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4-methylaminorex (4-MAR)

Ive tried ice a few times, maybe 4. I didnt enjoy any of them as I used to be quite in to MDPV which is on another level.

A friend brought over some crystal and a pipe quite unexpectedly. As im not much of a fan and not but alwya will give it a go so we both smoked.

A small rock seemed to last forever and the thing I remember the most is a few hours in I felt like id taken MDMA, gurning slightly, upside down smile, licking my lips, a bit mongy and feeling all happy plus pretty good horn. Was like a subtle MDMA experience which I remember thinking was strange

Does this sound like 4-mar?
 
It's really hard to say dude - a lot of people get an MDMA-esque feeling from methamphetamine the first few times they use it.

How long did it last? That's probably the best metric, every time I smoked 4-MAR I was awake a good 14 - 18 hours after my last pipe, while usually with meth I can crash out after 12 hours at the worst.
 
Crankinit said:
It's really hard to say dude - a lot of people get an MDMA-esque feeling from methamphetamine the first few times they use it.

How long did it last? That's probably the best metric, every time I smoked 4-MAR I was awake a good 14 - 18 hours after my last pipe, while usually with meth I can crash out after 12 hours at the worst.
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I was up all night and well in to the next day, we started Saturday and stopped pretty early Sunday morning and I actually started to panic I wouldnt be able to work the next day.

Felt a lot less speedy than the other times Id tried Meph, this time I quite enjoyed it apart from there was a slight confusing side to it, almost a dumbing down feel
 
From my experience I wouldn't say 4-mar feels "dumbing down," I always found it an extremely clear, lucid experience. But who knows - these days it could have been pretty much fucking anything.
 
Let me just clear some things up for the punters really quick. neither of those pics are 4-mar, any pure/active isomer of 4-mar, or any combination thereof. Those are just two different types of ice(i.e.: cut methamphetamine) of varying production quality/cut/perhaps origin. the cuts themselves and how theyre cooked in with the active ingredient itself, will affect reaction to certain reagent tests, in a perhaps misleading way.

4-mar is indeed a fabled unicorn, there's no reason to produce it commercially it has not the reinforcing or ability to be cut in the same way as methamphetamine.

The end.

zephyr is propbably the one to listen to about pure stuff but

zephyr said:
Yeah well ...I have been too chicken to look at my old photos of the gear. The crystals were not quite like the photos in this thread. Ill have to stop being a dick and just look at the bloody pics.

Huge, slightly yellow ugly brick like heavy crystals. Most far too big to fit in a pipe.

It was crazy shit. People would do anything to get their hands on it.

Its a good drug but I really did underestimate its staying power.

I dont really know ways to tell it apart easily from meth unless there is a pocket sized spectrophotometer on the market.

It burns beautifully, smokes forever and doesnt need much heat at all.

The only way I think to tell if its 4MAR is if the gear is cut as the usual cutter used in meth is used by some to cut their 4MAR.

They dont smoke the same at all and the crystals look like they have white speckles in them.



The 4 MAR back in the day had no cutter unless it went through a lot of dealer's hands.
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this is most likely just extremely high purity d-methamphetamine. the "yellow brick crystals" gives it away.
 
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I enjoyed 4mar. It was far less push than meth/ice. Was always so clean.

However, pv for pure hedonism hands down. If you arent concerned with the lack of outside world, apvp crystal outshine both, although much more demanding and therfore addictive.
4mar was the best to keep addictictive tendencies away out of the three.
Could "manage "usage with much more responsibility
 
Cool, yeah mate I never tried cathinones other than methylone but I've heard good and bad things about apvp. Out here in California alot of the shittier street ice is spiked with it since the ban, they call it flakka or some retarded name or just "go fast", "dope", "shit" (the flakka dope is literally shit but then again so is most ice Imo some stuff can be saved somewhat with an acetone wash but it's always a crapshoot so I stopped wasting money on it (what am I doing in the 4mar thread? Reading about others experiences and posting anecdotes/advice helps me intellectualize and cope with my addiction)
 
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It's the same schedule as methamphetamine, I believe. So very much illegal, yes :p
 
Extremely and highly illegal. Punishable by death for even a small personal amount in some countries, in others a lengthy prison sentence and/or permanently botched and embarassing record. Let's not give anyone any ideas please. This chem is too good for it to go the way of d-methamphetamine or mdma
 
g0to said:
4-mar is indeed a fabled unicorn, there's no reason to produce it commercially it has not the reinforcing or ability to be cut in the same way as methamphetamine.

The end.
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It was quite popular in Australia for a while. Lots of people preferred it to methamphetamine, it came in a variety of appearances and it can definitely be cut.
 
Nah dude that is complete bullshit. Show me some gc/ms, NMR or IR data of that. That's right, you cannot. Because it never existed. It's just another hype tactic for pushers to keep selling cut or so-called methamphetamine.

I'd be extremely glad for you to prove me wrong. Perhaps at some point, or in extremely small personal batches it was indeed made and shared, but you can bet your ass that the people that have that KNOW how good it is, it is a unique extreme self-limiting entactogen chemical along the lines of 2c-t-2/2c-t-7/4-ho-mipt, and anyone worth their salt is not going to be selling it, its not something you can buy or sell for a smaller or greater price than what it actually is, you dont get something for nothing with the good ones.
 
It's not like 4-MAR is extracted from the nectar of an exotic flower that can only be found on a lone island guarded by swarms of megaladon. It can be synthed with relative ease in comparison to the thousands of far more complicated and obscure chemicals currently available at much cheaper prices..

Cut methamphetamine is no comparison. Not even close.
 
That stuff a few posts up was if i have to guess the top pic, 10/15-75% (idk this is totally out of my ass but still ive had batches looking like that have been complete crap, batches that have been rushy crap, other batches that have been really really good (these are usually more shiny/seems like they glimmer in the light, shiny is not really the word for it. Usually they seem like they are all curved the same way and the shapes are similar in their irregularness.

The bottom pic seemed like it may be better overall, honestly but there is stuff that looks just like that that is simply slightly rushy with a duration of like 8-12 hours. Not exactly sure what it is but definitely is not meth. Usually I've seen most people that are on heroin or benzos from the same dealer as the ice, will get sold this stuff. Then there is a seperate batch of the people who are seen as able to jack up their high and tolerance in order to keep making money off them. It's raelly a crappy scene. Not talking down on it or anything but it is really mostly bad, no matter what way one looks at it. Sure there are good parts though but picking up like that and comparing batches without taking breaks of more than like a week or less, its not really that great long-term.

It's my opinion that 9 out of 10 times 4-mar is supposedly identified, it's just a much higher purity of methamphetamine than the individual is used to. Although who knows, there could be custom batches of d-meth mixed with 4-mar with some slight cut. The main reason about the cuts is, it doesn't smoke properly. This can be seen if acetone wash your own personal bag and then test different cuts you read are common online on your stuff, to see how it smokes and thus you can kind of reverse-engineer to find some knowledge about what exactly is in the bag of street meth you have, without having to send it in for testing (which would be expensive/more illegal in some countries/just a hassle overall for someone who is going thru a good amount. Honestly when it is not diluted at all it is just too strong (talking about d-methamp)
Just my $.02
 
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Wiserthanearlier said:
I enjoyed 4mar. It was far less push than meth/ice. Was always so clean.

However, pv for pure hedonism hands down. If you arent concerned with the lack of outside world, apvp crystal outshine both, although much more demanding and therfore addictive.
4mar was the best to keep addictictive tendencies away out of the three.
Could "manage "usage with much more responsibility
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APVP has a rather chemical taste and unnatural side to it where as MDPV on the other hand has an organic taste and feel to it.

Im not a fan of staying up for days or going as fast as possible. MDPV when approached in the right way, is one of the most euphoric, relaxing and lovely drugs Ive ever tried.

When you pace yourself on MDPV and know how to enjoy it, it's incredible. It doesn't exist any more as far as my searches go
 
Good meth is good, 4-mar, is even better, end of thread... wow you guys I cant believe some of the responses in this thread TBH (after re-reading it for a 5th or 6th!!! time)
 
g0to said:
Good meth is good, 4-mar, is even better, end of thread... wow you guys I cant believe some of the responses in this thread TBH (after re-reading it for a 5th or 6th!!! time)
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lol and who the fuck are you? No offense. End of thread i actually agree with you there so o your bike. For your information, i have had 4mar many times, and looks can change simply from times of certain things even when the same purity. And princess, those picks u were referring too if u read my posts you would see. Although your so charged up on your own bullshit arrogance that u probably did. For anyone here in the interest of harm reduction and not being misinformed.. i can ASSURE you it its 4mar. I wasn't "told" it was for mar. In fact, i could probably guess its purity right down to the percent (just from the experience....not going to break guidelines by continuing) So g0to, get your head out of your arse and stay off this thread...take your own advice.)
 
Man, heard Soo much about the REAL ICE,but NEVER got it offered,here there is just CRAP Czech Piko(ultra bad"speed".
Lucky SOO LUCKY you peeps who got Access, I am drooling?
(Drooling NOTSOurcing ,mods!)
Always thought it was big in Hawaii.
In a series of that"Dog,bountyhunter"one of his sons goes to jail for doing it and they show a"ICE pipe"but its never clear if it isnt meth. Fester got that wrong too.
 
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I think anyone that has been around here knows you are on the money Andyturbo. GoTo is just jealous.
 
Yeah I was charged up writing that post. Who am I? Someone with loads of experience giving my 2 cents. This is a public forum so I don't think I have to explain myself any further.

You yourself seem a bit charged up bro. As far as I can see, you've provided no evidence so as to the validity of your claims, while I personally have only given my opinion. I'm not saying you have shit quality- excuse me if it comes off that way. I'm just calling into question the validity of you claim that that is 4-mar and not methamphetamine, to which youve not provided any further proof other than your word.

So by what method do you determine what it is you have? There are a myriad of different ratios a pure batch of meth can look, smell, feel, and duration. Pseudoephedrine and ephedrine (I think) look exactly like meth and crack back in the same manner. So a bag 40% unreacted pseudo the rest meth will be very hard to discern from fully reacted. All I want is more proof, seeing as I myself have been searching for this ever elusive 4-mar in inexpensive street bags for.. Going on half a decade now? So I want to get to the bottom of it as well.

One thing to note, if your that sure, and you can guess and I paraphrase "purity down to the last percent", then I would say it is you that is inappropriately charged up. No hard feelings and I understand, I really do.
 
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