EADD Mephedrone (4-MMC) Megathread v. XV Pirate Flagship

[mulholland602]

So who's actually experienced Brain damage/Neurotoxicity from Meph. Does anyone actually feel.it has left them permanently damaged?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

So who's actually experienced Brain damage/Neurotoxicity from Meph. Does anyone actually feel.it has left them permanently damaged?

No.

Most of the theorising about meph's potential neurotoxicity etc was actually politics from MDPV loving scientists/users who correctly surmised that the unfettered legality of mephedrone was actually a threat to the, er, unfettered legality of their chosen drug. It was far more politics than science and no, our psychiatric wards nor our hospitals have ever filled up with meph users.

Tl;dr? It was largely bollocks with a hidden agenda.

 

[Mindyabiznis]

I've always genuinely questioned it's neurological damage, largely based on the fact that you can go days doing it and as long as you're not stressing your body out by dancing for hours and hours it just doesn't seem to cause any I'll effects, for me anyway.

Some of you might scoff at what I'm saying because it's hardly scientific lol but I've partied for days, roughly 4 nights without sleep is my longest, with cocaine by the end of I was hallucinating and unable to speak properly even though I was coherent, I ate a fuck load of food and fell asleep, when I woke up I wasn't dying but it felt like I had missed out on some sleep haha

With mcat I think ice done 2 full nights without sleep like getting up 7am Friday and then not going sleep until Sunday evening, and when I've done that on mcat every line brings me back to pretty much what the first line did and I had no dysphoria or dodgy effect and after sleeping etc the worst part about it was my hands and clothes smelling of mcat lol I would have a nice 10 hours sleep and I would literally be 100%

Like I said not very scientific and not something I recommend doing... But if it was neurotoxic surely after binging for 3 days and not eating drinking etc with about 5gs of.pure mcat to myself I would have something in the way of ill effects? Even just from the sleep deprivation maybe?

 

[poparopaliss]

It's quite frustrating not being able to get real Meph. You'd think with the demand, there would be at least a few genuine producers

I'm done with MD and all other stims but feel I have unfinished business with meph. Just enough for 1 crazy weekend and I think I would be satisfied

I just need one more fucking hit!

 

[Mindyabiznis]

Haha yeah I think mcat is here to stay but supply is not meeting demand for sure, I also would expect a large amount to be available at SOME point but it just doesn't seem to be happening

 

[mister]

No.

Most of the theorising about meph's potential neurotoxicity etc was actually politics from MDPV loving scientists/users who correctly surmised that the unfettered legality of mephedrone was actually a threat to the, er, unfettered legality of their chosen drug. It was far more politics than science and no, our psychiatric wards nor our hospitals have ever filled up with meph users.

Tl;dr? It was largely bollocks with a hidden agenda.

I know it's Wiki but there's loads of data if you look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

 

[mister]

Haha yeah I think mcat is here to stay but supply is not meeting demand for sure, I also would expect a large amount to be available at SOME point but it just doesn't seem to be happening

We have the best Meph available since the ban right now, independent tests are say above 70% 4-mmc, some are in the 80% pure mark.

Labs can now distinguish between 4-mmc and all the other Cathinones.

Some of the Meph today lacks that warmth but Ive had quite a bit which is as close as close can be to the point it was just the same

 

[JohnnyVodka]

Had an Xmas day line. Interestingly, when taken while relatively sober and while not hunting for porn, it's much easier to appreciate the head space and give the thumbs up to.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I know it's Wiki but there's loads of data if you look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

Kind of interesting article but I fail to see what it has to do with the BL scientific community, or should I say MDPV loving scientific community, predicting doom from mephedrone that simply never happened. What did happen was meph attracted attention to PV and sure enough both were banned at the same time. And that's all the community got right.

I don't see the relevance of what you posted. Loads of data on what? Where are the casualties in the psych wards? Why did what some would see as chronic use only improve my cognitive abilities? (A favourite comedown activity from sex and meph was to see how quickly me and my gf could complete the Guardian Saturday prize cryptic crossword - the answer was usually much quicker than on a non-meph weekend).

I'm not being facetious. I simply have never met the evidence you seem to hint at.

 

[Mindyabiznis]

All I know is that the COUPLE of cases of a supposed overdose in the UK *literally four cases I think* turned out to be non related directly to mcat and although is was in the peoples system only one case was SOLELY mephedrone and in that case the person went to a and e and was given 30mg mirtazapine and 10mg valium and discharged 8 hours later.

It turned out the reason this person od'd was because they ended up snorting nearly a whole gram in half hour because they expected it to affect them as quick as cocaine, which we all know it doesn't, it takes 10 mins to initially kick in coz it's your serotonin, and then it takes about an hour to plateau so if you blast 0.5 in 20 mins coz it's "not working" it's gonna hit you hard as fuck when it does.

Also the newspaper saying people died on mcat is not strictly true I think 1 case they had partied for FOUR days raving and drinking, they didn't od they suffered from exhaustion and collapsed.

It's just like mdma, statistically its much safer than riding a horse, millions of people use it every week and they all live long healthy(ish) lives... And most of them don't supplement their brain and body with correct hydration, electrolytes, and rest, which any MODERN clued up user knows is imperative to not only having a good time but also avoiding having a shitty time when the funds over.

I've found mcat to be the most forgiving with regards to abuse, and although some will say that's anecdotal, but there's a reason soooooo many people abused it beyond what's humanly safe literally thousands of people, but if it was as bad as people made out or thought it was, there would have been a LOT of real problems, real life issues that we wouldn't be able to manipulate or ignore....

Merry Christmas everyone :D

 

[BecomingJulie]

Also the newspaper saying people died on mcat is not strictly true I think 1 case they had partied for FOUR days raving and drinking, they didn't od they suffered from exhaustion and collapsed.

It's just like mdma, statistically its much safer than riding a horse, millions of people use it every week and they all live long healthy(ish) lives...

Which is the problem, if you just happen to be in the business of selling (legal, but self-evidently worse for you) alcohol and/or tobacco.

A lot of anti-drug hysteria is fuelled by the big breweries and the cigarette companies. The latter of which can only even advertise via indirect means nowadays ..... Sequi pecuniam.

 

[benson7]

Coke has been my stim of choice lately, but considering chancing my arm with meph soon for a bit of a change (unashamed porn binge). Anyone else sampled batches recently? From the last couple of pages I can see the white fine powder is getting the job done.

 

[kingme]

So. Got in posession of meph. How do i make the most of it Looking for a good 6ish hours of fun....? Sex is a must, as is being functional tomorrow morning.
Also, what may be the chances of repeating the experience for NYE?

 

[Drum]

I always end up back here for some nostalgia.

A few memories...... My mephedrone came in a green and silver foil pack, labeled 'mephedrone plant food' .... Upon opening the pouch a sweet sweet vanilla coconutty smell would fill my nostrills.

I bought both the powder and crystal - The powder being very sparkly and sandy in texture, with a slight fishy pee smell, the crystals being a mix of small, medium and large whole crystals with a milky dusting, these crystals had the sweet vanilla coconut smell.

75mg crushed and snorted - I didnt know what had hit me. The onset was an out of this world sense of wellbeing and euphoria, I was grinning like a madman - I have never smiled and had a grin like that ever since. My headspace was crystal clear with clarity, there was a speedy 100mph feel and the urge to do everything! It felt like there was a summer breeze blowing over my whole body, music sounded out of this world and everthing was fucking bliss. I was flying, and I never wanted it to stop. Small waves of euphoria started glowing and pulsing through my body, a few seconds these waves oh orgasmic pleasure would last, growing longer and longer untill I was slumped, these waves lasting up to 20-30 seconds a time. At the peak I was slumped in my chair in pure sheer bliss and in a complete state of orgasim, I remember gasping at how good it felt.

Slowly the waves subsided and a huge confidence ego developed. I felt a million dollars, I felt like the best guy in this universe, I felt ontop of the world and I could do anything. I looked in the mirror and fuck, I looked good. I couldnt stop smiling - I felt like I could fuck any girl I wanted to, I felt like a dog on heat, I felt like a king, I felt horny.... words couldnt describe it....................

Repeat........ Repeat..... Repeat....... It didnt matter how many times I redosed on the first day of a session, everytime was the same....(was rested, fed and watered) Anything past the first day was then a waste. I managed to keep this mantra and have a memorable 4 months worth of bliss saturdays.

After 4 months of saturday sessions, I started seeing bugs - even after 1 line, 10,20,30 or so tiny little microscopic bugs, all over me, possibly ticks or fleas.... fuck that, how could I get high covered in bugs - well I did, having showers inbetween to keep them at bay.... then my stock was gone (20g) and it had been banned.

I always noticed this 3 phase thing with real mephedrone. 1) Speed/amphetamine 2 ) MDMA 3 ) cocaine....

Fuck it was good.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I always end up back here for some nostalgia.

A few memories...... My mephedrone came in a green and silver foil pack, labeled 'mephedrone plant food' .... Upon opening the pouch a sweet sweet vanilla coconutty smell would fill my nostrills.

I bought both the powder and crystal - The powder being very sparkly and sandy in texture, with a slight fishy pee smell, the crystals being a mix of small, medium and large whole crystals with a milky dusting, these crystals had the sweet vanilla coconut smell.

75mg crushed and snorted - I didnt know what had hit me. The onset was an out of this world sense of wellbeing and euphoria, I was grinning like a madman - I have never smiled and had a grin like that ever since. My headspace was crystal clear with clarity, there was a speedy 100mph feel and the urge to do everything! It felt like there was a summer breeze blowing over my whole body, music sounded out of this world and everthing was fucking bliss. I was flying, and I never wanted it to stop. Small waves of euphoria started glowing and pulsing through my body, a few seconds these waves oh orgasmic pleasure would last, growing longer and longer untill I was slumped, these waves lasting up to 20-30 seconds a time. At the peak I was slumped in my chair in pure sheer bliss and in a complete state of orgasim, I remember gasping at how good it felt.

Slowly the waves subsided and a huge confidence ego developed. I felt a million dollars, I felt like the best guy in this universe, I felt ontop of the world and I could do anything. I looked in the mirror and fuck, I looked good. I couldnt stop smiling - I felt like I could fuck any girl I wanted to, I felt like a dog on heat, I felt like a king, I felt horny.... words couldnt describe it....................

Repeat........ Repeat..... Repeat....... It didnt matter how many times I redosed on the first day of a session, everytime was the same....(was rested, fed and watered) Anything past the first day was then a waste. I managed to keep this mantra and have a memorable 4 months worth of bliss saturdays.

After 4 months of saturday sessions, I started seeing bugs - even after 1 line, 10,20,30 or so tiny little microscopic bugs, all over me, possibly ticks or fleas.... fuck that, how could I get high covered in bugs - well I did, having showers inbetween to keep them at bay.... then my stock was gone (20g) and it had been banned.

I always noticed this 3 phase thing with real mephedrone. 1) Speed/amphetamine 2 ) MDMA 3 ) cocaine....

Fuck it was good.

That's one hell of an appraisal, it just sounds sooo good.

I'm pissed off that I totally missed the whole meph scene. Although I was dimly aware that people were snorting 'plant food' to get a buzz, my head was so far up my arse with a heroin habit that there was no way I was going to spend my smack tokens on some unknown chemical that surely must be shit otherwise it wouldn't be legal. Plus I suffered from that junkie arrogance that considers heroin to be the only 'proper' drug - anything else is a waste of time and money (see how it completely warps your mind? ).

Then the media hysteria reached a crescendo and I heard it was to be criminalised. Suddenly I realised that mephedrone might actually be one of those 'new drugs' I used to fantasise about as a teenager and could be worth a go. So I googled it, and that's how I discovered Bluelight! Unfortunately I never got round to buying any because I had no idea which vendors to trust and wasn't willing to take a risk. But I stuck with Bluelight as a resource for all things druggage leading to a voyage of discovery in the world of RCs and ultimately giving me the motivation and courage to sack the gear and methadone. Rather ironically, the first thread I started in EADD was about the Great Gear famine of 2010 - which eventually evolved into the Heroin thread as numerous desperate junkies stepped out of lurkage for a bloody good moan about their gear...


What puzzles me is that I get the impression that mephedrone was uncut and consistent in quality regardless of supplier. Is this correct? And if so, why? IME, RCs have suffered from just as bad, if not worse, quality control issues as most street drugs. Why was mephedrone different? Was it simply that the values held by the pioneers of this chemical revolution were more idealistic before every fuckin robbing cunt jumped on the bandwagon?

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Illegality stamps on everything bro. I can vouch that for two years I bought from the same supplier, via email (and paypal until they banned him) whose name was given to me from someone off here, to whom I will be eternally grateful and who doesn't even post anymore. In short I was buying blind and getting 100% every time. 10g at a time. Once it never turned up. My dealer reimbursed me the full 10g. Next day 20g came through the post. Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end. Genuinely feel sorry for you missing out.

My big thing was how was this allowed at prices allowed as low as £50 for 10g (though I'm sure someone will outdicksize me). And yeah, most people's first reactions were "How the fuck is this legal?"

Being a twat, I always suspected some sort of government experiment. But who gives a shit.

Great days.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end. Genuinely feel sorry for you missing out.

Eee, Mary Hopkin. That song is one of the earliest I can remember and always brings me out in floods of nostalgia.

Cheers for the sentiment bud. Although I turned up too late for the party (only to find out I'd never even been invited in the first place...), I guess it was indirectly responsible for my sacking opiates. If it wasn't for mephedrone I might not have found Bluelight, and it was Bluelight that rekindled my interest in actually taking drugs for fun, rather than just to stop feeling sick. Coupled with the tremendous support and encouragement I received off you guys, I finally felt ready to face the inevitable. Not that it was all plain sailing mind you. There was a crossover period where I was still doing smack, crack and methadone along with whatever other RCs took my fancy. This all got a bit messy when the RC benzos hit the scene as I got fired from two jobs. Still, all's well that ends well. I now have no interest in taking downers ever again (except booze ) and I feel like the fog has finally dispersed from my brain.

Not a bad result from a drug I've never had eh?

 

[ordinary mind]

You should get a t shirt printed with "PLANT FOOD SAVED MY LIFE!" on it.

Do you not use benzos after these multi day 3fpm sessions? I've gone right the hell off benzos myself, but I still can't see myself going on a serious stim binge without planning ahead of time to have something to come down with.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

You should get a t shirt printed with "PLANT FOOD SAVED MY LIFE!" on it.

Do you not use benzos after these multi day 3fpm sessions? I've gone right the hell off benzos myself, but I still can't seem myself going on a serious stim binge without planning ahead of time to have something to come down with.

Heh, I'll knock one up now...

No I don't use benzos after a stim session - but I do use alcohol which is very effective for the minimal comedown from 3fpm. It would be very easy to slip into the habit of routinely taking benzos after stims, so I never buy any now, even though I admit to being tempted sometimes as it would be useful to keep some in stock to abort any uncomfortable future drug experiences. But I'd end up taking them for the sake of it rather than keeping them for when I really needed them.

Here's another little anecdote about how the mephedrone phenomenon may have been the catalyst in my reawakening of mind, body and spirit.

About the time of the media shitstorm responsible for misinforming the masses about mephedrone, I was round at my dealer's having a toot when I mentioned to him I quite fancied trying this Meow meow shit.

He looked up at me and said in all seriousness:

"You can get it from B&Q ya know. Plant food innit?"

"No it's not really plant food!" Says I, "that's just a smokescreen to facilitate its free movement throughout Europe without drawing attention to it's real function" (Or words to that effect - I probably actually just said "can ya fuck!")

But he wasn't giving up that easily:

"No, it's true. It's listed on the ingredients and everything. My mate told me and he knows his shit."


Realising it was futile continuing this conversation, I thought to myself "well your mate's obviously a fuckin imbecile who should have been shot at birth".

But I remember feeling quite shocked that someone habitually consuming and supplying a highly addictive respiratory depressant cut with fuck knows what can display such shocking ignorance about other substances. At this point another light flickered on in my head and I realised I was no longer willing to tolerate 'junkie wisdom' and the idiots that spout it...

 

[ordinary mind]

Lol. I wonder how many uninformed people have ended up snorting household products after hearing all the buzz about folk getting high on plant food or bath salts.