RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

33rd latitude...

I'm Canadian, I only have to deal with ridiculous collateral damage such as nbome ban (which is good to me) dragging along 2c-x phenethylamines, not because they were targeted, but because the nbombes and nboh's are based on these, like the DOx...DOB and DOM was already illegal, but that didn't prevent bikers from ruining "blotter" popularity in the early '00s with their horrible DOB blotter they sold for 3-4 years, which the police warned against (saying not to do "blotter" as another chemical much more dangerous than LSD was circulating and it was true). The makers of 2c-B which was banned here in 1994, the only 2c-x expressly banned (and our analogue law is much weaker here, they added one benzo from all the RC's and it's Flubromazepam, which explains it was the only stuff I ever had seized, even the second time with a decoy...the sender was flagged for sure) could make DOB easily if they could produce 2c-B which has never left the streets here, people call it Nexus.

But yeah that 33rd degree latitude...seems only bad things happen/are law there with very few exceptions. And no way it's an epidemic, even in Montreal you'd be hard pressed to find someone addicted to benzos, it's just not something people sell or know what they are. People here have a kind of attitude where they never know what meds they take, only that they take them because the doctor scripted them. People sold me 70 Dilaudid brand name 4mg for the price of the biggest bucket of KFC you can get because nobody knows the street prices for those things, well almost nobody does. There's more of an epidemic of people selling particularly Dilaudid to people, who end up frustrated by the price and end up shooting it, which happens even more with our HydromorphContins which are abusable, hard to do safely, sterifilt or micron, but many don't care and use the somewhat safe good filter in the SecuriCups in the injection kits but everytime I did it I felt dirty, and it seems to keep some of it's XR properties for some reason, would make me sleep like a baby, while slamming 8mg Dilaudid would give me the insane rush that gets you opi-crack addicted, while even with the crushed beads to the finest powder..it will hit hard, the rush is lesser, but it will hit hard 10 minutes later when you could surprise yourself projectile-vomiting. That's offtopic but I was making a comparison.

Doctors do not have a DEA preventing them from prescribing what they want, and it's people with legit issues that normally sell the pharms as they make contacts in the waiting room of the pain clinic and a merry-go-round of pills start, that's how I put my hands on 60 or so generic APO-Oxycodone CR 60mg (generic oxycontin like you don't have) which lays in my stash because my suboxone poisoned body (yes poisoned, I'm going back to methadone, after what that shit did to my teeth, suboxone that is, anyone familiar with the Canadian Suboxone Lemon pills will know what I'm talking about, I used to have perfect teeth, had 2 tiny cavities until 2 years into Suboxone where suddenly I had 23 cavities, then now, a year later, I got 12 new ones and my insurance does not cover canal treatments in case they can't do filling of one particular teeth that I will keep, there is no way a dentist is removing a teeth out of my mouth, my fist will punch theirs out if they even propose to do so. I'm not sure I will need a canal treatment but if I do, it's not covered by my insurance and it's something about 800 dollars. I could put it on my credit margin, but no fucking way, I managed to get in the + and I'm not going back into the minus in that account. /rant

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

So you're in Canada? I was just reading about how people are dying big time in Vancouver from Fentanyl overdose. So that is definitely an epidemic there. It's bad news. This is off topic though...

 

[Axed]

Recommended amount for sleep?

I don't have any benzo tolerance ; previously I would take 1-2mg Etizolam after tripping or other insomnia-inducing chems (eg. DCK). But my fav Etiz vendor does not seem to carry the stuff anymore, and has Clonazolam instead. So I ordered 100mg to give it a try.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Recommended amount for sleep?

I don't have any benzo tolerance ; previously I would take 1-2mg Etizolam after tripping or other insomnia-inducing chems (eg. DCK). But my fav Etiz vendor does not seem to carry the stuff anymore, and has Clonazolam instead. So I ordered 100mg to give it a try.

There should be no reason to take more than 1mg. Although, clonazolam takes a bit longer to kick in than other triazolo-benzos, so don't take 1mg and get frustrated because you're not sleeping 10 mins later. Give it 30 min, 0.5-1mg is just fine, although I find it more suitable day-long anxiety/GAD remedy compared to flunitrazolam, flubromazolam and triazolam, which act very fast and are stronger hypnotics. I don't find Etizolam that great, but if it's good quality, I find that subbing 3-4mg gives a really intense anxiety relief/rush similar to a small shot of an opiate even, but it's gone so fast that I don't care for it, it's pretty much like Xanax that way, not very therapeutic, clonazolam is better suited for sleep I'd say, because it lasts a good amount of time, so if you tend to wake up 3 hours after getting to sleep, you'll find it useful. Just don't use it every day, for god's sake, you don't want a benzo addiction/tolerance.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Does anybody starts secreting a lot of throat mucus when using Clonazolam? My best source, I actually had GC/MS'd 4 different stores, from powder, the original gelcaps and now the blotter I obtain, and the blotter is as pure as the powder, 98% for both. So it's pure, but maybe it's the secretion modifications that occur when I also take care my Suboxone which demands suckling on a lemon-lime flavoured very low ph pill for 20 minutes, so would it be both in combo that does this? I always get more throat secretions when taking Clonazolam from the blotter and powder source. The original yellow gelcaps didn't do that, but that could be because I was on methadone then which didn't mess up my teeth and made my mouth so damn dry so my throat goes in overdrive when drinking a Code Red Mountain Dew can or even healthy grenada and berry juice, then I gotta clear my throat and spit it out the transparent/white slightly sticky stuff that originates from my throat, so it's not a cold or anything, taking benadryl with my suboxone usually helps, but I'm prescribed Trimipramine, a TCA antidepressant for sleep and I get a slightly better mood once I wake up which lasts about the whole day until 6-7pm.

 

[Xzbtya]

Does anybody starts secreting a lot of throat mucus when using Clonazolam? My best source, I actually had GC/MS'd 4 different stores, from powder, the original gelcaps and now the blotter I obtain, and the blotter is as pure as the powder, 98% for both. So it's pure, but maybe it's the secretion modifications that occur when I also take care my Suboxone which demands suckling on a lemon-lime flavoured very low ph pill for 20 minutes, so would it be both in combo that does this? I always get more throat secretions when taking Clonazolam from the blotter and powder source. The original yellow gelcaps didn't do that, but that could be because I was on methadone then which didn't mess up my teeth and made my mouth so damn dry so my throat goes in overdrive when drinking a Code Red Mountain Dew can or even healthy grenada and berry juice, then I gotta clear my throat and spit it out the transparent/white slightly sticky stuff that originates from my throat, so it's not a cold or anything, taking benadryl with my suboxone usually helps, but I'm prescribed Trimipramine, a TCA antidepressant for sleep and I get a slightly better mood once I wake up which lasts about the whole day until 6-7pm.

If anything I get a little dry mouth afterwards which is pretty common benzo side effect. The low pH pill may be the culprit as I used to get something similar when I would take phenibut HCl mixed in a drink. I also suffer from acid reflux and when I don't take my medicine and wake up in the morning I feels like I'm suffering from post-nasal drip due to the acid churning up my throat all night.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I know what you mean regarding acid reflux, the ORT clinic put me on Pantoprazole (mostly to help methadone absorption because here it is still pre-made the night before you come in and mixed with orange juice, so reducing to 10mg and lower is possible unlike the silly stories of the literal drop of medicine in the regular 4oz brown bottle usually reserved for hydrocodone or codeine Rx syrup from the US...just give them the pain pill Methadone 5mg pills at that level, shit. There's no difference in size between the 5,10 and 20's here, only the 1mg ones are tiny. Anyway, I think I found out the main culprit, propylene glycol from my e-cig liquid, the stuff from the local chain of e-cig and e-cig accessories e-liquid is 70% propylene glycol and 30% Vegetable Glycerin, I asked if I could have changed when actually at one of their stores (they have one local chain of convenience stores selling some limited range of flavours of e-cig liquid from 6mg to 24mg. I asked if I could change for something containing less PG and more VG, so they made my Gummy Bear flavoured liquid (the best flavour there is) with 50-50 of each, like some higher end 100 dollars e-cigs that look more like strange gadgets than my 20 dollar e-cigs (I can mention the price of this right? It's like mentioning how a pack of X brand cig costs here). And right away I noticed that I started to produce a lot less phlegm...it used to be worse, I suffer from chronic sinusitis, but I'm in a good place right now, the worse was this fall when I had such sticky crap at the back of my palate so it would be almost impossible to spit it out without making some of the most unholy noises that at the time, my girlfriend and my friend who pays a rent to live in our basement hated it, drove 'em fucking crazy. Now the flare up in my sinuses is at its minimal and yeah, I think the Suboxone and the 70-30 e-liquid were the culprit there, clonazolam and other benzos might have contributed a little more.

Trimipramine when I first started taking 12.5mg before bed made me wake up with my tongue feel like asphalt to the touch, anticholinergic effects galore, but it's the safest of TCA's out there and those side effects went away fast and now can take 25mg before bed and it's perfect, it's one of the only medication mainly scripted for sleep proven not to mess with REM sleep along with Quazepam...but unfortunately we don't get it here, if I was in the US, I would ask my doctor for some fucking Doral using that argument. But I never heard of anyone here who ever had it or even less had a script. Kinda like ProSom (estazolam), it frustrates me regarding this one cos I can get Euro benzos but no way I can even try ProSom which seems like an ideal sleep benzo, it's only in the US so it's pretty much out of bounds for me. I did experience quazepam through norflurazepam which was a very good, not too strong rc benzo that was only around the last 2-3 months of the UK vendors existing. Nobody picked it up, too bad, it was great for all-day GAD treatment, better than my Valium script, because it lasted all day and had about 6 active metabolites. I love Flurazepam, but one would be wrong to think a flurazepam metabolite in its own dosage is the same as Flurazepam.

Anyway, mystery solved. I'm getting bored, I have none of my rx right now, renewal day is in a week for bromazepam 6mg bid, Valium is on the 21st and Temazepam on the 27th (I only get 30x30 caps, I'd rather get 45x15mg caps but I'm not asking for too many changes re: my benzo scripts, but I rather take safe doses, like I said I never take more than 1.5mg of clonazolam a day, sometimes 2mg, but that's all. But I like taking say 1mg clonazolam with 30mg temazepam, or .5 Triazolam with 5mg Fonazepam, the different actions at subreceptors a1,a2,a3,a4,a5 and y1, y2 (I think that's the complete list of gaba subcomplex gaba receptors), taking a reasonable dose of 2 different benzos affect more subreceptors and it's that way I get the most out of 'em, for GAD, sleep, or the few reckless times I abuse the hell of them (them being rc benzos), which happens mostly when I mix a couple benzos, but double doses, with 50mg atarax and then take my mr.clean tasting shackles, I mean Suboxone pill (now at 8mg after a long struggle of 10mg one day, 8 mg the other...but now I went through a month where I didn't feel a bit restless due to lack of bupe so I'm good, that's how I determined when I could do this 10-8-10-8 etc., going from 12 to 10 right away was rough for 2 months, only after 3 months did my body adjust. That's why, among other reasons, I think suboxone has to be reserved for those who go for a 3 month detox, max.

 

[veodo]

Dosed less than 500ug of Clonazolam yesterday and within 15 minutes my right eye was twitching like crazy, one hour later I was sleeping very good.

 

[Axed]

Does a lower dose have shorter effects/lead to less sleep?

I've taken this twice now, at the same dosage - 500ug - after LSD (it gives me the worst insomnia). I love that it knocks me out quickly, but both times I was deeply asleep for about 12 hours. I think I would much prefer sleeping for a max of 10 hours. I woke up at 4PM today and was a little frustrated because I wanted to get things done, hah.

Should I go for 250ug? Would I fall asleep just as easily still?

 

[FairySkruff]

Melatonin is really good first few weeks it's a nutropic and came from states even said it on label n it came. Great dreams really safe n stuff but it's not reliable
E like benzos etc good if ur coming down\with drawring I got over my benzos habit of one a day for ten years.

 

[socialfilter!]

Triazalo benzos have hit my town hard! Somehow someone has figured out how to li+uify them using "onion" juice & whatever so the new kick is to mix it wih H in a shot. We've had 8 confirmed deaths from this at my clinic in 2 months...its worse than the fentanyl ods a couple years ago

 

[CosmicG]

I had experienced with this one in the past. Won't be touching it again after my fiancée's response to it and our seemingly hedonistic tendencies. last experience with it.Too potent, horrible rebound anxiety, shouldn't even be on the market imho. But if you can use and not abuse more power to you

I want to take her to the hospital but she won't go. She thinks she's suffered brain damage after just one use. Is that even possible? Like if you were to blackout and say accidentally take 35 mgs in one night after one use

 

[DementiaSavantPlus]

Clonazolam is known to be not only very potent mg for mg as compared to many other benzodiazepines, but also to have a different range of effects, including a brand of "stimulating" euphoria that is followed by sleep. It also causes the user to black out much more quickly and intensely than others.

To accompany this, the rebound effects are much more intense as well, and can occur to a great extent even after one or two doses. The feeling of nerve damage has been common in my experience after discontinuation, as well as a rapid onset of a seizure state and aura of depersonalization.

 

[CosmicG]

That sounds about right. Here's the thing. She took somewhere between 35-50 mgs in one night. Prior to this we had been following the Ashton manual using flubromazepam with plans to eventually switch to diclazepam while very slowly lowering our etizolam dose.

Got the clonozolam to deal with comedowns on stims/psychs/dissos. Yes I know how stupid this all sounds. I'm just trying to get some help. Don't be afraid to be real with me. I know how moronic this sounds, but it's the reality of the situation.

 

[morphine-dreams]

To anyone commenting about the male nurses- IT WAS A JOKE ffs

And fwiw I'm not seizing anymore and my dad got me Valium and gabapentin to help taper.

 

[everteen]

How long do you have to use benzos before withdrawal occurs and when you are on a lethal zone? Two nights ago I did 3mg Rivotril and few beers with very low tolerance, tough I've used Rivotril the past. Yesterday night I took 4mg with some energy drinks and when I just woke up I took another 1mg. So I've taken 8mg with one day between 3mg an 5mg doses.

Will this give me nothing that worse a hangover without any withdrawal or is it already dangerous to complete stop from this. I still have 2mg left, so there's some possibility of phasing it out. I'm asking this because I really can't go to benzo withdrawaln since I'm on a program which aims at stop using drugs and alcohol completely, and some benzo withdrawal would fuck that up. Benzo's sowing on the test isn't a problem, that won't end he program. I really want stop using drugs even though it may not look like when I've been drinking a few times a week, trying MDMA and now benzos.

 

[kleinerkiffer]

^Impossible to say as everyone reacts different. Some can take them for a few weeks straight without getting serious withdrawal symptoms while others experience withdrawal after just a week.
You may experience some rebound symptoms.

And for lethal zone you usually have to abuse them for quite some time, but some people will seize after just two weeks of normal use but I think those are prone to seizures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21815323

Since the first report of benzodiazepine withdrawal seizure in 1961, many case reports have followed. Withdrawal seizures have occurred with short, medium, and long halflife benzodiazepine, if discontinued abruptly. Withdrawal seizures usually occur in patients who have been taking these medications for long periods of time and at high doses. Seizures have also been reported with less than 15 days of use and at therapeutic dosage. Almost all the withdrawal seizures reported were grand mal seizures. The severity of seizures range from a single episode to coma and death. Benzodiazepine dose tapering can be done faster in a hospital setting in high-dose abusers, but must be done more slowly in the outpatient setting in therapeutic dosage users.

 

[everteen]

^Impossible to say as everyone reacts different. Some can take them for a few weeks straight without getting serious withdrawal symptoms while others experience withdrawal after just a week.
You may experience some rebound symptoms.

I've only used them for about three days, totaling 9mg, but use hasn't t been spread out equally. It's been like 3mg at one, then about 40 hours later 4mg at once and then about 4-8 hours 1mg twice. I only have 1mg left and not getting more, so abuse will end soon anyway.

Still at least 18 days to test, but I don't really think it matters if I got caught. Main thing is not to have any manor WD. Some minor hangover and rebound is ok, I'm used to that.

 

[trip407]

not possible to get addicted to clonazepam in 3 days don't worry. In fact no drug will hook you up so fast.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I haven't seen any clonazolam liquid yet. The place I go only have pills. I have found that taking Gabapentin or Lyrica if you have some, makes it stronger.

I have some coming in. 60mg in 30ml of liquid with a 2mg measuring little oral syringe so I know the dose is exact, I'll see how it is. I also am waiting for blotters which are taking longer than usual to come in, the usual blotters I've been buying at 2 different places, unfortunately one has had to stop selling anything and is in a lull, having to relocate, but it's okay the other place, although the mail gets here slower, is exactly the same blotter, white blotter with clonazolam written in orange here and there on it. A year ago the had the molecule all over the backside but not anymore.

The liquid comes from much less far away, so I'll maybe test it before even going back to my 1 blotter a day routine, but that'd be ridiculous, it's been a while since i'm waiting for it, the other store, they had an average of 8 days to get to me, from central europe to Canada with a priority sticker. I don't know why the other place is slower but it's a drag, I had also only had one delivery from them when I had to switch, I hope they're trustable...which they must be, they're around since a decade almost. I'm tired of this crappy powder Etizolam I have, I prefer my Valium rx right now to it, I only had one good source for powder etizolam which I was able to weight (450 dollar scale) and still am, and this one I need 10mg to feel what 2mg of the other source who's in Canada but whos site is restructuring right now. It's a complicated mess since a while, things always get here very late, or the shipper ships like 5 days after I paid (for other stuff).

Anyway, I hope everyone's doing fine here and not taking 50mg at once and waking up 3 days later in an industrial garbage bin and coming here to yell at how horrible c-lam is...