Yes, they are both equally important factors. Reflect, why you are taking Kratom in the first place. Does Kratom provide a solution for your use case ? Yes ? No ? If yes, is the dose maintainable ? No ? Why not stop for a while and see how it goes ? Kratom is not a overly obvious intoxicator, which screws up your plans when you stop taking it. It is subtle enough to fuck your life slowly and lure you into a mental space, where you think, that you are dependent, but you are actually NOT. You just think you are. The withdrawals are mostly mental.
If you take Kratom functionally to better perform in a certain task, that's your choice. But imho Kratom is a mental depressant. It inhibits mental growth. It is a sweet, subtle lie. There are moments in life, when you need that lie. But most of the time it is just counterproductive.
Wow, although I somewhat actually agree with you in some ways, I hadn't really expected a somewhat "anti-Kratom" post at the moment haha, not that I think you are preaching or anything cause I don't really think you are, just stating some psychological facts.
Well for me, I never would think personally it would be good for me to use it non-stop without taking LONG breaks here and there of a few months.
I got to using it way too much, even though I never used it more than 4 days a week (only once did it I use it 5 days in a week and never did 6) and took a little more than 10 months off but had actually planned on entirely quitting, if not forever, at least for years.
While I use it for fun I do also use it for anxiety and depression I guess (also working out) but without really CONSCIOUSLY self-medicating, but being aware that I am.
At the ridiculous doses I was taking my WD only lasted 6 days but did make me pretty non-functional for 4 of them but then I was fine but I'm still not ever going to let myself get into that spot again.
I guess I at least PARTIALLY agree with you if what you are saying is that using it as a performance enhancer is counter productive because you come to rely on it, or if you think you are using it to solve some sort of problem, because by and large pretty much no substance (unless it's medicine) ever really "solves" any problem.
But in that way I don't really think it's different than any other of the substances which can either be crutches or performance enhancers in any way.
I guess in some ways it's similar mentally to something like Adderall that isn't SUPER addictive or destructive and which is often performance enhancing and can be taken frequently while you go about your day, where you will kind of subtly grow mentally dependent on it and sort of "weaken your will" by not forcing yourself through the discomforts of life that you'd have without it since it sort of makes everything seem "easier" in a way.
Then again, any drug used too often for ANY reason can become a way of avoiding life.
Some people might say that one is better off if they use drugs to be productive while on them (which is generally a good idea) while others might say the opposite that really it's better not to lie to yourself and acknowledge you are generally wasting time when you use your drug of choice and just doing it to enjoy yourself.
I think there's a little truth in both ideas but if you CAN use a drug to be productive (which IMO Kratom is good for) then it's probably better to be able to later see progress you made on a task you did on Kratom when you are actually sober, then think you just totally wasted your time....if having fun is actually wasting your time that is hahaha.
Yeah, as some smart people tend to say "all growth is meant to be painful" and "if things are too easy then they are probably not very productive".
But as long as you are honest with yourself about that stuff I think moderation is ok.
While I'm enjoying myself a bit now, and only started using it again for the first time in 10 months about 3 weeks ago, I'm almost positive it won't be more than a few months give or take before I stop for another few months as I just find constant use to eventually start to become counterproductive like you said, and take time off before I go back to it...assuming it's still legal that is...
I started taking Kratom regularly against chronic pain (after a serious fracture), later also as a stim substitute. After I stopped taking it I feel actually less pain in the affected area than while on it. Go figure.
This does not mean, you shot stop NOW. Just reflect your use and beware, that you should not be scared of the WD at all. It is mere fearmongering.
I'm not fear mongering.
I just had like 6 uncomfortable days from using too much back 10 months ago so I am being smarter this time around and I'm trying to gauge if my WDs will be less if I'm using fewer grams per day (which is OBVIOUSLY the case) and was just wondering which of the 2 people felt is the bigger factor.
Obviously Kratom WD is never really THAT bad, but it can suck for a few days.
