What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[anon65535]

So I haven't been in this thread since page 26 but I want to add a little update. This is in regard to the MDMA that I washed twice with 75:25 boiling acetone:IPA. I did not recrystallize in IPA afterwards. I simply crushed the MDMA as fine as I could get it and then boiled in the solvent mixture and stirred vigorously until the majority of it was dissolved. I could've kept adding more IPA until it all dissolved but with an ounce of material, I already had quite a bit of boiling solvent and the .5g that wouldn't dissolve didn't bother me much. For reference, the original material was brown, like rootbeer brown. It had a smell, but more of a sweet chemical smell then the anise smell. It had some characteristics similar to the anise smell, but was slightly different. When I first tried it, I wasn't really astounded by it. It was good but not great. Can't really talk about the hangover because I was doing a lot of drugs at the time.

So I washed, cooled, put in freezer and then poured liquid over filter paper to collect cleaned stuff. Evaporated the rest of the solvent and was left with ~5g (out of 28 grams of material. Additionally, in the dish that had the evaporated solvent, there was a very very sticky dark brown goo that had that same smell as described above. I can't tell you what it was but it was pretty gross. I ended up just collecting that 5g of brown powder and it tested positive via reagent for MDMA but I'm not gonna put it in my body. I did wash it once more but it still came out fairly brown, there wasn't much of a difference.

Report:

I tried the cleaned powder twice. Three weeks apart. Both experiences were similar however, on comedown of both I took a psychedelic. AL-LAD on the first trip, 300ug and LSD on the second, 150ug. Both MDMA experiences were very powerful. The comeup was very similar for both experiences, 40m and I felt it strongly. I took 140mg the first time and actually only 125mg the second time. The second time the come up took me by surprise. I actually got some nausea and smoked to weed to deal with it. It was an intense comeup, more intense than I had previously experienced in other MDMA experiences, even on larger doses. That second time, I actually had a difficult time getting comfortable which I've never had before. The initial rush just took me by such surprise that I had trouble adjusting. It took me a good 1.5-2 hours to really enjoy the peak and get comfortable which I found kind of interesting. Either way, I had some of the classic MDMA insight and empathy. Lots of good introspection and I wrote a bunch of notes on things I wanted to improve. I took LSD at T+3 and eventually that was really all I felt cause it took over.

Either way, I'm fully convinced that the acetone + IPA took out some impurities and I don't know what that brown goo was, or that 5g of other stuff, but I'm glad it's out even if I just discount it as loss. The product I have now is pretty close to an off white. It's more white than off. Crystalline, shiny.

Can't say that I really put any stock into the isomer theory but this felt like classic MDMA to me and had all the common symptoms. Hangover was not bad at all, and the second experience with 125mg MDMA and 150ug LSD left me pretty happy. I didn't go to sleep that night and actually played a music gig that next day. I actually still had mild LSD residual symptoms while playing. Got a great night's sleep that night and the next day, no hangover or anything. So take that as you will. I can post some pics of before and after if it's wanted.

Cheers!

 

[scatterday]

^^^Its not as rare as you may think but yea for the most part piperanol has pretty much taken over it seems.

I'll agree I don't see the love at events like I used to though if I travel elsewhere. Giving a random stranger a hug as you walk by or randomly massaging someone or getting one yourself isn't something you see anymore sadly . I can't tell why that is though, whether the mdma is bad or cocaine is ruining what I hold dear..



-GC

Completely agree in this regard.

So I haven't been in this thread since page 26 but I want to add a little update. This is in regard to the MDMA that I washed twice with 75:25 boiling acetone:IPA. I did not recrystallize in IPA afterwards. I simply crushed the MDMA as fine as I could get it and then boiled in the solvent mixture and stirred vigorously until the majority of it was dissolved. I could've kept adding more IPA until it all dissolved but with an ounce of material, I already had quite a bit of boiling solvent and the .5g that wouldn't dissolve didn't bother me much. For reference, the original material was brown, like rootbeer brown. It had a smell, but more of a sweet chemical smell then the anise smell. It had some characteristics similar to the anise smell, but was slightly different. When I first tried it, I wasn't really astounded by it. It was good but not great. Can't really talk about the hangover because I was doing a lot of drugs at the time.

So I washed, cooled, put in freezer and then poured liquid over filter paper to collect cleaned stuff. Evaporated the rest of the solvent and was left with ~5g (out of 28 grams of material. Additionally, in the dish that had the evaporated solvent, there was a very very sticky dark brown goo that had that same smell as described above. I can't tell you what it was but it was pretty gross. I ended up just collecting that 5g of brown powder and it tested positive via reagent for MDMA but I'm not gonna put it in my body. I did wash it once more but it still came out fairly brown, there wasn't much of a difference.

Report:

I tried the cleaned powder twice. Three weeks apart. Both experiences were similar however, on comedown of both I took a psychedelic. AL-LAD on the first trip, 300ug and LSD on the second, 150ug. Both MDMA experiences were very powerful. The comeup was very similar for both experiences, 40m and I felt it strongly. I took 140mg the first time and actually only 125mg the second time. The second time the come up took me by surprise. I actually got some nausea and smoked to weed to deal with it. It was an intense comeup, more intense than I had previously experienced in other MDMA experiences, even on larger doses. That second time, I actually had a difficult time getting comfortable which I've never had before. The initial rush just took me by such surprise that I had trouble adjusting. It took me a good 1.5-2 hours to really enjoy the peak and get comfortable which I found kind of interesting. Either way, I had some of the classic MDMA insight and empathy. Lots of good introspection and I wrote a bunch of notes on things I wanted to improve. I took LSD at T+3 and eventually that was really all I felt cause it took over.

Either way, I'm fully convinced that the acetone + IPA took out some impurities and I don't know what that brown goo was, or that 5g of other stuff, but I'm glad it's out even if I just discount it as loss. The product I have now is pretty close to an off white. It's more white than off. Crystalline, shiny.

Can't say that I really put any stock into the isomer theory but this felt like classic MDMA to me and had all the common symptoms. Hangover was not bad at all, and the second experience with 125mg MDMA and 150ug LSD left me pretty happy. I didn't go to sleep that night and actually played a music gig that next day. I actually still had mild LSD residual symptoms while playing. Got a great night's sleep that night and the next day, no hangover or anything. So take that as you will. I can post some pics of before and after if it's wanted.

Cheers!

Great to hear your washed MDMA provided you a more enjoyable experience and you were safely able to wash the impurities out. If you prefer larger crystals cool the solvent down slower by reducing heat on your heating element which will further remove impurities.

Did you use a boiling stone or broken matchstick to prevent the liquids from superheating?

This is something crucial in washing MDMA. Especially when you mentioned all the MDMA didn't disolve in the IPA solution (providing both solvents were anhydrous). You could have further extracted contaminants from the MDMA and may have super heated the liquids which would have caused a greater loss in yield.

I don't remember boiling solvents, You don't want to boil them just heat the anhydrous IPA solution slowly with a boiling stone and stir until all the MDxx is dissolved. This same procedure can also be applied to all amphetamines to my knowledge.

Though it's been years since my last wash and the gc/ms testing for isomer ratios is not on my high list of priorities currently. Since my last experience I feel like my neurotransmitter balance is nearly back to normal but I want to purchase some piracetam and consume it for a week or two prior to the experience of washed and unwashed MDMA.

 

[anon65535]

I didn't use a boiling stone because I wasn't using a boiling flask and the glass wasn't completely smooth. Superheating the solvents wasn't something that concerned me. I was using self-made anhydrous solvents, but I'm sure there was still some water in there, just the nature of the game. The material didn't completely dissolve because I had reached supersaturation and would've needed to add more solvent in order to get the rest dissolved. Out of the 28 grams, there was only maybe half a gram that was not dissolved. That didn't bother me.

There's no reason that I know of why you would need to heat the solvents slowly. They need to be hot in order to dissolve the MD. The speed at which you heat shouldn't matter, and I certainly wasn't doing it with an open flame. You're not going to destroy the compound by putting them in boiling acetone and IPA. I get them boiling, remove from heat, add MD, stir, heat and stir until all or most is dissolved. And I noticed no difference in potency. In fact, as I said, the potency seemed to increase and the product was more enjoyable.

If anyone wants some pics, I'll take em.

 

[scatterday]

Images would be much appreciated. Your reagents for washing MDMA should not boil. That's what a boiling stone is used for to prevent them from superheating and/or boiling.

Heating them up fast or slow doesn't matter but cooling them down slower is the important point I was trying to reference.

The slower they cool the larger the crystals and the purer the product is. I reduce heat gradually on my heating element them put it on the heater. Then transfer to a freezer.

By placing them in a freezer immediately you don't give the reagents, product and impurity time to separate properly.

Regardless of that though some images would be nice.

 

[anon65535]

Well they boiled, I wasn't too worried. I didn't keep them on a roaring boil, I kept removing it from the heating element to stir manually and and cool it. However, I did cool it down as slowly as possible. What I didn't want to do was crash it out of the solution too quickly to avoid the contaminants crashing out with the MD. So what I did was keep it on the heating element with it off until it got to room temp, put it in the fridge and then in the freezer for 24h. After that I filtered it.

I'll get some pics of the before and after.

 

[scatterday]

Well they boiled, I wasn't too worried. I didn't keep them on a roaring boil, I kept removing it from the heating element to stir manually and and cool it. However, I did cool it down as slowly as possible. What I didn't want to do was crash it out of the solution too quickly to avoid the contaminants crashing out with the MD. So what I did was keep it on the heating element with it off until it got to room temp, put it in the fridge and then in the freezer for 24h. After that I filtered it.

I'll get some pics of the before and after.

Sounds about right, For a ghetto method of washing your MDMA in anhydrous IPA you can use a matchstick for future reference with the red phosphorous bit on the end broken off and the wooden bit in the water. That's what I did and my solvents didn't boil even at full heat. Which also prevents your MDMA from breaking down due to the superheating of the solvents.

Never boil with acetone only pour the cold acetone over your unbleached coffee filter with mdma crystals unless you're performing a duel solvent recrystalization which is a little more complex. They should be brown in colour if they're unbleached.

Like a paper cardboard type material and you should be able to see fibres within the filter if it's unbleached.

 

[Glubrahnum]

I washed twice with 75:25 boiling Acetone:IPA.

This purification mixture does not make sense because 3,4-MDMA·HCl is not soluble in anhydrous Acetone but it is soluble in IPA.

 

[anon65535]

This purification mixture does not make sense because 3,4-MDMA·HCl is not soluble in anhydrous Acetone but it is soluble in IPA.

That's not exactly true. MDMA is more soluble in hot acetone. It is not soluble in cold acetone. Mixing 75:25 hot acetone and hot IPA gives good solubility for the crushed MDMA. Plus as I wrote about 10 pages back, with the different possible contaminants, some are soluble in acetone, others in alcohols. I think the best combination would be a triple solvent wash with acetone, methanol and ethanol but I stay far away from methanol. My feeling was getting out possible contaminants from the PMK glycidate.

I was very very happy with the results and I even grew some clear shards with the product afterwards just for fun, evaporating from 0ppm h2o. Though that was just for show, not really for use. When you go from dark brown to clear, you know you've done well. Eventually I'd love to do a distallation of freebase, I had put up a TEK about 10 pages ago but alas not at this time. That would be guaranteed to get the most pure product.

Will put up pictures tonight.

 

[scatterday]

That's not exactly true. MDMA is more soluble in hot acetone. It is not soluble in cold acetone. Mixing 75:25 hot acetone and hot IPA gives good solubility for the crushed MDMA. Plus as I wrote about 10 pages back, with the different possible contaminants, some are soluble in acetone, others in alcohols. I think the best combination would be a triple solvent wash with acetone, methanol and ethanol but I stay far away from methanol. My feeling was getting out possible contaminants from the PMK glycidate.

I was very very happy with the results and I even grew some clear shards with the product afterwards just for fun, evaporating from 0ppm h2o. Though that was just for show, not really for use. When you go from dark brown to clear, you know you've done well. Eventually I'd love to do a distallation of freebase, I had put up a TEK about 10 pages ago but alas not at this time. That would be guaranteed to get the most pure product.

Will put up pictures tonight.

Once I get around to my washes I'll do a youtube guide to demonstrate a triple anhydrous acetone solvent wash but it won't have MDMA in the title because they have been cracking down on drug related videos lately. Especially backyard chemistry.

Followed by a recrystalization in anhydrous IPA.

You'll be able to see right through the crystals they'll be so clear.

Almost like the crystal meth down this way but even more clearer. For harm reduction purposes I don't go near any of it, Seen to many friends and heard too many stories of people going down the wrong path and seeing friends become addicted and change who they once were.

I really despise meth and it's users.

Some with some MDMA recreationally once or twice a year is fine to give you the energetic feelings I miss but supposedly according to an MDMA chemist I spoke to years ago he mentioned it had to be amphetamine sulphate not meth.

Though pills circulating in my area in the 2000's era contained meth on our reagent kits and they were fantastic. I feel like the amphetamine may potentiate the MDMA because my last roll I smoked meth from a glass pipe and was rolling hard with so much energy I could have ran a marathon.

We used to get these things called speed rushes where waves of energy would flow through your body it was absolutely beautiful to experience.

You see and hear about all colors of MDMA but unless it's crystal clear it's not pure.

I'm sure in my next wash I can just about get it pharma pure.

Might even go a little overboard with a triple anhydrous acetone wash followed by an IPA recrystalization once the crystals have formed then a duel solvent recrystalization.

 

[scatterday]

Scatterday - I want to send your chemist a sample. Is that possible?

Yes that could possibly be arranged depending on your location and customs. He was only willing to test MDMA very few times he said but he's able to provide quantitative information which I should be able to provide with my pharma washed pure MDMA and then we can take a look at the isomer ratios because he has the equipment to do so.

He tested the xanax tablet for me and said by Wednesday he should have quantitative results for me because he needs to source a sample of alprazolam at a certain quantity to give me the quantitative information. It came back as alprazolam only and he claims there are no heavy metals in the tablet which I can be harmed by.

There should be roughly 2mg per pill though he was saying by the looks of the results.

Sorry I missed this request.

The tests aren't cheap but he's willing to negotiate pricing if I become a regular customer for him and send in samples regularly.

I had to pay 190aud for the test but the benefit we have with this laboratory is we get quantitative information and isomer ratios unlike edata who is forbidden to publish this information.

It would be best to contact him via email but I would like to send my samples in a month or two first before you send in yours. What he said to me was "I don't want pills showing up at my po box if that's understandable" and I agreed.

Currently this is my only valuable and reliable contact in Australia otherwise it would have been sent to edata.

I'd much rather perform these tests locally for a comprehensive breakdown of the substances I send him in terms of isomer ratios and quantitative information.

 

[Holly.3]

MDMA in the crystalline form, when tasted, what should it taste like? Should have a bit of a salty taste? Should it be slightly off-white to kind of a pale Light tan color?

 

[scatterday]

MDMA in crystaline form should never be taste tested and always reagent/lab tested. As above if cleaned correctly it should be crystal clear, The darker the MDMA the more impurities are trapped inside.

I've heard of all sorts of strange MDMA colours which include red and purple. It's all just a gimmick. If your MDMA is dark and not a champagne colour the chemist was lazy during the final parts of the purification in it's synthesis. Even champagne coloured MDMA is a result of a lazy chemist.

There is no other way of identifying your substance. Please identify correctly. Test kits can be purchased via the advertisement at the top of http://www.pillreports.net. It's where I buy mine from.

It should taste chemically bitter, That's the only way to desribe it and it should have a feint aniseed/root beer/licorice smell.

 

[anon65535]

Okay here are the pictures. No flash used on any pictures. First one is a sample of the original product, other three are the cleaned product.

 

[scatterday]

Thanks for the photo's the washed product looks much better, Has all the solvent completely evaporated off it or does it still have a solvent smell?

It looks a little moist in the first washed image.

Your initial rocks looks disgusting in terms of colour, They're so dark and brown. Who knows what you would have washed out in that process that could have been extremely neurotoxic and harmful for you. I'd say most likely by-products from the synthesis.

Too many lazy scumbag chemists these days and not enough good ones out there.

 

[userlee5267]

Okay here are the pictures. No flash used on any pictures. First one is a sample of the original product, other three are the cleaned product.

are the pics still visible? i cant seem to see them lol

 

[userlee5267]

the price of mdma as gone up in the uk... <<edited out>> but from what i can see and hear is that its the mongy dutch mdma mostly... so it doesnt seem to have gone any cheaper here

 

[anon65535]

Thanks for the photo's the washed product looks much better, Has all the solvent completely evaporated off it or does it still have a solvent smell?

It looks a little moist in the first washed image.

Your initial rocks looks disgusting in terms of colour, They're so dark and brown. Who knows what you would have washed out in that process that could have been extremely neurotoxic and harmful for you. I'd say most likely by-products from the synthesis.

Too many lazy scumbag chemists these days and not enough good ones out there.

No solvent smell at all and it's not moist, just how it looks on camera. The original as I described had a vaguely chemical smell. Sort of sweet but with some weirdness with it. I found the small hard to place, but it was not the normal anise/sass/root beer smell. it was sort of like that, but with a chemical tinge to it. Very strange. The cleaned compound has no smell. Also as noted, the vast majority of it dissolved in the hot anhydrous solvents and it was slowly crashed out of the solution as it cooled. The crystals were crushed extremely finely before cleaning and afterwards, it had a different look and a slightly fluffier texture. It was less rock salt like, and more floury (but definitely not a flour like consistency). It was in that bag so there was some compression going on probably leading to what you see. It's a fine powder.

The trip report speaks for itself IMO. Whatever was causing the brown color and smell has been removed and now I have a white/off-white powder. I see no reason to recrystallize as you crush it when you take it anyway. I think that's done mostly for dealers which I am not. But as I said as well, I did recrystallize a small portion, like a gram in 0ppm H2O for fun and ended up with small clear shards. I couldn't get anything bigger than about .2g though and that was with me evaporating it SLOWLY. Growing racemic crystals is not too easy. They ended up in a rhomboid shape mostly and fairly small. The biggest was 0.2g, the rest were small and very fragile--quite easy to break. IMO not worth it, just fun for show.

I will agree, definitely a lot of laziness in the chemistry department. It would behoove them to distill the freebase to end up with as pure of a product as possible, but that takes time and money to do so I guess it's just not worth it. I actually blame the dark markets for this. Those markets were a race to the bottom for prices and quality suffered since the majority of people neither know nor care. I'd venture to guess my stuff is fairly pure now. Not 100%, but I'd say it's safely in the 90s and has a good effect on the user. Very potent, fast acting and has the right qualities. I'm very happy with the result whereas I was not prior to cleaning. Prior to cleaning, the stuff left effects to be desired. Not sure what I'm gonna do with the ~3-5g of brown powder I have. Maybe I'll take a picture of that and show you guys. I ain't putting it in my body, that's for damn sure.

 

[G_Chem]

Yea that first pic is a great example of some of the garbage people sell out there, I'd be afraid to consume that. Definitely looks better after the cleanup.

So I went to a small festival last weekend and saw the love I've been missing at most events as of lately. Also should be noted there was a lot of mdma and MDA floating around that had that safrole smell to it.

It got me thinking though, why is MDA so common in areas of the world that still have safrole mdma yet MDA is really rare in places like certain parts of Europe where MDA is actually more expensive.

Around here MDA is almost more common and if it's sass it's usually fairly cheap. Sass which as most know is typically slang for impure MDA, can vary a lot in purity. I obtained a few .1g's out of curiosity for rather cheap and it was brown yet very obvious crystals that were fused together with the residual oils. I've heard that some people prefer the impure sass over pure MDA as it is stronger. Haven't enough experience to know.

I believe we should look into why MDA is so rare in parts where the mongy mdma epidemic to better narrow down which synth route is problematic.

-GC

 

[scatterday]

Yea that first pic is a great example of some of the garbage people sell out there, I'd be afraid to consume that. Definitely looks better after the cleanup.

So I went to a small festival last weekend and saw the love I've been missing at most events as of lately. Also should be noted there was a lot of mdma and MDA floating around that had that safrole smell to it.

It got me thinking though, why is MDA so common in areas of the world that still have safrole mdma yet MDA is really rare in places like certain parts of Europe where MDA is actually more expensive.

Around here MDA is almost more common and if it's sass it's usually fairly cheap. Sass which as most know is typically slang for impure MDA, can vary a lot in purity. I obtained a few .1g's out of curiosity for rather cheap and it was brown yet very obvious crystals that were fused together with the residual oils. I've heard that some people prefer the impure sass over pure MDA as it is stronger. Haven't enough experience to know.

I believe we should look into why MDA is so rare in parts where the mongy mdma epidemic to better narrow down which synth route is problematic.

-GC

If I recall correctly I remember reading up somewhere that MDMA synthesis and MDA synthesis are very similar and easy. Though as far as I know I have no extra information that's all I can provide. The synthesis are very similar.

Perhaps with piperanol MDA is more difficult to synthesise but with MDMA it's still relatively easy?

 

[anon65535]

Plenty of canadian MDA. Strong shit, too. I have some really beautiful clear MDA. MDA gives me a horrible hangover though. Takes me a full day minimum to get over it and I still feel it the day after that. Definitely fun, but not to be taken lightly. It's a solid 6-8 hour experience for me. Really big body buzz, can be rough on the come up. I generally need to smoke a little on the come up or I run the risk of vomiting. Shit can really take you by surprise, even at 90-100mg. It's an interesting drug. Through 4 hours, it's pretty similar to MDMA, almost indistinguishable from it in my view. If anything, the only way you may be able to tell is that it has a stronger body buzz. But after four hours, when MDMA starts to fade, MDA is still there. You definitely feel it for another good 3 hours and then it fades but for those 3 years you get some trippiness while the MDMA feeling fades.

Strange stuff, but not unpleasant in any sense. The issue I always have with MDA is the hangover, it really gets you bad where MDMA doesn't give me anything close to that.