EADD-Heroin-Discussion-v-XXIII-New shit - same old problems

[steewith2ees]

1.So u know how u gotta withdraw some blood before shooting.. if i pull it back and theres no blood only air that means i missed but is it possible to miss even if u still withdrew blood ?

Yes

2. why do i need to apply pressure after i i take out the fit ?

Helps stop bruising around the injection site. As Fubar has said though, keep it up and a few bruises will be the least damage done mate...

3. u know sometimes when i take blood out before shooting it in, sometimes the blood is bright red and sometimes its full dark. do u know why that is ?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need to check yourself now my friend, light red, pink and frothy blood is a good sign you have hit an artery. If this happens - remove the rig IMMEDIATELY and apply pressure to stop the bleeding. Call an ambulance if it does not stop. You will know about it if you inject into an artery - it will hurt like shit and if you are not careful you could lose a limb or life.

Dark red indicates you have hit a vein and it is safe(er) to inject (than into an artery).

EDIT: Have a read of the PDF linked from below quachiieee

Exchange Supplies 'Better Injecting' PDF

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/pdf/D4.pdf

 

[Bella Figura]

I butchered my arms when trying to IV - similarly to you I would get a rash which looked like a histamine reaction or something starting to spread from the injection site all along my arm and became terribly bruised / discoloured.

Guessing I must've missed a bunch of times - thankfully never hit an artery although i think I hit a nerve in my elbow once and that send shivers down my spine. I could post pics of what my arm looked like - but I reckon stee gave the best advice - if in doubt - go to a hospital ASAP - it's not worth losing a limb over. That's what stopped me IV'ing, I knew I'd end up with an abscess / amputated limb eventually (if not dead, locked up etc).

Take care of yourself - seek help!

 

[consumer]

what do you mean danger ??

Head dowb the road you are on much further and well...you will probably end up at the gaol or cemetery.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I thought I had good veins. I thought I had good technique. I thought I was indestructible. I was wrong on all counts. It's now nearly a decade since I stopped IV heroin. I'm only just starting to see my veins return. My hands were swollen for years from endless digging to find the smallest vein I could inject my mixture of citric acid, water, caffeine, random cuts, and a little bit of diamorphine into. My body bears scars like cigarette burns from missing what were little more than capillaries. I was lucky. I never went so far as to use my femoral or jugular veins. But in short, I was a fuckin prick...

 

[Bella Figura]

Yep - I had bulging surface veins I was told by fellow IV users I should be a piece of piss (I suppose it is when he was hitting his groin and neck...) - but lo and behold it took a few days of trial and error and by the time I finally 'nailed' it, it hit me that it was all downhill from here and it was time to make a choice...

Mostly fucking glad I didn't OD as there was no one around had I gone over. Which is kinda what I was hoping for at the time.

 

[consumer]

I thought I had good veins. I thought I had good technique. I thought I was indestructible. I was wrong on all counts. It's now nearly a decade since I stopped IV heroin. I'm only just starting to see my veins return. My hands were swollen for years from endless digging to find the smallest vein I could inject my mixture of citric acid, water, caffeine, random cuts, and a little bit of diamorphine into. My body bears scars like cigarette burns from missing what were little more than capillaries. I was lucky. I never went so far as to use my femoral or jugular veins. But in short, I was a fuckin prick...

Well the bad news is when you lose a vein its gone for good. You dont grow new ones and damaged ones dont improve either as the bodies method of repair is to create scar tissue...which of course makes veins worse. Injecting anything unsterile is asking for major health problems..its just not a good idea on so many levels.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Well the bad news is when you lose a vein its gone for good. You dont grow new ones and damaged ones dont improve either as the bodies method of repair is to create scar tissue...which of course makes veins worse. Injecting anything unsterile is asking for major health problems..its just not a good idea on so many levels.

No, I realise that. All that happens is smaller veins become more prominent as they swell to cope with the blood flow. They look great until you decide to stick a pin in there - then 'bam', it's gone...

 

[fightingthetoot]

Hardcore!! All the pinners, am mere tooting, my little mate was digging all over he managed to get it but still was tragic watching a 18 year with a decent live , trying him self all over , he's in love with drugs, for a week there was crack!! Doing crazy turns for shit drugs, got the bandit head on!!

Last night , mad on it, woke up today 10 blues in me, taxi phoned and a swig of Bally castle , aldis knock off but it's lovely, better than baileys , me n my mate went got 4 tbs, ordered a teenth, came home smoked the bags, boy phoned for the teethn went that, sat smoked, he was trying to pin , silly fucker!!! Drank balley castle , they do a chocolate one that is lovely too , been waiting on a good few msj , got the phone call , went got them , end up messing about city centre , the msj are proper Sri Lanka msj!!!

Got home to a decent bit of tackle , plus my balley castle , just finished smoking what I had & I came in and settled about 10pm, got smashed , msj definetly the real deal, last few nights it's been just white "wwd10s" or just "d10s" , both locally made both ranging in quality , don't get me wrong some are good are defo have diazepam , but dodgy , got chance of the msj real ones jumped at it , from Monday definetly getting a grip!!!

 

[matt<3ketamine]

I really suggest getting onto subutex fightingthetoot
I was around a bunch of people using today and felt no need for it and my mates know I don't take it anymore so they didn't bother offering, so I can be around users and feel no need to do it

Got a few Xanax bars and some d10s that are either etizolam or diclazepam (can anyone confirm this?)

 

[quachiieee]

Thanks for the info, and also i appreciate the warnings you fellas are giving me and yeh i know all too well myself about the risk if i continue down this road. I have many issues in life as to what made me start using in the first place which probably many others do too so im no exeption. but to me using has always been the escape from reality which i have come to rely on, sadly.
i am trying to change and hopefully i dont continue too deep in but yeah ive booked myself into a rehab which i am currently on the waiting list, and im probably gonna try and get myself onto a maintenance programme while im waiting to get in, since now my habbit has fkn gotten heaps worse since picking up the needle...

 

[steewith2ees]

Thanks for the info, and also i appreciate the warnings you fellas are giving me and yeh i know all too well myself about the risk if i continue down this road. I have many issues in life as to what made me start using in the first place which probably many others do too so im no exeption. but to me using has always been the escape from reality which i have come to rely on, sadly.
i am trying to change and hopefully i dont continue too deep in but yeah ive booked myself into a rehab which i am currently on the waiting list, and im probably gonna try and get myself onto a maintenance programme while im waiting to get in, since now my habbit has fkn gotten heaps worse since picking up the needle...

Good good - did you read the pdf I linked?

This trap can fall in front of the best of us, it's just recognising that this ROA is just not sustainable in the medium - long term if using street heroin (or cocaine and umpteen other caustic substances for that matter). The sooner you pull the plug on it the less likely it is that you will face a (99% ) inevitably life threatening situation and on a lesser note the sooner you stop the less marks and thrombosed (fucked) veins you will have.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Thanks for the info, and also i appreciate the warnings you fellas are giving me and yeh i know all too well myself about the risk if i continue down this road. I have many issues in life as to what made me start using in the first place which probably many others do too so im no exeption. but to me using has always been the escape from reality which i have come to rely on, sadly.
i am trying to change and hopefully i dont continue too deep in but yeah ive booked myself into a rehab which i am currently on the waiting list, and im probably gonna try and get myself onto a maintenance programme while im waiting to get in, since now my habbit has fkn gotten heaps worse since picking up the needle...

Good to hear you're taking steps in the right direction bud, once you're on the pins it's pretty much the end of the road - you either continue until something really drastic happens (e.g. DVT, septicemia, limb loss, death) or you kick yourself up the arse and climb back out of the pit of despair. When I realised I couldn't continue IVing without seriously affecting my health, I went back to smoking it. But it just couldn't compare to the needle. Then the 2010 drought hit - It would have been more effective to inhale burning money than the bash that was being sold then. Be aware though, rehabs are only a short term attempt at solving a long term problem. They are very rarely permanently effective unless combined with other major lifestyle changes and a very serious determination to succeed.

 

[steewith2ees]

Last 5mg drop in meth starts this morning. I've gone from 70 - 30 - stopped at 30 over Christmas then from 30 - 25 in 4 weeks then from today I'm on 20.

4 weeks on 20 but I've been told to slow it down after that.

 

[consumer]

Good luck Stee. You can do it. Just smoke da weed and the odd psychedelic

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Last 5mg drop in meth starts this morning. I've gone from 70 - 30 - stopped at 30 over Christmas then from 30 - 25 in 4 weeks then from today I'm on 20.

4 weeks on 20 but I've been told to slow it down after that.

Nice one mate! Once I got down to 20ml, I started reducing by 1ml a month. It prolongs the agony, but I'm a wimp and couldn't face bigger drops.

 

[steewith2ees]

Cheers fells

Got no weed until tomorrow but still have loads of psychs to munch through - about 45 penny acids, 300mg BK- 2C - B, 5 grams of dried mushrooms and an 158mg E. Took the last of my Clonazepam last night though and won't be getting any more for about 10 - 14 days so I don't have anything on hand in case the swirlys go west.

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[fightingthetoot]

Just to point out, there was some talk of chilling out and saving up the money a few pages back, I don't ever see you doing that tbh. Youve went from wanting a session every once in a while and wanting to up your meth, to basically going and scoring numerous tenner bags as soon as the cash arrives. You can kid yourself that its just cause your mate loves a bender, but your in a world where someone will ALWAYS want a bender. Whats the difference between you + every person you used to serve + probably swore you'd never become? Sorry if that comes off harsh but..

For sure, always is. Got gear coming tonight & got a tub of proper msj, start slow again, it's like it's a bad circle, get do ok, fuck up, repeat. If I knew something else I could do with my life I would, had my last bit of gear on Sunday & not used since & that's through choice. Much money we spent was crazy, I know my mates still been going OTT!!

 

[steewith2ees]

...do ok, fuck up, repeat..

That's the basic pattern bud, one I've managed to stick to like glue for 13 years and with no help from others (none of my peers use, apart from a couple of close trusted friends who I never see as we have long realised that our company is toxic to each other).

This is why I need brainwashing in a resi rehab - changing environments, acquaintances etc just isn't going to cut it for me as 95% of my heroin use has been independently motivated and realised.

 

[Bella Figura]

Well done on tapering down the juice stee, really!


As for your psyches, you could low dose and synergise with the (half?) pill, then just have some beers or spliff on the comedown


Ever micro-dose mushrooms? I might start getting into micro-dosing for a bit, see how I feel.

Proud of you man, psyches are a blessing. My LSD trip the other day just made me realise how grateful I am to be alive.


Sorry to Off topic, but almost wished I'd stocked up on the 1p, just didn't have any money at the time. Then again I haven't gone online to compare their prices to standard LSD. The tab I had the other day was pretty damn nice, apart from being struck with several GI pains at one point, then hearing a leak in the wall that sounded like it was raining in my living room.


Ah trippin'.

 

[steewith2ees]

The comedowns are potentially handle - able with weed and larger, but I'm much more confident doing acid and mushrooms with benzos on hand as they can turn a bad trip 180 degrees in 30 mins without seriously impacting the psychedelia, unlike say an E which they just ruin and stop dead.

As for the microdosing, that's one of the big advantages of the mushies - I find that I can have a full on or threshold effect trip and every degree in between.

Cheers for the encouragement with the methadone but I'm being careful not to get ahead of myself here, as I realise that the % decrease in overall dose really starts to come into play while on final approach.

I've still got these 3 fucking BK pellets which I've never tried (got them as samples). All the trip reports describe an average 18 hour duration (bit long really) with a small sweet spot dose (alot say 100mg is unsatisfactory but 150mg is too much). I'm still fairly interested though as I've never taken the real deal so I probably wouldn't be as disappointed as most with the overall effect.