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Women are tougher than men

nuttynutskin

nuttynutskin

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Men may be genetically predisposed to be physically stronger, but I think in a lot of ways women are tougher than guys especially in regards to pain tolerance, e.g. childbirth. Also from personal experience a lot if not most of the women I've known were a lot tougher than a lot of guys. What do you guys think?
 
Women can be just as tough or tougher than men. Strong women are sexy!
 
This is an endless argument, there is no correct answer re: mental toughness. Some men are stronger, some women are stronger. All depends on the person and their upbringing.
 
True, but i've heard medical people say that women have higher pain thresholds.
Possibly true, but too subjective to ever be definitive about.
 
starting_over said:
This is an endless argument, there is no correct answer re: mental toughness. Some men are stronger, some women are stronger. All depends on the person and their upbringing.
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I intentionally made the title controversial to see what kind of discussion it would generate. I don't think one sex is necessarily better than the other, although I think I identify with women more than men. Guys are gross lol.
 
the pain threshold thing is about the individual just like everything else


sweeping gender statements forget individual variance although trends do exist within the genders
 
spacejunk said:
True, but i've heard medical people say that women have higher pain thresholds.
Possibly true, but too subjective to ever be definitive about.
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I dunno. Theres different types of pain. Passing a kidney stone down the urethra of a man is apparently excruciating and also very painful to women but worse for men due to the anatomical difference.


Giving birth is also excruciating but women are designed to do that and its made bearable with natural techniques and apparently if you push hard during a contraction the pain eases up significantly so theres ways to cope. Then theres that hormone (I forget the name of it) thats produced after the birth that makes us disregard the pain and not remember it clearly later on.

I had a problematic labour and had to have an emergency caesarian so didnt get this hormone thing. It was bad. But nothing could be done until the general anasthetic at the end. Thought I was going to die from pain.
 
My only input with this is: if women had as much mental toughness and physical toughness, if not stronger; than why is the male to female ratio of navy seals/ special ops so high?

I personally believe men are way stronger, mentally and physically, than women.
 
iLoveYouWithaKnife said:
My only input with this is: if women had as much mental toughness and physical toughness, if not stronger; than why is the male to female ratio of navy seals/ special ops so high?
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That does sounds exclusive to Americans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

Dont disregard cultural upbringing when considering this topic. I am not saying a female soldier in the Isreali army is the same as a American special ops I am simply saying one must remove cultural and societal beliefs. Personally I think the only advantage males have is more testosterone when talking about maximum potential. I know for a fact as a man if i took on a female wrestler i would loose but if we both worked to our maximum natural state i think men have the potential to be stronger solely because of the effects of testosterone.

Mental toughness is an individual thing.
 
iLoveYouWithaKnife said:
My only input with this is: if women had as much mental toughness and physical toughness, if not stronger; than why is the male to female ratio of navy seals/ special ops so high?
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I think in that case it comes down to guys being genetically predisposed to being stronger and the Seals obviously want the top of the top. Most guys probably wouldn't even last a day or two of Seals training tho so I don't really see that as a good example. Also, from someone I know that was in boot camp for the army, she said the women took it better than a lot of the guys.

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szuko000 said:
Dont disregard cultural upbringing when considering this topic.
I am simply saying one must remove cultural and societal beliefs.
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when discussing their own opinion?

The question was are women tougher than men.

Some people associate the word tough- with pain threshold- some with tolerance.
Some could say people who live in a primitive tribe are much stronger than fat, slobby Americans who watch tv for 18hr a day because the former can survive with little means, while the latter couldn't survive without McDonald's drive-thru.

I decided to refer to the word tough as trying to measure physical and mental endurance.

It's too broad of a topic.
It wasn't asked- who can tolerate more pain?
- who can bench press more weights?
- who has more commitment and drive?
- who would win in a wrestling match? etc. etc.
 
nuttynutskin said:
Most guys probably wouldn't even last a day or two of Seals training tho so I don't really see that as a good example. Also, from someone I know that was in boot camp for the army, she said the women took it better than a lot of the guys.
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Well, then you should specify how you want to measure "toughness".
I chose that way.

Is a woman tougher than a man because she can have a baby? That's ridiculous.

...women took what better? training? the physicality of it?

nuttynutskin said:
I intentionally made the title controversial to see what kind of discussion it would generate.
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... or to flat out tell me the way I interpreted it was incorrect. You win, you are tougher.
 
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Stupid discussion of course women are tougher than men, after all they've got to deal with men and bring up children every day for heaven's sake.
I understand toughness to mean resilience and ability to get stuff done even in the worst conditions.
 
I hope nobody is basing their opinion of pain tolerance on Hollywood birth scenes. According to doctor and women's issues author Esther Villar, women have learned to play a gender role in which they exaggerate the pain in order to play on the emotions of the men who have traditionally been their providers. If it hurt that much, why are so many so eager to get pregnant?
I've read the opposite about pain tolerance of acute physical pain. A paper published in Nature or something similar a couple years ago looked at tolerance to pain using several tests, hands in a bucket of ice, chemical pain, and some others. The men did better in the test than the women.
Another measure of toughness might be endurance athletes. Do as many women compete in ultramarathons as men? It's not a question of who would win based on equal training, that's well-established, but just how many women versus men can even do it?
 
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I hope nobody is basing their opinion of pain tolerance on Hollywood birth scenes. According to doctor and women's issues author Esther Villar, women have learned to play a gender role in which they exaggerate the pain in order to play on the emotions of the men who have traditionally been their providers. If it hurt that much, why are so many so eager to get pregnant?
I've read the opposite about pain tolerance of acute physical pain. A paper published in Nature or something similar a couple years ago looked at tolerance to pain using several tests, hands in a bucket of ice, chemical pain, and some others. The men did better in the test than the women.
Another measure of toughness might be endurance athletes. Do as many women compete in ultramarathons as men? It's not a question of who would win based on equal training, that's well-established, but just how many women versus men can even do it?
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The pain of childbirth was truly horrendous and unforgettable, absolutely the worst pain a person endures. (But tooth pain can come pretty close, sometimes)

But childbirth is just one day, and then you experience motherhood forever, which is the goal. So I think for many women the ends justify the means, you know?

I can see how that doctor's opinion on childbirth pain has some validity, as well, just speaking from my own experience here. Perhaps I found it so excruciating partially due to this conditioning women are taught over and over.

*shrug*
 
I've read that there are certain kinds of pain that are comparable to childbirth. Like cluster headaches.
 
trunkofmycar said:
The pain of childbirth was truly horrendous and unforgettable, absolutely the worst pain a person endures. (But tooth pain can come pretty close, sometimes)

But childbirth is just one day, and then you experience motherhood forever, which is the goal. So I think for many women the ends justify the means, you know?

I can see how that doctor's opinion on childbirth pain has some validity, as well, just speaking from my own experience here. Perhaps I found it so excruciating partially due to this conditioning women are taught over and over.

*shrug*
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Not to trivialize your experience - I realize some births are extremely painful, but some are reportedly relatively painless. Some women undergo an episiotomy or C-section without anesthetics.

I've had migraines and I've run ultramarathons. The migraines hurt a lot more than the ultramarathons.
 
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