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Opioid withdrawal hell.... again!

Its just striking to how different my last wd timeline was, perhaps given I was vaping unweighed doses of a super potent opioid many times a day, the different timeline isn't that much of a surprise
 
My own wds have really started to bite today. I forget what day I'm on....3 or 4 maybe but fuck me I had a restless night last night and feel pretty lousy today. I'm out of pregabalin too. I have morphine and fentanyl within arms reach but there's just no fucking way I'm going there.

The piper ALWAYS has to be paid and I've given him my credit card.

Its at this point in a rattle the the power of the mind comes into play. Plus a stubborn refusal to let something this small get the better of me.... I know I'm stronger....
 
My own wds have really started to bite today. I forget what day I'm on....3 or 4 maybe but fuck me I had a restless night last night and feel pretty lousy today. I'm out of pregabalin too. I have morphine and fentanyl within arms reach but there's just no fucking way I'm going there.

The piper ALWAYS has to be paid and I've given him my credit card.

Its at this point in a rattle the the power of the mind comes into play. Plus a stubborn refusal to let something this small get the better of me.... I know I'm stronger....

From everything I've got to know about you through here, I have absolutely no doubt you'll have this smashed within a couple of days. Props to you and your will power, here I am barely able to skip/reduce my DHC when all things considered, I'm in pretty good shape.

Sending positive vibes your way man. Also, based on a pm you sent me yesterday morning you are on day 4. If that's true, not too long to go, although I appreciate it can often feel like an endless limbo.

Good luck mate, not that I anticipate youb'll need it :)
 
From everything I've got to know about you through here, I have absolutely no doubt you'll have this smashed within a couple of days. Props to you and your will power, here I am barely able to skip/reduce my DHC when all things considered, I'm in pretty good shape.

Sending positive vibes your way man. Also, based on a pm you sent me yesterday morning you are on day 4. If that's true, not too long to go, although I appreciate it can often feel like an endless limbo.

Good luck mate, not that I anticipate youb'll need it :)

Thanks brother :)

Day 4 is it? Yeah that probably makes sense. Another couple of days and it will be over. I dont really count as I just view it as something to get through. Plus when my methadone withdrawl went on for 8 months counting seemed a bit futile. Now that redefined what "tough times" really means. 6 or 7 days anyone can stand but 8 months tests the mind to the limit. It nearly broke me but fuck it I came through stronger.
 
Made successful mad dash to the letter box (even though my mum was using the computer in the room next to it at the time) and have to admit I'm a little bit disappointed there was no mail for Mrs L**** S*** today...

Still not taken any opiates today and still have several hours before this vendors cut off point in which it might be possible for me to cancel the order. Still going to wait to see how things progress over the next couple of hours before I make a decision. As I've explained, I really do want to retain a reasonably high degree of functionality over the next two weeks. And I have pretty big expectations for things to go South fast, especially with only half a box of DHC left to taper with.

Call me crazy (and probably rightfully so), but if/when this gear arrives, I do intend to use a miligram scale and continue in a 'retaining base functionality' manner rather than using willy nilly.
 
Sorry for multiple posts...

@BigG I can't find the post but I remember you predicting in the Gibberingz thread that it would likely take 240mg to hold me at my current habit. Did you mean 240mg per day or per dose, and if per dose how often would you have expected to dose?

If you meant 240mg per day, then you got it pretty much spot on as I've just about been holding up at that level with comfort meds. However, if you meant 240mg per dose, wouldn't that suggest I should be expecting much less OTT withdrawals as originally predicted? I'm just trying to get a better guage of the situation here, I know these are probably not straightforward yes or no type answers.

Still feeling fine, but unsurprisingly this is a lot less easy without ketamine. I don't know if this is going outwith the spirit of harm reduction, but as it seems to be a bit of a controversial subject I just thought I'd offer my experience of it being a very effective withdrawal aid, both in terms of masking the worst of the physical symptoms and offering a positive mindset. Might not be for everyone mind, but it certainly was very useful for me (and I was a fool for wasting it before the going got rough...)

EDIT: And the gear has been marked as dispatched a couple of hours earlier than I had anticipated.... still doesn't mean I'll get my hands on it, and if I do it still doesn't mean it can't be stashed/hidden/disposed of, but thems the breaks...
 
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Its not good harm reduction, but it is a potentially useful piece of anecdotal evidence for heroin dependants who are well experienced with using Ketamine in as safe a manner as possible and after repeated attempts to physically detox themselves with nothing more than non opiate 'minor' PRN tranquillising medicines....

(basically, z drugs or benzodiazepines as even suggesting the use of say proper UK generic Phenobarbital tablets - something I used to be able to be able to grab a box of from time to to time in a former life, is bad HR as that particular drug is so dangerous that it impossible to suggest that anyone to take it for any reason when most benzodiazepines are infinitely more safer in overdose even if they are just as addictive)

... they are finding to impossible to tolerate a weeks worth of physiological and psychological discomfort, it is worth just allowing it to float on the breeze, without condoning or condemning.
 
I found the post I was referring to from BigG and he actually said 240mg is maximum prescribed daily dosage, so I got that a bit muddled. So I guess you were pretty spot on with your estimate there G..... like a boss ;)

EDIT: I know I've been piling on the questions these last 3 days or so, but: I've just taken 90mg DHC. As this is my first dose of the day, this means that I'm either going to be dosing unnecessarily early for my evening dose, risk getting a shit sleep, or have to take my next dose in the middle of the night if I wake up (and I'm trying to stay on top of diet and sleep like a hawk while I'm still capable of it). This has left me wondering, is my 2 equal doses per day the best way of going about this, or would I be better off dosing lower but more frequently (i.e. retain a fairly consistent blood plasma level which I'll drop gradually, or have 2 daily peaks and dips)?
 
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So you ordered more heroin.

I think you need to be honest with yourself and ask if you really think you are going to stay clean.

I say this because you are going to be putting yourself into needless days of WD for a day or 2 at a time, and it just aint fun.

You need to get serious about this. You cant go ordering heroin when your trying to reduce. The only thing to do is flush it down the toilet when it arrives.

Dont stash it. If you want to get clean and stay clean you can never touch opiates ever again.
 
So you ordered more heroin.

I think you need to be honest with yourself and ask if you really think you are going to stay clean.

I say this because you are going to be putting yourself into needless days of WD for a day or 2 at a time, and it just aint fun.

You need to get serious about this. You cant go ordering heroin when your trying to reduce. The only thing to do is flush it down the toilet when it arrives.

Dont stash it. If you want to get clean and stay clean you can never touch opiates ever again.

You are basically right, and I know it. As I say, disposing of it is a very real possibility once I've guaged how debilitating the wds are gonna be.

I know I keep banging on about this, and I know many of you are probably just assuming this is my way of justifying it to myself, but I really am working on something at the moment that has the potential to be a huge opportunity for me. In fact, it might just be the thing that gets me out of my current life situation which drives me to abuse drugs (living with parents in a grey town with close to no friends remaining - the ones I do have I rarely see, doing relatively mundane jobs). I don't want that to come across the wrong way - I know I have it better off than so many others and I am appreciative of what I do have. But the thing is, I'm both rich enough (financially) to afford to abuse drugs, and poor enough (emotionally) to want to continue to abuse drugs so long as I am living in these circumstances.

This isn't something that can wait, I need to be well enough to do large quantities of mentally demanding work, learning while I go, now.
 
I cannot agree with the suggestion to get rid of it, while you are in your present state.

Instead, the best thing to do would be to get a trusted, non-drug-using friend to look after it for you. Failing that, pack it well and stash it in some woods a fair walk from home, with a lighter and some foil so you can get instant gratification if and when you go back for it. You want to make retrieval possible, but not effortless. If you flush it down the toilet while you're craving hard, you won't be doing yourself any favours. And you probably will end up scoring again, and sucking greedily at the aluminium nipple; till before you know it, it's all gone and you're back to square one again -- and all the suffering you've been through up to this point will be wasted long after you aren't anymore.

But the prospect of a hit some vague, unspecified time in the future can act as a kind of safety net to help you psychologically through the withdrawals, even if you never end up actually taking it. Because you are going to reach a point where you think, f**k this -- I'm really not getting any better. I need gear now! And the thought that some might be had, for a little effort, will help calm you down. While your body is getting its chemical balance back in order, you need to be giving your mind the easiest ride you can. In the best case, you will be able to kid yourself long enough to get over the hump. Nights 4 and 5 will feel a little bit better. And by night six or seven, you might even experience what I call "The False Stone" -- the effects of your body overshooting slightly with the natural pain-relieving hormones that opioids mimic so deliciously.
 
I cannot agree with the suggestion to get rid of it, while you are in your present state.

Instead, the best thing to do would be to get a trusted, non-drug-using friend to look after it for you. Failing that, pack it well and stash it in some woods a fair walk from home, with a lighter and some foil so you can get instant gratification if and when you go back for it. You want to make retrieval possible, but not effortless. If you flush it down the toilet while you're craving hard, you won't be doing yourself any favours. And you probably will end up scoring again, and sucking greedily at the aluminium nipple; till before you know it, it's all gone and you're back to square one again -- and all the suffering you've been through up to this point will be wasted long after you aren't anymore.

But the prospect of a hit some vague, unspecified time in the future can act as a kind of safety net to help you psychologically through the withdrawals, even if you never end up actually taking it. Because you are going to reach a point where you think, f**k this -- I'm really not getting any better. I need gear now! And the thought that some might be had, for a little effort, will help calm you down. While your body is getting its chemical balance back in order, you need to be giving your mind the easiest ride you can. In the best case, you will be able to kid yourself long enough to get over the hump. Nights 4 and 5 will feel a little bit better. And by night six or seven, you might even experience what I call "The False Stone" -- the effects of your body overshooting slightly with the natural pain-relieving hormones that opioids mimic so deliciously.

Really interesting suggestion, thanks for that Julie. I am determined enough not to go into severe withdrawal at present that I've gone ahead with ordering it, but even with the will power and desperation of my situation I am not naive enough to think having gear in my posession and not just resorting to using at will be some easily achievable task. I think I will inded go down the hide it out of arms reach/give to a friend route. I am lucky enough to have one person that lives nearby that I might be able to entrust with the task.

:)

EDIT: Dropping my DHC dosage again to 75mg and have held off taking it, I am aiming to hold off till about 11 at which point I'll take it with 10 or 20mg diazepam. Getting a bit edgy that if I don't manage to get my hands on this package tomorrow, I'll be down to about a 2 day supply of DHC, 3 at a push if I'm really conservative with the doses. Then it'll be the full onslought...
 
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Well, I've ridden that cycle enough times myself to know what it's like.

The parts of withdrawal that are in the mind are only as severe as you let them be. If you think you are going to suffer, you will suffer. If you are thinking Well, it can't be all that bad, it won't be all that bad. Take a walk at least once a day; fresh air and exercise are important. Pets help. A dog with the walking, obviously; but a cat, or even a gerbil needs looking after, which gives you something to think about, and you can talk to animals about anything. And if you do get thirsty enough to have to break open the emergency bottle of water, sip it, don't gulp it, if you get what I'm saying .....
 
Well, I've ridden that cycle enough times myself to know what it's like.

The parts of withdrawal that are in the mind are only as severe as you let them be. If you think you are going to suffer, you will suffer. If you are thinking Well, it can't be all that bad, it won't be all that bad. Take a walk at least once a day; fresh air and exercise are important. Pets help. A dog with the walking, obviously; but a cat, or even a gerbil needs looking after, which gives you something to think about, and you can talk to animals about anything. And if you do get thirsty enough to have to break open the emergency bottle of water, sip it, don't gulp it, if you get what I'm saying .....

Yep, I'm very thankful that I'm pretty preoccupied with this project at the moment. It has given me something to focus on, and even better I have the motivation to focus on it intently. It's unfortunate that the weather has been crap here the last couple of days, sitting in the sun really helped last time when the going really got tough.

I also think the fact that I've remained just about well enough to eat and sleep has benefited me a lot. I've been making sure to eat healthy and try to keep a reasonable sleeping pattern so I'm in good shape for if a time comes where I am unable to eat or sleep at all.

I think one of the worst parts of my last opioid experience that doesn't seem to get mentioned much is the constant hunger that compounded over the 5 days or so, yet the second I try to eat anything my stomach starts to majorly complain. At least if I stock up on nutrients before I fast (if it comes to that), I might feel less weak and useless down the line.

EDIT: Unfortunately the only pets I have are some goldfish..... they are kind of cool to watch and I guess I get the pleasure of feeding occasionally
 
I got myself addicted to methadone, went trough a night of hell, i only used a top of the bottle a day tough, so next day bought some loperamide but that didnt fully do the trick, when i added clonazepam withdrawal was mostly gone tough.

Either way i posted many times on the use of dxm for tolerance and withdrawals, with dxm i got withdrawn of benzos and after 5 days still wasnt addicted to methadone, then ran out and after a week addicted to methadone, so now ill experiment with dxm to see wheter it reverses my methadone addiction,

Also please note that dxm only reversed my addiction to benzos for about 85&, there was still some discomfort.
Search my thread on nmda antagonists for tolerance and withdrawal for more info.
 
Spent about an hour and a half hutched over in the rain at the side of my house like some kind of gremlin in the freezing rain waiting for the mail to come so I could swoop in and get that package before my parents could. All we got was some junk mail... Will probably have to repeat the same plan again tomorrow, but at least that's todays most anxiety inducing bit over and done with!!

On the plus side, I've only had 45mg DHC so far today (taken around 12) and I'm feeling absolutely fine... This is also after reducing yesterdays first dose down to 90mg and second to 75mg. Like, literally zero symptoms at the moment? Is this normal/to be expected and I'm not being patient enough? If anything, I feel better than yesterday. I definately feel miles better than the first day with no heroin (2 or 3 days ago) when I was using reasonably large doses of U-47700 all day.

I'm probably just trying to delude myself into thinking "this won't be so bad".... but really this has been a lot easier than I think it should be at this stage.
 
Spent about an hour and a half hutched over in the rain at the side of my house like some kind of gremlin in the freezing rain waiting for the mail to come so I could swoop in and get that package before my parents could. All we got was some junk mail... Will probably have to repeat the same plan again tomorrow, but at least that's todays most anxiety inducing bit over and done with!!

On the plus side, I've only had 45mg DHC so far today (taken around 12) and I'm feeling absolutely fine... This is also after reducing yesterdays first dose down to 90mg and second to 75mg. Like, literally zero symptoms at the moment? Is this normal/to be expected and I'm not being patient enough? If anything, I feel better than yesterday. I definately feel miles better than the first day with no heroin (2 or 3 days ago) when I was using reasonably large doses of U-47700 all day.

I'm probably just trying to delude myself into thinking "this won't be so bad".... but really this has been a lot easier than I think it should be at this stage.

Try taking nothing at all and report back in 3-4 days.....

Unfortunately the situation will be very different...

On another note...2:30 My post arrived.....fuck that Mailmonkey snorting lines of beak in his van!!!!
 
Try taking nothing at all and report back in 3-4 days.....

Unfortunately the situation will be very different...

On another note...2:30 My post arrived.....fuck that Mailmonkey snorting lines of beak in his van!!!!

Ha :)

I'm gonna try and take nothing at all until bedtime, I know this is not at all what you've suggested but I want my beauty sleep 8). Nonetheless, it might be interesting to see how much/if any withdrawal symptoms present themselves in that time. Again, I'm just really surprised by the way things have been going as the day I stopped the butyr-fent, within hours of licking the bag (I remember based on where I was at the time that this was exactly 6 hours afer the last dosage) I started feeling really off, very agitated, temperature regulation gone, dodgy stomach, and worst of all, that hyper-sensitivity. I remember walking to get the bus home from work that night, and my usually cotton soft clothing felt like sandpaper shifting against my skin.

It just surprises me that I've felt basically none of this (besides feeling a bit off on day one of no h), even though I've had periods of over 12 hours between relatively small doses of DHC. And trust me G, I'm not saying this because I doubt you at all, I'm just pointing out my surprise. I think one of the reasons I panicked over this so much and perhaps went a bit heavy handed with the tapering and comfort meds in the first days was because I was expecting something more along the lines of the swift brutality of the b_f. But alas, in something that somewhat resembles your words "YOU CANNOT OUTRUN THE PIPER FOREVER M8".

Out of interest, do you think this swift taper I've been doing is going to have any noticeable impact on the severity of the withdrawals when I do drop off to no opiates? Or am all I really doing (until I can secure a further opiate stash) is delaying the inevitable? [EDIT: I realise the irony of securing this further opiate stash being the epitomy of delaying the inevitable, but I'm talking short term here)

Which at the moment, if I spread out the last of my DHC as I've been doing and don't manage to receive that care package, I predict I could be going full horrible on fathers day... I fucked up last years fathers day with a drug related incident also :( :( :(
 
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If I were you, I'd just stop for a day or two, see what the worst effects are, then go from there.

Earlier you were saying you'd be 'deathly dope sick' and I think that just isn't the case, you're freaking out about it too much!

I recently did a rapid DHC taper, after a week or so dropped off, basically felt nothing. It's not anything like butyr-fent would be.
 
If I were you, I'd just stop for a day or two, see what the worst effects are, then go from there.

Earlier you were saying you'd be 'deathly dope sick' and I think that just isn't the case, you're freaking out about it too much!

I recently did a rapid DHC taper, after a week or so dropped off, basically felt nothing. It's not anything like butyr-fent would be.

Interesting.... OK I might actually be up for trying this. I have diaz for the sleep side of things, and if I'm really struggling I could always have 45-60mg sitting next to my bed (I know that sounds like unnecessary temptation, but I'm at such a dose of DHC that I can't even pretend I might get some recreational benefit).

Out of interest fug, what did your DHC taper look like? At what dosage did you drop off?
 
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