feel like maybe the stuff we had from my friend was actually methylone and not mdma, is there any merit to this line of thinking?
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Thanks for reposting my thread, I was just looking at this like you suggested, and reading through a bunch of the comments, it seems I am having a similar situation. I?m just in awe how I had 1 guy who could get the very best stuff I?ve ever had, and ever since then, I?ve had stuff from all over the world, and it all basically sucks lol.
 
Also, I am going to get test kits now and stay on top of everything we get. I didn?t even realize those existed to the public until recently, it would have been nice to test my old connections goods.
 
Chonciceptor,

To comment on what you said in the other thread...in my opinion, sexuality on MDMA is not something that is blatantly obvious until you access it. Like I mentioned, I did not experience it with one partner, and then I did with the other. It wasn't an option until it was an option. Then, it was just like all the lights came on, and WOW. Nothing like it.

But, like you, since my original supplier retired I just have not been able to find the same product. You said the stuff you got from the DW was lacking in every way, and I would agree. Dose does not make it better.

I have some questions for you...

What did the good product look like? Was it clear, brown, tan, champagne in color?

Where are you located (if you don't mind us asking)? Did the dealer ever mention where the product came from?

Did the product have a smell?

Do you have a baggie left over or anything with any remnant of the old product?

In contrast, what have the bad products looked like? Where did they originate according to the DW?

There is a testing company called Energy Control International. I am about to send several samples in. They will provide a full PDF report.
https://energycontrol-international.org/drug-testing-service/submitting-a-sample/

You can also order the testing kits on Dancesafe.

Has your wife had the same experience as you? Does she also notice the extreme difference in the products?
 
Below are the results of Raman analysis of anise smelling tan crystals from Amsterdam.
63% 3,4-MDMA HCl
31% 3,4-MDPH HCl
The rest is Mannitol/Sorbitol and some stuff below the detection threshold of my analyzer.

The enantiomer ratio was not determined because my analyzer does not have any quarter plates nor polarizers. I'd have to beg a colleague at work for it.

The friend of a friend who brought it to me said that 170mg lasted him 4h (1h comeup), no mydriasis, no empathy, no euforia (he sat on a chair all the time).
Comedown lasted 3 days.

Last time he used a phenethylamine class drug was in 2014 and cocaine in 2016. Not taking any anti-depression medications.
 
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