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This was my fifth experience with 4-HO-EPT, and my first time smoking it rather than taking it orally. Previously I have used 4-HO-EPT at 25, 40, 65, and 100 mg, so I decided to start over again at 25 mg for this new route of administration. Since I figured that this trip would probably have a relatively short duration, maybe around an hour I was guessing, I decided to try an idea I had been told of but hadn't yet found the opportunity to: smoking a tryptamine and riding out the whole duration while in a hot bath. Given that bathing is already a favorite activity of mine while tripping, this seemed like a great idea and I was ready to give it a shot.
My previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, and MDMA. My most recent trip was a two weeks before this on 300 ug of AL-LAD.
T-0:15 - At about this point I decided that I was going to go for it, started psyching myself up for it, weighed out the 25 mg of 4-HO-EPT, prepared a bowl of cannabis to lace it in, and started running the bath for myself. With much anticipation, though not too much given that this tends to be a pretty gentle chemical in my experience so far, I got in the water and started relaxing.
T+0:00 - When I felt just right, I picked up the bowl and started smoking, finishing it about five minutes later. As I was smoking it I was already beginning to smile much like I generally do while coming up on a psychedelic, and I could tell that my vision was starting to blur just a little bit. Mostly I could just feel the cannabis coming on strongly though, so I just finished up and then leaned back in the water a bit more to let it wash over me.
I had my eyes closed at first, and this is when the most interesting visual phase occurred, but it still wasn't much. My experience with smoking 4-substituted tryptamines in the past typically has not found a large increase in potency, and this seems to be the case here too as this is not too different from my experience with 25 mg orally in strength. It's hard to say whether that's just because they work that way or because I just don't know how to smoke them right, but that's been my experience so far.
However, there were a few qualitative differences to the trip from the oral route so far. Though what did develop didn't get far, I could tell that the geometry that was trying to emerge had the potential to be very extreme. There were many colorful specks mixed among it all and occasionally the static blobs I could see would start organizing into shapes beginning to resemble very large and geometrically complex faces. Overall, I felt that these closed eye visuals were less alike a low but active dose of oral 4-HO-DPT like I had gotten with my 25 mg oral trip on this, and a bit more like a low dose of DMT visual-wise, or perhaps even more accurately MET, but I can't speak much about that one yet. I did feel a distinct similarity between these two as well though, in that they both felt strong but also gentle and reminded me of a more forgiving DMT but slower-acting and longer-lasting. That's not to say that they were exactly the same though, as my experience with MET so far was definitely still much heavier feeling in comparison to 4-HO-EPT like I'd expect from a classic psychedelic, even if it is still less than DMT.
The visuals were interesting, but that was pretty much the most I got out of them. When I opened my eyes I also felt that the bathroom tiles around me were warping and waving a little bit more than they had with this strength trip through the oral route, but still not that much. More significantly I was enjoying the buzzing body high that had started slowly setting in, which has generally been a core feature of my past 4-HO-EPT experiences as well. It was nice that it came on faster than I was used to and the bath just amplified the comfort it brought and the lack of body load, and I started stretching around and just letting all of the tension out of my body. I also had an iPad next to the tub and put on some music that was very nicely enhanced, and combined with everything else it just put me in a very euphoric state overall. I couldn't help but notice as well that, much like I've grown accustomed to with 4-HO-EPT, there was something particularly LSD-like about the euphoria too, like it was reaching the absolute highest potential of hedonistic bliss, though still much more calm and relaxed than I generally feel on lysergamides. It's worth noting as well that the intensity of this particular trip was not high enough to be as euphoric as that description probably makes it sound, I've just taken LSD enough times to be able to tell when different types of euphoria have qualities that particularly resemble it even when they're at lower doses.
T+0:30 - At this point I switched from more orchestral music to EDM just to shake things up. I think it was a wise decision, as the relaxation I had been feeling converted just a little bit to energy and I enjoyed just letting it out my constantly rolling around in the tub and enjoying different positions. This music also brought out the hedonistic mindset of this chemical a bit more, which was helping me get little tingly rushes of energy through my body every so often.
T+1:00 - The euphoria has been slowly fading away and the visuals are all gone, but I do still get a nice tingle here and there. I stopped listening to music and decided to bring myself to orgasm at this point, just to make the most of what remained of the trip before it was all gone. There were a couple of notable things about it, the first of which was that as soon as I started I saw a quick, vivid but transparent flash of a cartoon image of a gray alien in the texture of the bathroom wall, which I personally thought was awesome and hilarious. Then, as I was getting lost in my sexual imagination, it occurred to me to think of something I saw the other day that really turned me on, and the image came to mind so vividly that I briefly became distracted wondering if I could train myself to have a photographic memory from now on. It really was one of the most incredible visual memory recalls I think I've ever had, it was practically like seeing it all over again. Also, the orgasm was good, not overly fantastic or anything but nice, and it came pretty easily considering that I had dosed on something.
I got out of the bath after that and definitely felt sober, and I had all of my normal movement capabilities and whatnot so I stopped taking any notes. I had a pretty relaxed day hanging out with family after that and was generally in a good mood and enjoying myself, and the only off thing that happened is that I briefly got a headache around T+7:00, which I could not detect anymore within the hour.
In the end this was a pretty nice trip, mild of course but in no way unsatisfying, keeping in line with what I've generally experienced with 4-HO-EPT before. Since it was so short-lived and not particularly hallucinogenic I really don't have too much more to say about that I haven't already mentioned here, but I'll just say I'd definitely consider doing it again if I was looking for this kind of experience. One of the reasons I've actually been so excited about 4-HO-EPT is that I think it may be the lightest psychedelic I've ever taken that is still recreationally fulfilling, like I could take it with much less hesitation than most chemicals on a day that I'm not even sure I'd be willing to take some chemicals at all and be fine, and this experience just kind of added to that and showed the utility of also being able to have it be quicker-acting and shorter-lasting via the inhalation route. Nonetheless, I am still interested in trying to break through to the stronger hallucinogenic effects of this chemical as well, and so to ensure more efficient absorption through a still relatively rapid route I think I may end up trying 25 mg of 4-HO-EPT insufflated next time instead, or perhaps I will just jump up until 50 mg.
But until then, that's all I've got!
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My previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, and MDMA. My most recent trip was a two weeks before this on 300 ug of AL-LAD.
T-0:15 - At about this point I decided that I was going to go for it, started psyching myself up for it, weighed out the 25 mg of 4-HO-EPT, prepared a bowl of cannabis to lace it in, and started running the bath for myself. With much anticipation, though not too much given that this tends to be a pretty gentle chemical in my experience so far, I got in the water and started relaxing.
T+0:00 - When I felt just right, I picked up the bowl and started smoking, finishing it about five minutes later. As I was smoking it I was already beginning to smile much like I generally do while coming up on a psychedelic, and I could tell that my vision was starting to blur just a little bit. Mostly I could just feel the cannabis coming on strongly though, so I just finished up and then leaned back in the water a bit more to let it wash over me.
I had my eyes closed at first, and this is when the most interesting visual phase occurred, but it still wasn't much. My experience with smoking 4-substituted tryptamines in the past typically has not found a large increase in potency, and this seems to be the case here too as this is not too different from my experience with 25 mg orally in strength. It's hard to say whether that's just because they work that way or because I just don't know how to smoke them right, but that's been my experience so far.
However, there were a few qualitative differences to the trip from the oral route so far. Though what did develop didn't get far, I could tell that the geometry that was trying to emerge had the potential to be very extreme. There were many colorful specks mixed among it all and occasionally the static blobs I could see would start organizing into shapes beginning to resemble very large and geometrically complex faces. Overall, I felt that these closed eye visuals were less alike a low but active dose of oral 4-HO-DPT like I had gotten with my 25 mg oral trip on this, and a bit more like a low dose of DMT visual-wise, or perhaps even more accurately MET, but I can't speak much about that one yet. I did feel a distinct similarity between these two as well though, in that they both felt strong but also gentle and reminded me of a more forgiving DMT but slower-acting and longer-lasting. That's not to say that they were exactly the same though, as my experience with MET so far was definitely still much heavier feeling in comparison to 4-HO-EPT like I'd expect from a classic psychedelic, even if it is still less than DMT.
The visuals were interesting, but that was pretty much the most I got out of them. When I opened my eyes I also felt that the bathroom tiles around me were warping and waving a little bit more than they had with this strength trip through the oral route, but still not that much. More significantly I was enjoying the buzzing body high that had started slowly setting in, which has generally been a core feature of my past 4-HO-EPT experiences as well. It was nice that it came on faster than I was used to and the bath just amplified the comfort it brought and the lack of body load, and I started stretching around and just letting all of the tension out of my body. I also had an iPad next to the tub and put on some music that was very nicely enhanced, and combined with everything else it just put me in a very euphoric state overall. I couldn't help but notice as well that, much like I've grown accustomed to with 4-HO-EPT, there was something particularly LSD-like about the euphoria too, like it was reaching the absolute highest potential of hedonistic bliss, though still much more calm and relaxed than I generally feel on lysergamides. It's worth noting as well that the intensity of this particular trip was not high enough to be as euphoric as that description probably makes it sound, I've just taken LSD enough times to be able to tell when different types of euphoria have qualities that particularly resemble it even when they're at lower doses.
T+0:30 - At this point I switched from more orchestral music to EDM just to shake things up. I think it was a wise decision, as the relaxation I had been feeling converted just a little bit to energy and I enjoyed just letting it out my constantly rolling around in the tub and enjoying different positions. This music also brought out the hedonistic mindset of this chemical a bit more, which was helping me get little tingly rushes of energy through my body every so often.
T+1:00 - The euphoria has been slowly fading away and the visuals are all gone, but I do still get a nice tingle here and there. I stopped listening to music and decided to bring myself to orgasm at this point, just to make the most of what remained of the trip before it was all gone. There were a couple of notable things about it, the first of which was that as soon as I started I saw a quick, vivid but transparent flash of a cartoon image of a gray alien in the texture of the bathroom wall, which I personally thought was awesome and hilarious. Then, as I was getting lost in my sexual imagination, it occurred to me to think of something I saw the other day that really turned me on, and the image came to mind so vividly that I briefly became distracted wondering if I could train myself to have a photographic memory from now on. It really was one of the most incredible visual memory recalls I think I've ever had, it was practically like seeing it all over again. Also, the orgasm was good, not overly fantastic or anything but nice, and it came pretty easily considering that I had dosed on something.
I got out of the bath after that and definitely felt sober, and I had all of my normal movement capabilities and whatnot so I stopped taking any notes. I had a pretty relaxed day hanging out with family after that and was generally in a good mood and enjoying myself, and the only off thing that happened is that I briefly got a headache around T+7:00, which I could not detect anymore within the hour.
In the end this was a pretty nice trip, mild of course but in no way unsatisfying, keeping in line with what I've generally experienced with 4-HO-EPT before. Since it was so short-lived and not particularly hallucinogenic I really don't have too much more to say about that I haven't already mentioned here, but I'll just say I'd definitely consider doing it again if I was looking for this kind of experience. One of the reasons I've actually been so excited about 4-HO-EPT is that I think it may be the lightest psychedelic I've ever taken that is still recreationally fulfilling, like I could take it with much less hesitation than most chemicals on a day that I'm not even sure I'd be willing to take some chemicals at all and be fine, and this experience just kind of added to that and showed the utility of also being able to have it be quicker-acting and shorter-lasting via the inhalation route. Nonetheless, I am still interested in trying to break through to the stronger hallucinogenic effects of this chemical as well, and so to ensure more efficient absorption through a still relatively rapid route I think I may end up trying 25 mg of 4-HO-EPT insufflated next time instead, or perhaps I will just jump up until 50 mg.
But until then, that's all I've got!
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It does sound a good bit more active than this smoked 25 mg dose was too. I think I may just go with the 50 mg after all though, as I'm afraid below that might not be that much more active than 100 mg oral and I'm ready to see where it goes when it breaks beyond that threshold. I think I will try nasal 4-HO-DPT at that dose first though, both for comparison and just to see what all the fuss is about.
